Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[Woodsy074]

Originally Posted by pip

Huh? Grades aren't assigned to packs in PSA holders? Unless it's a vintage pack and is severely damaged ("authentic"), they almost universally are given a numerical grade by Steve Hart on behalf of PSA.

No. Think there is a lot of bad info on pack grading circulating everywhere and echo chambers are amplifying it. Steve’s role is to look at and say whether the pack is real / not tampered with. Once they get the ok from him, PSA grades the pack and slabs it. Steve has no input on the final grade.

PSA’s R&ID department is identifying the packs when they are sent. If Steve disagrees with what they are telling him (ie 81 Topps Football in a 1979 wrapper), he will point it out or he has pointed out star packs which may have been missed by the submitter. If he is getting 10 Pokémon packs, he is most likely relying on PSA to tell him what they are. He is certainly capable of finding reglued or resealed packs. Sure things are missed but venture to guess the amount of bad packs is no worse on a % basis to the number of cards.

The case authentication is a whole different animal.

[unclemonkey]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Its a bit of egg on their face, but they do state that they arent TCG experts. I do find the practice of opening a case and checking to see if the boxes are intact and then sealing it up to be a bit odd.

^^^^^^ what he said.

I never grade a coin or card without having made a self taught expert opinion.

Granted this is another league of collecting, but I have made thousands on mistakes made by PCGS graders.

The card side of the house suffers from greed and schcaniery as well.

We all know this... and Paul wanted to believe.

[hermanotarjeta]

As long as bbce wrapping brings a premium, people will continue to pay for the service and buy, no matter how inaccurate they are.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by pip

No, jibberish. As in a totally made up language that makes no sense to others. To wit, your previous post.

You are quite right. Authentication fails often or at least it seems to. But it rarely involves $3.5 million cases. Of that, there is no prior history; so to suggest that by studying history we can apply what we have learned to the current situation is complete jibberish.

No, gibberish.

Ok. I’ll tell you what. I’ll make you a wager. One year from today BBCE will still be the #1 authenticator of wax boxes and cases.

We can bet a sealed box of whatever from BBCE.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

No, gibberish.

Ok. I’ll tell you what. I’ll make you a wager. One year from today BBCE will still be the #1 authenticator of wax boxes and cases.

We can bet a sealed box of whatever from BBCE.

Sure, who are the alternatives

[Woodsy074]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Sure, who are the alternatives

Kurt Christensen at RVP is probably #2. Think of him as the SGC of the wrapped box world. I would trust anything in his wrap and you can usually pick it up at a discount to BBCE.

Personally no experience with OPC Baseball Cards but know their service is also accepted within unopened circles. Think they are based out of Texas somewhere.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

No, gibberish.

Ok. I’ll tell you what. I’ll make you a wager. One year from today BBCE will still be the #1 authenticator of wax boxes and cases.

We can bet a sealed box of whatever from BBCE.

That would be a totally pointless bet without the Pokemon case being opened as there continue to be some that are pushing its authenticity, mostly due to their direct involvement or own personal benefit.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by pip

Huh? Grades aren't assigned to packs in PSA holders? Unless it's a vintage pack and is severely damaged ("authentic"), they almost universally are given a numerical grade by Steve Hart on behalf of PSA.

Originally Posted by Woodsy074

No. Think there is a lot of bad info on pack grading circulating everywhere and echo chambers are amplifying it. Steve’s role is to look at and say whether the pack is real / not tampered with. Once they get the ok from him, PSA grades the pack and slabs it. Steve has no input on the final grade.

At least we are being informed and educated here on the process of pack grading.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Woodsy074

No. Think there is a lot of bad info on pack grading circulating everywhere and echo chambers are amplifying it. Steve’s role is to look at and say whether the pack is real / not tampered with. Once they get the ok from him, PSA grades the pack and slabs it. Steve has no input on the final grade.

