2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rman112]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapol...e-george-floyd

Here we go.

Jesus Christ. You just had numerous protests that were marred by rioters. And now.. let's get rid if the police.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

The stupidity hurts. It really does. The leftist men in that city might as well just spread their wives and daughters legs wide open, open the front door to their homes, and announce the free for all.

Has no one read clockwork orange? What exactly do these idiots think is going to happen?

Especially since these same people don't believe in guns.

[rman112]

All Trump has to do now is run on the same 'law and order' platform.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

I skimmed it ,might've missed it, but what goals/parts are crazy?

The part about dismantling the nuclear family, the cornerstone of western civilization since its inception.

The embrace me to of all black people except those with other political and mora beliefs, implying that all black lives are equal but some are more equal than others.

For starters.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Especially since these same people don't believe in guns.

The was a quote in there saying "We don't know exactly what a police-free community would look like." Gee. Ya don't say.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

It’s enormously telling that when I posted this morning, most of the posts were about the protests and police brutality. I link to BLM’s webpage and their radical leftist stated goals, and all of the sudden the conversation steers back to Orangeman bad.

I saw that post and the list of protest rules thought it was so absurd that it couldn’t possibly be real. And at the time I was too lazy to look into it. But it’s been posted everywhere and people are actually supporting it.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/po...st/886064.page

I couldn’t make it past post 4:

“As a white woman i have absolutely no issues with this list. It is entirely appropriate. We are warm bodies and our role is to leverage our white skin safety for protecting our fellow citizens.

It’s ok you’re uncomfortable. Run through your biases and where you’re having issues with the list. But also please stay home if you cannot participate in the way you are being asked.”

What. The. F.... Is this real life?

[coltsnsox07]

In Milwaukee they caught 4 guys who were shooting at the police, guess what they all have in common......no, not that, all felons w/ guns!
Charges were issued against these four individuals:

Solomon Austin III, 41
Possession of a firearm by a felon

Donte Gladney, 34
Possession of a firearm by a felon (two counts)
Endangering safety by use of a dangerous weapon (two counts)

Nathan Haynes
Possession of a firearm by an out-of-state felon
Endangering safety by use of a dangerous weapon

Willie Pirtle Jr., 41
Possession of a firearm by a felon
Obstructing an officer
Carrying a concealed weapon
Felony bail jumping (three counts)
Misdemeanor bail jumping

[trixstar]

I really don't see the problem with Minneapolis trying this. If cities and states don't try different things how are things going to change? There are literally ZERO details of what they're going to try and yet everyone is eager to bash it or assume what's going to happen. Democracy is built on local/state/federal policies. Hopefully different cities try different things and we find something that works and can actually make change.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I saw that post and the list of protest rules thought it was so absurd that it couldn’t possibly be real. And at the time I was too lazy to look into it. But it’s been posted everywhere and people are actually supporting it.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/po...st/886064.page

I couldn’t make it past post 4:

“As a white woman i have absolutely no issues with this list. It is entirely appropriate. We are warm bodies and our role is to leverage our white skin safety for protecting our fellow citizens.

It’s ok you’re uncomfortable. Run through your biases and where you’re having issues with the list. But also please stay home if you cannot participate in the way you are being asked.”

What. The. F.... Is this real life?

2020 has been a fantastic year of confusion

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I really don't see the problem with Minneapolis trying this. If cities and states don't try different things how are things going to change? There are literally ZERO details of what they're going to try and yet everyone is eager to bash it or assume what's going to happen. Democracy is built on local/state/federal policies. Hopefully different cities try different things and we find something that works and can actually make change.

Maybe they use the national guard or a private security company? What other options do you have without a police force?

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

The part about dismantling the nuclear family, the cornerstone of western civilization since its inception.

The embrace me to of all black people except those with other political and mora beliefs, implying that all black lives are equal but some are more equal than others.

For starters.

I couldve interpreted it wrong, but what I took from the nuclear family part was to be more supportive/helpful to families that are single parent.

Didnt see the 2nd part on their beliefs.

any others ?

[rman112]

I am interested to see Biden's response. He's not Far Left. Will he cave?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I really don't see the problem with Minneapolis trying this. If cities and states don't try different things how are things going to change? There are literally ZERO details of what they're going to try and yet everyone is eager to bash it or assume what's going to happen. Democracy is built on local/state/federal policies. Hopefully different cities try different things and we find something that works and can actually make change.

Lol..

"This council is going to dismantle the police department", Ellison said.

Seems pretty clear to me. Not exactly "trying different things".

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I really don't see the problem with Minneapolis trying this. If cities and states don't try different things how are things going to change? There are literally ZERO details of what they're going to try and yet everyone is eager to bash it or assume what's going to happen. Democracy is built on local/state/federal policies. Hopefully different cities try different things and we find something that works and can actually make change.

What needs to change?

You can’t make that statement unless you are at least somewhat educated in the law and policing.

I can tell you I’m as conservative as they come and I literally have no agreement with the protestors except that the murder of George Floyd was morally and legally wrong.

I do believe change is needed, but it’s not change any of the Democrats are paying any attention to.

