Durant requests a trade

[JRX]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

At some point people will wake up and realize this isn't how a popular league operates.

When a league measures its popularity based on twitter and social media instead of actual attendance and tv ratings it is.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by JRX

If I'm being paid 9 figures it can as dysfunctional as they want. That said the players in the nba all seem to be able to have their cake and eat it too. Why doesn't KD step and be the leader, oh that's right because none of today's players would listen because everyone is getting paid regardless of what they do.

lol, the sheer # and variety of excuses for KD is hilarious... Remember when Wiggins was a 'bust' and on an albatross contract? What happened? He went to a team with good leadership [Curry] and hard workers [Draymond] and then he got to play a very meaningful role on a championship team.

That can't happen with KD as the leader, because he's an emotionally-stunted manchild. Nobody can or will listen to him, even his own friends who burned bridges to get to play with him.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by elontusk1119

KD + Kyrie for AD + Westbrook ... who says no?

Lakers lineup:

LeBron
KD
Kyrie
Melo
Dwight

This lineup won't win #@#@#@#@ lol

[rms13]

Originally Posted by beavers

That is terrible for the Nets. And I doubt KD and Kyrie want to play together at this point.

A week ago KD didn’t want to play anywhere without Kyrie. He started floating the trade idea because BKN didn’t want to give Kyrie an extension. I’m pretty sure they are a package deal. Lakers makes the most sense at this point because why not.

[Dame]

CLEAN SWEEP for the Owners next CBA. Player empowerment, what?



Owners getting ready to smoke that Players Pack.

[apb4]

The return the Nets get is going to be heavily dependent on whether they are willing to trade him anywhere or if it's from a list of Durant's choosing. Durant does not have a no trade clause so in theory they could offer him to the Griz or Pelicans for a massive haul. But if it's only limited to 6-8 teams that Durant wants things get dicey. Teams like the 76ers, Bucks, Heat, Celtics, Suns, Mavs, don't have a star they would want to trade nor do they have draft picks that would be of much value. The Lakers could trade them Davis but they don't have any near draft picks to include. I think it ends up being a few young assets and 4-5 draft picks along with pick swaps.

This is going to be a major test of the player empowerment era. We're going to see what type of stroke a star guy really holds in this case. They could send him to any number of bottom dwellers or undesirable markets for a massive haul but doubt Durant would be on board with that. He likely wants to win now.

[JRX]

They should trade him to the Knicks just to make him deal with the actual NY media.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by apb4

The return the Nets get is going to be heavily dependent on whether they are willing to trade him anywhere or if it's from a list of Durant's choosing. Durant does not have a no trade clause so in theory they could offer him to the Griz or Pelicans for a massive haul. But if it's only limited to 6-8 teams that Durant wants things get dicey. Teams like the 76ers, Bucks, Heat, Celtics, Suns, Mavs, don't have a star they would want to trade nor do they have draft picks that would be of much value. The Lakers could trade them Davis but they don't have any near draft picks to include. I think it ends up being a few young assets and 4-5 draft picks along with pick swaps.

This is going to be a major test of the player empowerment era. We're going to see what type of stroke a star guy really holds in this case. They could send him to any number of bottom dwellers or undesirable markets for a massive haul but doubt Durant would be on board with that. He likely wants to win now.

JJJ out for 4-6 months. Not sure if that helps or hurts KD to Memphis

[beavers]

Everyone else is throwing their #@#@#@#@ trades for their teams, so here is mine>

Portland sends:
Ant Simons
Nas Little
Shaedon Sharpe
Eric Bledsoe
3 FRP

Portland gets:
KD
Seth Curry

Blazers Lineup:
Dame
Curry
KD
Jerami Grant
Nurk

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

Why can’t they trade their 2024 1st? Is their some stipulation I’m missing.

"The Stepien Rule prevents teams from being without first-round picks in consecutive years."

If they were trading 2023 then they couldn't move 2024.

They've already traded 2025 and 2027, 2026 is a swap.

So in addition to the 2023 pick, the next first round pick they could trade is 2029.

[BeastMode27]

Originally Posted by tjforce

"The Stepien Rule prevents teams from being without first-round picks in consecutive years."

If they were trading 2023 then they couldn't move 2024.

They've already traded 2025 and 2027, 2026 is a swap.

So in addition to the 2023 pick, the next first round pick they could trade is 2029.

Thank you. Figured it was something like that.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Seitas

Sure. I’m not discounting KD’s contribution to the rings. He was great. I’m just saying they didn’t need him to win last year. That core has won without him but he hasn’t won anything without them. Durants great, but those are the facts.

I love facts, especially the full contextualized aggregation of them. Some facts to consider about team & opponent strength (measured approximately, not saying exactly) is the Elo ratings.

My guesstimate is that 100 Elo points is roughly equivalent to 10 regular-season wins. So a 1600 Elo team is about 50-win strength, 1700 is about 60-win strength, and the rarefied air at 1800+ is 70-win strength. (There's a similar pattern in NFL football such that each 100 points is roughly equivalent to 2.3 regular-season wins/losses - or at least that's what it was when the schedule was 16 games until recently. Now it's probably around 2.5 wins per 100 Elo points?)

