Simone Biles - Page 8

cnewby · 08-03-2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmmmm.

The oncologist cited here would make you believe the odds for Mancini's survival were ~70%. In addition, I believe Mancini took on six months of chemotherapy. So let's see here, we have the prognosis, we have six months of chemo.

And we have Simone, who got "The Twisties".

ESPY vote will be close I reckon.

I've heard the survival rate for "the twisties" is quite high.

NeedChapmans · 08-03-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

I've heard the survival rate for "the twisties" is quite high.

I'm kind of at a loss that Stu believes stage three colon cancer has "microscopic odds" of killing someone.

My hope is that he's incredibly misinformed.

Ray27Ray52 · 08-03-2021, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

As for Mancini, we fawn over his story where he courageously battles a cancer that had microscopic odds to defeat him.

Both stories are either "comeback stories" or simply average, everyday stories of great athletes doing regular things. Living with stuff, dealing with stuff, getting through stuff.

I don't usually comment on these types of things anymore because I'm mainly here for the lols and the fantasy baseball threads but wow wow wow.

There is no comparison between attempting to survive cancer and someone who can't figure out how to land a flip. Shameful sir. Just shameful.

marl1220 · 08-03-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Like you, I wish Biles would have gone up there and given it the old LaRusso try. Aching, cautious, wobbling and finally gaining the strength to give the crane kick it's lone shot to defeat Johnny Lawrence. She didn't and Mr. Miyagi clearly must have lied when he told her "if come from inside you, always right one."

As for Mancini, we fawn over his story where he courageously battles a cancer that had microscopic odds to defeat him.

Both stories are either "comeback stories" or simply average, everyday stories of great athletes doing regular things. Living with stuff, dealing with stuff, getting through stuff.

I am not calling YOU stupid, but this is one monumentally stupid comment.

sportzluvr1 · 08-03-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Like you, I wish Biles would have gone up there and given it the old LaRusso try. Aching, cautious, wobbling and finally gaining the strength to give the crane kick it's lone shot to defeat Johnny Lawrence. She didn't and Mr. Miyagi clearly must have lied when he told her "if come from inside you, always right one."

As for Mancini, we fawn over his story where he courageously battles a cancer that had microscopic odds to defeat him.

Both stories are either "comeback stories" or simply average, everyday stories of great athletes doing regular things. Living with stuff, dealing with stuff, getting through stuff.

Holy hell blowout. This is next level dumb.

May even warrant a free vacay.

discostu · 08-03-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmmmm.

The oncologist cited here would make you believe the odds for Mancini's survival were ~70%. In addition, I believe Mancini took on six months of chemotherapy. So let's see here, we have the prognosis, we have six months of chemo.

And we have Simone, who got "The Twisties".

ESPY vote will be close I reckon.

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm kind of at a loss that Stu believes stage three colon cancer has "microscopic odds" of killing someone.

My hope is that he's incredibly misinformed.

For someone who routinely went after others for quoting overall mortality rates of Covid and broke them down into the granular...here you choose to do the opposite. Run with overall numbers and apply them to an anecdote.

Yes, the survival rate of stage III colon cancer is roughly 70%. But, but, but..why not chase that granular data you love, and find that rate for 27 year olds? Continue then to argue the minutia here like you did previously, take into consideration diet, overall health and general fitness, then report your projection here.

Yes, longer treatments can be indicative of more serious cases, but not always. Some doctors take more aggressive approaches with patients that can handle the treatment. Doctors take everything into consideration, but you know this.

(Yes, "microscopic" was the wrong word, but I wasn't expecting a serious look at what I wrote after the Karate Kid references.)

Mancini was really fortunate that it didn't metastasize.

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I don't usually comment on these types of things anymore because I'm mainly here for the lols and the fantasy baseball threads but wow wow wow.

There is no comparison between attempting to survive cancer and someone who can't figure out how to land a flip. Shameful sir. Just shameful.

We don't have to equate the two, nor did I introduce this silly equivalence. We can indeed look at them as "comeback" stories, or not. But to whine and moan because others celebrate one, and simultaneously herald another seems off.

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Originally Posted by marl1220

I am not calling YOU stupid, but this is one monumentally stupid comment.

Thanks. It means a lot.

