Where does Ben Simmons go next?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by rustywest

I actually think the funny thing is the lengths you go to defend Ben Simmons. You have a whole bunch of his cards? I get it to a certain extent because I defend my favorite player Westbrook vs irrational hatred and ignorance but I don't see that here with Simmons.

The problem with big Ben is he REFUSES to shoot. Won't shoot, Can't shoot. A basketball player who refuses to shoot is an outrageous concept and its unacceptable ESPECIALLY in today's game. Sure, back in the day it was okay to have specialist rebounders etc. but a guard who refuses to shoot? Forget about it. Paying a guy 33+ Mill and increasing who won't shoot is INSANE, or can't step up with the ballsacks when his teams needs it. Its ludicrous and its a similar dilemma as Gobert in Utah...

And that's exactly why Brogdon is ALOT closer to Simmons than you think. I can understand rejecting the trade due to durability concerns but its pretty fair for mine. It seems like you are dismissing Brogdon's talent, for a guy so into stats, you would see he has improved every year. The closeout games you've posted really don't prove anything one way or another, I'd expect better from you to be honest. Its a bit more complex than that.

Brogdon can shoot the basketball - 3 pointers, mid-range & an excellent free throw shooter. He is a fearless and confident player. He doesn't crater the offense in half-court sets and you can't sag off him creating a 4 on 5 situation that puts HUGE pressures on the others to create. He doesn't shy away from contact, and he is a huge/strong guard comparatively to other NBA guards. Just about as big and strong of a replacement for Ben you might ever get... These are enormous pluses that even out Ben's superior D, transition and passing game. Remember, playoff's, transition and passing from Ben can be negated a GREAT DEAL...

You don't want to harp on about it but Ben's Mental state is the biggest red flag and if the 76ers are confident they can get him help then that's great. Obviously that's going to be something we aren't privy too but I wouldn't role the dice on that from a 76er standpoint considering your wasting Embiid's dominance and when things slow in the playoffs and we get into half-court again in 7 game series what's gonna happen? Trading him for a lesser player without mental issues and some future assets (OR MY ANGLE WOULD BE) for an older player is a win-win if you have Championship aspirations.

Morey rejecting the trade makes perfect sense and I would've done the same because you gauge and you can probably revisit it but dismissing it as a laughable mismatch is bias. That was prob more the other poster who doesn't really warrant engagement but you have taken the role of the Simmons guy and posting some closeout games from Brogdon was fairly disingenuous surely.

I didn't read your whole thing, but I'd say that Ben Simmons makes up maybe 1% of my entire collection value. I easily have 10x more tied into Trae than I do Ben.

Brogdon is 28. Ben 24. Let's list their career accolades side by side:

Ben:
1 Rookie of the Year
3 Time All Star
2 1st Team All Defense
1 3rd Team All NBA

Brogdon:
1 Rookie of the Year


That's it. And what makes this argument even more asinine is when you compare Playoff per game stats, Brogdon is worse in almost every major category:

Points: Ben 13.9, Brogdon 12.2
Shooting %: Ben 57%, Brogdon 42%
Rebounds: Ben 8.1, Brogdon 4.2
Assists: Ben 7.5, Brogdon 4.3
Steals: Ben 1.4, Brogdon 0.5
Blocks: Ben 0.9, Brogdon 0.1


But I'll give you one thing you said... Brogdon shoots the ball more in the Playoffs:

Shots: Ben 9.9, Brogdon 10.5!!!


So there you go.... you are giving up points, shooting #, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in exchange for 0.6 shots per game (Made at a much lower clip).

I'm not saying Ben is amazing, but he sure is a lot better than Brogdon.

[rustywest]

You won't read my whole thing? Goodbye

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by rustywest

You won't read my whole thing? Goodbye

I skimmed over it to get the gist....

Saying it's a sports card angle right off the bat was off base.....I tend to root for teams and players with my heart and not my sports card net worth.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I skimmed over it to get the gist....

Saying it's a sports card angle right off the bat was off base.....I tend to root for teams and players with my heart and not my sports card net worth.

I got a sentence in too.

But you've already proved how awful a take that was. Brogdon and a pick. Just lol.

Like I've said, Morey can be patient here. Philly would only make a deal that is going to make them better. I think Lillard would be goal number 1. But he is highly wanted. Maybe Beal.

But then how much does your defense suffer.

Let's not act like Embiid and Tobias were so amazing and Simmons was the black sheep that cost them.

But I do think it's time for a change. I still like the talk of Simmons and KAT partnering up. He'd be perfect on a team without the expectation of contending.