The first is that in any case of police misconduct where there is a civil suit, individual officers AND their direct chain of command(IE Captains and Chiefs) need to personally be held responsible for a percentage of the award. This is the ONLY way you will see all bad cops rooted out.

I think that police need to have less probable cause to stop one. This can be achieved by doing away with some infractions, requiring officers to notify anyone they come in contact with that they don’t have to speak with them, or maybe something I haven’t thought of.

The demand for change has to be somewhat informed and realistic. Disbanding entire departments is not at all realistic and engaging in change for the sake of change doesn’t seem to be a very good idea.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

I couldve interpreted it wrong, but what I took from the nuclear family part was to be more supportive/helpful to families that are single parent.

Didnt see the 2nd part on their beliefs.

any others ?

They listed a whole slew of inclusiveness except for moral and political beliefs.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Maybe they use the national guard or a private security company? What other options do you have without a police force?

Well first off I don't think it means having a zero budget for police so no you're not going to bring in people who aren't actually police officers. I honestly think average police officers do too much as it is anyway. Defund =/- abolish it's basically shifting funds around to other programs that can do things better than police do. Mental health issues are turned over to police, mass homelessness is turned over to the police, issues with kids under 18 are turned over to police. I think it's just shifting money around and creating departments possibly inside police departments or completely on their own that handle things that police currently handle.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by rman112

The was a quote in there saying "We don't know exactly what a police-free community would look like." Gee. Ya don't say.

Yes we do.

Look at the riots. Then imagine if there was no one there to stop them, ever - unless a citizen wants to take action into their owns hands.

Imagine there’s no po-po
It’s easy if you try
Hell all around us
Bullets in the sky

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

What needs to change?

You can’t make that statement unless you are at least somewhat educated in the law and policing.

I can tell you I’m as conservative as they come and I literally have no agreement with the protestors except that the murder of George Floyd was morally and legally wrong.

I do believe change is needed, but it’s not change any of the Democrats are paying any attention to.

The first is that in any case of police misconduct where there is a civil suit, individual officers AND their direct chain of command(IE Captains and Chiefs) need to personally be held responsible for a percentage of the award. This is the ONLY way you will see all bad cops rooted out.

I think that police need to have less probable cause to stop one. This can be achieved by doing away with some infractions, requiring officers to notify anyone they come in contact with that they don’t have to speak with them, or maybe something I haven’t thought of.

The demand for change has to be somewhat informed and realistic. Disbanding entire departments is not at all realistic and engaging in change for the sake of change doesn’t seem to be a very good idea.

Major things I would like to see changed immediately?

Get rid of qualified immunity
End the military equipment going to police departments
Police unions need completely revamped (i have no idea how this happens) but they have far too much influence
Officers cannot face backlash for pointing out corruption/racism/police brutality
There was something I read today about a national database for officers and their offenses

Also what I mentioned in the above post about "defunding" police.

[mike1498]

Do people realize if you defund the police then training will be worse? This is just a stupid idea on all levels. If you want better cops you need more regulations and greater funding. It's almost like the left wants the cops to be at a disadvantage. Defunding the police is not fair to policeman or citizens. Some times people make up stupid policies to try to make a point not realizing the consequences.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

Dishonest math. The actual number of people with each individual view, and the total number of posts by those individual members, are not the same thing.

No, even going by the number of different members who have participated, Trump is heavily favored here.

Originally Posted by rman112

All Trump has to do now is run on the same 'law and order' platform.

Well, sure, if Trump himself wasn't lawless.
He is well characterized by his contempt for the very idea of it.

[trixstar]

Also one of the main problems with fixing any of this si that basically every city and state budget is shot to hell from the lockdown.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Yes we do.

Look at the riots. Then imagine if there was no one there to stop them, ever - unless a citizen wants to take action into their owns hands.

Imagine there’s no po-po
It’s easy if you try
Hell all around us
Bullets in the sky

And this is mere days after those very riots.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

No, even going by the number of different members who have participated, Trump is heavily favored here.


Well, sure, if Trump himself wasn't lawless.
He is well characterized by his contempt for the very idea of it.

How many people have posted in this thread? How many are Trump supporters?

All people are doing is making it easier for him to win. And we still need Biden's take, right? Cave to the mob to get their votes, even though he himself is not Far Left, or no?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Well first off I don't think it means having a zero budget for police so no you're not going to bring in people who aren't actually police officers. I honestly think average police officers do too much as it is anyway. Defund =/- abolish it's basically shifting funds around to other programs that can do things better than police do. Mental health issues are turned over to police, mass homelessness is turned over to the police, issues with kids under 18 are turned over to police. I think it's just shifting money around and creating departments possibly inside police departments or completely on their own that handle things that police currently handle.

Did you miss the exact quote from Ellison?

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Major things I would like to see changed immediately?

Get rid of qualified immunity
End the military equipment going to police departments
Police unions need completely revamped (i have no idea how this happens) but they have far too much influence
Officers cannot face backlash for pointing out corruption/racism/police brutality
There was something I read today about a national database for officers and their offenses

Also what I mentioned in the above post about "defunding" police.

I actually agree with most of this to some extent(much is already implemented) but good luck to getting any Dem politician to support, esp the union part.