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Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

Holy hell blowout. This is next level dumb.

May even warrant a free vacay.

Thoughts and prayers for all levels.

cnewby · 08-03-2021, 02:56 PM

Doubling down! Yessss!!!

coachnip13 · 08-03-2021, 03:00 PM

Does five days out qualify as a comeback story?

rman112 · 08-03-2021, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Does five days out qualify as a comeback story?

Depends if any of the other competitors had cancer.

ssbledsoe · 08-03-2021, 03:37 PM

Have we gotten the appropriate paper work submitted to split this many atoms???

calculusdork · 08-03-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Does five days out qualify as a comeback story?

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Originally Posted by rman112

Depends if any of the other competitors had cancer.

NeedChapmans · 08-03-2021, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

For someone who routinely went after others for quoting overall mortality rates of Covid and broke them down into the granular...here you choose to do the opposite. Run with overall numbers and apply them to an anecdote.

Yes, the survival rate of stage III colon cancer is roughly 70%. But, but, but..why not chase that granular data you love, and find that rate for 27 year olds? Continue then to argue the minutia here like you did previously, take into consideration diet, overall health and general fitness, then report your projection here.

Yes, longer treatments can be indicative of more serious cases, but not always. Some doctors take more aggressive approaches with patients that can handle the treatment. Doctors take everything into consideration, but you know this.

(Yes, "microscopic" was the wrong word, but I wasn't expecting a serious look at what I wrote after the Karate Kid references.)

Mancini was really fortunate that it didn't metastasize.

We don't have to equate the two, nor did I introduce this silly equivalence. We can indeed look at them as "comeback" stories, or not. But to whine and moan because others celebrate one, and simultaneously herald another seems off.

You didn't get a reply to the Karate Kid reference, you received a reply to the serious part of your opinion.

And outside of your admission that microscopic was the wrong word, the rest of the response above is simply untrue. You did in fact equate Biles and Mancini when you wrote ...

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Originally Posted by discostu

Both stories are either "comeback stories" or simply average, everyday stories of great athletes doing regular things. Living with stuff, dealing with stuff, getting through stuff.

Both stories. Equal. You see?

In addition, it is not I but you that need to back up your claim that Mancini did not face anything daunting. You're the guy who needs to show that 27-year old men who are diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer have an easy time of it. I didn't make that claim ... you did.

So, have at it. Defend your position that Mancini's diagnosis wasn't bad at all. "Just an athelete doing a regular thing".

no10pin · 08-03-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Like you, I wish Biles would have gone up there and given it the old LaRusso try. Aching, cautious, wobbling and finally gaining the strength to give the crane kick it's lone shot to defeat Johnny Lawrence. She didn't and Mr. Miyagi clearly must have lied when he told her "if come from inside you, always right one."

As for Mancini, we fawn over his story where he courageously battles a cancer that had microscopic odds to defeat him.

Both stories are either "comeback stories" or simply average, everyday stories of great athletes doing regular things. Living with stuff, dealing with stuff, getting through stuff.

Ray27Ray52 · 08-03-2021, 05:29 PM

Well that's exactly the type of answer I figured. I don't even know why I bother Blowouting anymore. Is it really so difficult for people to say "you know what, I said something really stupid, my bad."

discostu · 08-03-2021, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You didn't get a reply to the Karate Kid reference, you received a reply to the serious part of your opinion.

And outside of your admission that microscopic was the wrong word, the rest of the response above is simply untrue. You did in fact equate Biles and Mancini when you wrote ...

Both stories. Equal. You see?

In addition, it is not I but you that need to back up your claim that Mancini did not face anything daunting. You're the guy who needs to show that 27-year old men who are diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer have an easy time of it. I didn't make that claim ... you did.

So, have at it. Defend your position that Mancini's diagnosis wasn't bad at all. "Just an athelete doing a regular thing".

When sarcasm is followed by hyperbole it clearly should be dealt with seriously.

As for the equivalence that you brought to this clown show, is overcoming cancer different than overcoming the twisties? Of course, but that's not the question at hand.

Is either a "comeback?" To me, they either both are, or neither are. And I'm not sure why they need to be labelled as such. I wouldn't classify the million plus Americans who overcome cancer each year as having a "comeback," I'd consider them survivors.