In a recent thread I speculated that the top teams this year, those who went to the Finals, were performing around 60-win strength based on a general eye-test (my eyes, anyway). Turns out both teams were around 1700 Elo.

OTOH my eye test was telling me that the '17 Cavs were at least as good as the '16 Cavs (as of game 7 of the '16 Finals) but this isn't supported by Elo. If the Cavs were "only" 60-win strength at their peak in '17, then GSW might have gotten past them that year but we just won't know what their Elo/strength would have been without KD. With him, they set a Elo record (which would come out to around 77-win strength, which Elo suggests the GSW were as of the '17 Finals). (Of course, "load management" wouldn't justify having the GSW go all-out during the regular season, making 77 regular season wins a moot issue.)

So what's the Elo-strongest team the GSW beat in the Finals, and when they were with KD and without KD? The Cavs were clearly well above 1700 in only one season ('16) and their Elo was virtually matched with GSW's by the end of the '16 Finals. The '19 Raptors went above 1700 in the Finals. The '22 BOS were well above 1700 coming into the Finals but didn't keep that up.

(Compare/contrast with the '90s Bulls Finals opponents: in '91-96 their opponents were all around the 1700 level. In '97-98 the Jazz were around 1750 - surface evidence that those were the Bulls' toughest opponents.)

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

Thank you. Figured it was something like that.

OMG! A civil conversation that came to a friendly resolution.

THIS IS A BLOWOUT FIRST!

I feel like you need to call me an offensive name or something and I need to return the favor or we'll both get banned.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

At some point people will wake up and realize this isn't how a popular league operates.

Thats your opinion.

[KB81]

I don't see KD and KI being together on another team.

I think KD knew he wanted to leave even before the Kyrie dominoes fell the way they did.
Being swept in payoffs and this dude missing so many games had a huge impact on KD.

KB to Heat or Suns would be a great fit. I would prefer to see KD as a Heat. He and Jimmy can be a great duo.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by KB81

I don't see KD and KI being together on another team.

I think KD knew he wanted to leave even before the Kyrie dominoes fell the way they did.
Being swept in payoffs and this dude missing so many games had a huge impact on KD.

KB to Heat or Suns would be a great fit. I would prefer to see KD as a Heat. He and Jimmy can be a great duo.

KD and Kyrie to Heat or Mavs. Vax mandates won’t be as big of an issue so Kyrie potentially doesn’t miss as many games. But I doubt either plays more than 65 games anyway due to load management unless the NBA makes changes to address that issue

[gomiamigo]

KD to 76ers

Nets get:
Tobias Harris
Tyrese Maxey
Thybulle
picks and pick swaps

Nets are reportedly high on Maxey. They can then move Kyrie for more assets. And Tobi who is in his final two seasons.

76ers would have KD, Embiid, Harden, Tucker, Melton, House, Korkmaz, Reed, last year's #1 Springer [only 19], Bassey.

Gonna be interesting wherever he goes!

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

KD to 76ers

Nets get:
Tobias Harris
Tyrese Maxey
Thybulle
picks and pick swaps

Nets are reportedly high on Maxey. They can then move Kyrie for more assets. And Tobi who is in his final two seasons.

76ers would have KD, Embiid, Harden, Tucker, Melton, House, Korkmaz, Reed, last year's #1 Springer [only 19], Bassey.

Gonna be interesting wherever he goes!

Obviously Tobi for more assets isn't a very easy thing to do. He'd be a negative in that trade for the Nets.

[I only pull for]

They should dump him in Charlotte or Minnesota just to humble that gigantic ego.

[GOATcards]

so I guess we can't keep straight whether KD wants to play with Kyrie or not.

If he does want to stay with Kyrie, then maybe his franchise-building-related judgment isn't so hot and that could be held against him in some way (like with Bron bringing in RW to LAL). Kyrie has proven himself to be unreliable and basically a cancer in the franchise-building dept.

[Boo]

Stop with the AD for KD crap, you look like you’re clueless.

[clocsta2323]

Everyone who has posted in the past 20 minutes is precisely why the NBA will always attract total idiots.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Everyone who has posted in the past 20 minutes is precisely why the NBA will always attract total idiots.

I don't get it.

Idiots tune into the NBA to come to see what Boo, GOATCards, and "I only pull for" have to say?

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Doesn't Kyrie staying answer the question?

The guy he specifically teamed up with? No...

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by tjforce

OMG! A civil conversation that came to a friendly resolution.

THIS IS A BLOWOUT FIRST!

I feel like you need to call me an offensive name or something and I need to return the favor or we'll both get banned.

Stupid post. No statement was made to disagree with, guy who clearly doesn't know how things work asked a question and rather than looking it up for himself, you finally answered him. So he thanked you. Not sure why you'd expect any animosity about that...