PSA’s R&ID department is identifying the packs when they are sent. If Steve disagrees with what they are telling him (ie 81 Topps Football in a 1979 wrapper), he will point it out or he has pointed out star packs which may have been missed by the submitter. If he is getting 10 Pokémon packs, he is most likely relying on PSA to tell him what they are. He is certainly capable of finding reglued or resealed packs. Sure things are missed but venture to guess the amount of bad packs is no worse on a % basis to the number of cards.

The case authentication is a whole different animal.

I didn't know that Steve had absolutely no input on pack grades. So who are the actual graders? The same people who grade the cards?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Meaning, we just look for Stop Tape which can be purchased pretty much anywhere and you are good

My God, the level of incompetence here is mindboggling for a company that is so highly regarded in the industry.

I take it you know the process that BBCE uses to identify original factory sealed cases? Even then, there is a finite amount of steps to do that. Sure, they likely f*cked up with the Pokemon case but its clear there was more done than just looking at the tape...not enough but definitely more.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I take it you know the process that BBCE uses to identify original factory sealed cases? Even then, there is a finite amount of steps to do that. Sure, they likely f*cked up with the Pokemon case but its clear there was more done than just looking at the tape...not enough but definitely more.

It is? What else did they look at because pretty much everything else (including the stop tape) is completely wrong.

[KhalDrogo]

BBCE will survive. But I certainly wouldn’t trust any PSA graded Pokemon pack.

[Baseball4life90]

So, apparently the case is a fake..��

[pip]

Originally Posted by Baseball4life90

So, apparently the case is a fake..��

Yes. A pair of videos discussing it will be posted tomorrow.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Baseball4life90

So, apparently the case is a fake..��

What a joke. Have to imagine they have missed many other issues with things they have wrapped, especially cases, as well. Greed got the best of em...

[grade]

Pokemon takes down BBCE. LOL

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by grade

Pokemon takes down BBCE. LOL

Along with greed and arrogance.

[CanadianKid]

Does PSA care, is the money too good to axe them? Its not like they can turn things around tomorrow and become experts you can trust. Too much funny business with them according to leaked info.

[grade]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Along with greed and arrogance.

That Motorcycle helped .

[pip]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Does PSA care, is the money too good to axe them? Its not like they can turn things around tomorrow and become experts you can trust. Too much funny business with them according to leaked info.

You shouldn't authenticate what you don't know. SGC ended its autograph division after it authenticated a smack of bogus "autographed" T206s. Maybe it's time for PSA to cut loose its Pokemon authentication/grading division until they figure out what the hell they're doing.

My gut feeling is that the problem here isn't just due to inexperience though. I think it is a failure in protocol. Too much weight was given to the opinions of compromised "experts" and lucrative authentication fees and not enough attention was directed to the actual task of authentication.

If this doesn't prove that BBCE can be compromised, I don't know what does.

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by pip

You shouldn't authenticate what you don't know. SGC ended its autograph division after it authenticated a smack of bogus "autographed" T206s. Maybe it's time for PSA to cut loose its Pokemon authentication/grading division until they figure out what the hell they're doing.

My gut feeling is that the problem here isn't just due to inexperience though. I think it is a failure in protocol. Too much weight was given to the opinions of compromised "experts" and lucrative authentication fees and not enough attention was directed to the actual task of authentication.

If this doesn't prove that BBCE can be compromised, I don't know what does.

Well said.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by grade

Pokemon takes down BBCE. LOL

Good luck with that.

Will not effect them.

I deal in their sealed sports boxes and they keep on going up!

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Does PSA care, is the money too good to axe them? Its not like they can turn things around tomorrow and become experts you can trust. Too much funny business with them according to leaked info.

They do not.

[grade]

Originally Posted by vthobby

Good luck with that.

Will not effect them.

I deal in their sealed sports boxes and they keep on going up!

Main thing is you happy with what you got wrapped by BBCE. that is all that matter.

[sbfinley]

So much wrong here. Just use the term “balderdash” you amateurs.