These are nice stories that the media sews into our societal fabric, "feel good" stories. Perhaps nothing truly remarkable, but we embrace them. Most of them. Some we do not. Why? Not sure.

Regarding Mancini's cancer diagnosis, in a way, I'm a bit nonchalant about cancer. Arguably awkward, with my family history, I'm not looking at cancer the way that most people look at cancer.

asujbl · 08-03-2021, 05:33 PM

This thread got weird

TheFrenzy · 08-03-2021, 05:46 PM

The weirdest part is that user wasn't playing up Biles' accomplishment and placing it on par with beating cancer—they were downplaying cancer as being on par with a gymnastics meme.

discostu · 08-03-2021, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The weirdest part is that user wasn't playing up Biles' accomplishment and placing it on par with beating cancer—they were downplaying cancer as being on par with a gymnastics meme.

Or maybe, just maybe, they were downplaying the notion of "comebacks" as a whole.

Crazy.

NeedChapmans · 08-03-2021, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Or maybe, just maybe, they were downplaying the notion of "comebacks" as a whole.

Crazy.

Chess.

Amazing game. During play, when someone believes they are in a losing position without any reasonable path to victory, there is an expectation that they resign. To most, it is both a sign of disrespect and of cowardice to play out what both players (and the audience, if there is one) knows to be a foregone conclusion. Common practice.

That said, there are some players, grandmasters even (not many, but some), who refuse to do this and make every possible move until there are no more moves to make. Even though they recognize that they've played a poor match, they fight to the end either because they have hope their opponent will make a gross error, or they are simply too proud to admit defeat until it is etched in stone.

Do you play Stu?

oldgoldy97 · 08-03-2021, 06:15 PM

Bernie Kosar played on a broken ankle.

jdandns · 08-03-2021, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

Holy hell blowout. This is next level dumb.

May even warrant a free vacay.

It does not.

discostu · 08-03-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Chess.

Amazing game. During play, when someone believes they are in a losing position without any reasonable path to victory, there is an expectation that they resign. To most, it is both a sign of disrespect and of cowardice to play out what both players (and the audience, if there is one) knows to be a foregone conclusion. Common practice.

That said, there are some players, grandmasters even (not many, but some), who refuse to do this and make every possible move until there are no more moves to make. Even though they recognize that they've played a poor match, they fight to the end either because they have hope their opponent will make a gross error, or they are simply too proud to admit defeat until it is etched in stone.

Do you play Stu?

Allegorically? Yes.

But that's obvious.

coachnip13 · 08-03-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

Is either a "comeback?" To me, they either both are, or neither are. And I'm not sure why they need to be labelled as such. I wouldn't classify the million plus Americans who overcome cancer each year as having a "comeback," I'd consider them survivors.

In the most bizarre fashion, you're still treating them as being equal. One person, in your words, is a "survivor". That seems like a pretty big deal. Someone had a condition that could have killed them, but they survived and were able to get back to their profession.

Somehow, though, you question if that is a "comeback", and you think it is the same as a gymnast getting the yips and then getting over it in less than a week.

NeedChapmans · 08-03-2021, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

These are nice stories that the media sews into our societal fabric, "feel good" stories. Perhaps nothing truly remarkable, but we embrace them. Most of them. Some we do not. Why? Not sure.

Well some of them are inspirational. You see, if you or I or someone else were diagnosed with the same ailment, we can see first hand that there is treatment, that it is beatable and that we can do what we love again, hopefully as successfully as Mancini. Using powerful anecdotes / stories / successes like this is a very good thing for society IMHO. It shows that no matter what you may feel or think or believe, there is someone right over here that was in your very shoes, who has won. I can too.

These are more than "feel good" stories. They're do good stories and be good stories. They're motivation for doubts and fears. They are, to be quite honest, the antithesis of what the Simone Biles story is. And to group them together in any way, as I stated in my very first reply to you, denigrates everything Mancini was able to overcome.

And that's not good for anyone.

blackbears86 · 08-03-2021, 08:13 PM

discostu:

You seem like a nice guy, some insightful posts over the years for sure.

but just this once, it's time to say: "I apologize for my ridiculous comment"

or, you can keep defending your position.

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