[rustywest]

^^ It comes as no surprise that you can't read more than a sentence or two. An awful take? My word there are some dummies on this site. You are are living in a fantasy land, Lillard or Beal for Simmons you won't come close to that value. I'm entirely realistic and you call my post 'awful'.

RealGM > Blowout Basketball

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

No surprise Morey turned down a guy who's not as good, always hurt & a pick.

Best trade is probably a 3-teamer:
Ben to GSW
Wiseman and 2 lotto picks to WAS [7 and 14]
Beal to PHL

All 3 teams get better.

PHL gets the guard they need.
GSW becomes an instant Finals contender again and awesome on D.
WAS gets a real center who was #2 last year, and a chance to rebuild with the 7, 14, 15 picks.

Wiseman is an important piece in next season's Championship run when Klay gets back. I am trying to envision a team with Curry,Klay,Draymond and Ben out there though.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by rustywest

^^ It comes as no surprise that you can't read more than a sentence or two. An awful take? My word there are some dummies on this site. You are are living in a fantasy land, Lillard or Beal for Simmons you won't come close to that value. I'm entirely realistic and you call my post 'awful'.

RealGM > Blowout Basketball

To be fair we also have people saying Brogdan is better than Simmons.

At a certain point “bad takes” are “idiotic rants”.

And I read your whole post

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

To be fair we also have people saying Brogdan is better than Simmons.

At a certain point “bad takes” are “idiotic rants”.

And I read your whole post

So are you are saying my post was an idiotic rant? I never said Brogdon was 'better' than Simmons. Clearly though I'm in a position to be more objective than some posters regarding trade value...

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by rustywest

So are you are saying my post was an idiotic rant? I never said Brogdon was 'better' than Simmons. Clearly though I'm in a position to be more objective than some posters regarding trade value...

Um, no, I’m not saying that at all. Good analysis gets lumped in with idiotic rants. There’s more dumb stuff said on here than smart and people ignore good ones because they have personal issues with certain posters.

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Um, no, I’m not saying that at all. Good analysis gets lumped in with idiotic rants. There’s more dumb stuff said on here than smart and people ignore good ones because they have personal issues with certain posters.

Ok, gotcha. You do speak the truth. Esp the personal issues part - there are a couple of guys who automatically rubbish my posts no matter what the content.

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Wiseman is an important piece in next season's Championship run when Klay gets back. I am trying to envision a team with Curry,Klay,Draymond and Ben out there though.

Me old mate!!! Wondering when you might show up. I already taught you how to game-plan against Simmons, remember?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Um, no, I’m not saying that at all. Good analysis gets lumped in with idiotic rants. There’s more dumb stuff said on here than smart and people ignore good ones because they have personal issues with certain posters.

You had it right with the idiotic rant call.

100%

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I was at the Jersey shore in a place with limited 'net access. Prob for the best.

How convenient that you had no internet from the moment the Sixers were eliminated until the moment the Hawks were eliminated... You damn clown.

Everyone with forever remember how gutless you are.



As for the topic, Simmons on the Lakers would be huge, especially if they fill the other two spots in the lineup with deadeye shooters.

[Mahomescards777]

He will come to LA

[rman112]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Um, no, I’m not saying that at all. Good analysis gets lumped in with idiotic rants. There’s more dumb stuff said on here than smart and people ignore good ones because they have personal issues with certain posters.

This is true, goldy.

[tjforce]

I mean, he's no Malcolm Brogdon, but seems as if he still has some value

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ben-sim...132252907.html

[oldgoldy97]

So just Ben and Maxey for Brogdon instead of Ben, Maxey and a first rounder.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

So just Ben and Maxey for Brogdon instead of Ben, Maxey and a first rounder.

Woah woah... let's not go that far....

Ben, Maxey, and a protected 1st rounder.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I got a sentence in too.

But you've already proved how awful a take that was. Brogdon and a pick. Just lol.

Like I've said, Morey can be patient here. Philly would only make a deal that is going to make them better. I think Lillard would be goal number 1. But he is highly wanted. Maybe Beal.

But then how much does your defense suffer.

Let's not act like Embiid and Tobias were so amazing and Simmons was the black sheep that cost them.

Embiid was pretty amazing on one leg and did put up 30+/10+ in a ~100pt score game. Tobias was just terrible G5 and G7. If he made more than 2 buckets in all of G5, that series ends in 6.

Lillard is doable [with all the other players/picks named] if he wants out, Beal is more likely, LaVine is probably the lowest he'll go [and a player/pick to make salaries match].

An intriguing deal would be if Kawhi wants rid of Pandemic P and they do a sign and trade for Simmons. Ben doesn't have to worry about closing games, PHL gets a guard that also has playoff baggage but who defends much better than Beal/Dame. There are certainly rumors Kawhi is tired of him for whatever reasons, who knows though.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Woah woah... let's not go that far....

Ben, Maxey, and a protected 1st rounder.

Do we get Brogdon with or without his ACLs? Ben, Maxey, Thybulle and two firsts for TJ and Brogdon, my final offer.

Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have any to bring.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by rustywest

^^ It comes as no surprise that you can't read more than a sentence or two. An awful take? My word there are some dummies on this site. You are are living in a fantasy land, Lillard or Beal for Simmons

Evidently you're the dummy that doesn't read more than a sentence or two because literally no one has said Lillard for Simmons even swap.

But maybe POR prefers to go out in the first round for the 5th time in 6 years by not changing their roster.

They've won a grand total of ELEVEN [11] playoff games in their past 5 playoff runs. That's atrocious, the backcourt of Dame and CJ can never, ever win anything.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Embiid was pretty amazing on one leg and did put up 30+/10+ in a ~100pt score game. Tobias was just terrible G5 and G7. If he made more than 2 buckets in all of G5, that series ends in 6.

Lillard is doable [with all the other players/picks named] if he wants out, Beal is more likely, LaVine is probably the lowest he'll go [and a player/pick to make salaries match].

An intriguing deal would be if Kawhi wants rid of Pandemic P and they do a sign and trade for Simmons. Ben doesn't have to worry about closing games, PHL gets a guard that also has playoff baggage but who defends much better than Beal/Dame. There are certainly rumors Kawhi is tired of him for whatever reasons, who knows though.

Embiid did his job. But they needed him to be totally dominant. Even when it was close and still winnable late, his eyes told the story that he had lost belief they were gonna pull it out. He's still growing too..

Tobias was ummm yeah. Exactly as you said.

Man Maxey gave them great energy and should get more mins.

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Evidently you're the dummy that doesn't read more than a sentence or two because literally no one has said Lillard for Simmons even swap.

But maybe POR prefers to go out in the first round for the 5th time in 6 years by not changing their roster.

They've won a grand total of ELEVEN [11] playoff games in their past 5 playoff runs. That's atrocious, the backcourt of Dame and CJ can never, ever win anything.

Haha. Thank you for pointing that out. I am not going to waste my time with plebs that run pn hyperbole and garbage that nobody has even said, it's pretty hilarious. Water off a ducks back..plus I think New Zealand only just got the internet so their people are still figuring out how to converse respectfull online.

For me I think Philly should do what it takes to get Lillard. But I think POR wouls want to tank if they traded Lillard surely? Unless a 3rd team comes in.

It would be hard for them to go from Lillard to Simmons unless they got another really nice piece back.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Embiid did his job. But they needed him to be totally dominant. Even when it was close and still winnable late, his eyes told the story that he had lost belief they were gonna pull it out. He's still growing too..

Tobias was ummm yeah. Exactly as you said.

Man Maxey gave them great energy and should get more mins.



Haha. Thank you for pointing that out. I am not going to waste my time with plebs that run pn hyperbole and garbage that nobody has even said, it's pretty hilarious. Water off a ducks back..plus I think New Zealand only just got the internet so their people are still figuring out how to converse respectfull online.

For me I think Philly should do what it takes to get Lillard. But I think POR wouls want to tank if they traded Lillard surely? Unless a 3rd team comes in.

It would be hard for them to go from Lillard to Simmons unless they got another really nice piece back.

I think Philly would have to offer the godfather package to get Lillard.

Lillard for Simmons straight up doesn't do anything to make Portland a contenders, now or down the road.

Now, something like:
Simmons
Maxey
Thybulle
2 First round picks

Might be enough ammo to make the consider it. That way they could decide if they want to ship guys like McCullum and go full on reset, or if they want to move some more pieces around to get competitive sooner.

[threepointplay]

The answer to OPs question is 'London' by the looks of it. He is working on something over here; but it sure ain't his jump shot.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/15498660...ner-wimbledon/

[fabiani12333]

Normally a star player forces his team to trade them and the fans are upset about it; the public and media speculate on where the player will go, which is usually a contender. In this case, the fans and media are agitating for the team to trade the star player and looking for possible teams who would take him; the star player's team is already a contender but could improve by trading the star player.