Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 781

HeyPanini · 05-29-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Remember the APs were 200-500 ? The good old days.

I have a Koufax Thiele AP and I'm unsure what to do with it!

ctcardexchange · 05-29-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by silverandblack

Does anyone not have Saladeen and Taylor Jeters in hand? I bought a 2 card lot pretty cereal and the seller is saying he is still waiting for them from topps. Seems like bs to me.

They've been out for weeks. I got Ermsy Williams Weds #58

GeechQuest · 05-29-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kobe101

I thought he was going to say if you didn’t get in early don’t over extend yourself now expecting huge profits because there are too many people doing that which isn’t bad advice.

This is what he said though....

Mattsurewood · 05-29-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

people jumping ship on the siff ripken baffles me

They will get gobbled up quickly in the low 3's---great deal (in my mind)...

I can't see that card selling below $5-600 by mid-July, maybe a lot more

mlc3423 · 05-29-2020, 10:11 AM

Quick question for the gang.....As i've mentioned in some of my previous posts i've basically have bought everything at msrp and the margins are wonderful

None the less seeing all these panic sellers unloading stuff for the first time i've actually considering buying some of the older lower numbered pr that i missed cause the price drops are crazy

Houdini had a B/S/T thread on his twitter yesterday and he dropped 10k on older stuff and says he's gonna buy more.....I don't have nearly that kind of coin but i was wondering what sleepers u still see lurking out there?

I've got baller trouts coming on the way along with others from Topps but if they keep dropping or even go under $100 i might have to buy more.....Appreciate the thoughts

The Accountant · 05-29-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Im a little worried that this thing is gonna boom next week and purchases made today wont get honored. these deals are stupid

yup. literally got a chang rivera for 500, that card was 1200 three days ago

Peteybass · 05-29-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

people jumping ship on the siff ripken baffles me

I dont get that either. One of the best in the set and low PR.

silverandblack · 05-29-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Is he still in the range of expected delivery on eBay?

Somehow the expected delivery shows as June 27th

Powell7db · 05-29-2020, 10:12 AM

the math doesn't add up here folks. Baller Trout with 35,000 PR is at $125 and the Thiele Trout with 13,000 PR is at $150. What happens? Baller down or Thiele up?

Peteybass · 05-29-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

yup. literally got a chang rivera for 500, that card was 1200 three days ago

Where? I want another one of those. Thats a great price. Congrats...

cardsforever · 05-29-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

People are competing for the sale.

You have 94 people trying to sell it, and 48 sales this week.

Yes, that is true also. I was observing that last night.

mlc3423 · 05-29-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MCyganik

Just came back from my morning meeting. Looks like all the money being spent is from people on this board buying up panic sellers. Prices aren't going up.

Is it over Johnny?

Game Over Man!

premium1981 · 05-29-2020, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Powell7db

the math doesn't add up here folks. Baller Trout with 35,000 PR is at $125 and the Thiele Trout with 13,000 PR is at $150. What happens? Baller down or Thiele up?

It isn't an even market cap as some like to use an as example. These cards could sell for the exact same amount, even with the print run difference, simply due to the look of the card or the popularity of the artist. Not an even measurement.

EDIT - Also, as an added note, I think the Thiele is ugly.

yanksfan0134 · 05-29-2020, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

You know this big time "investor".... Missed this whole thing...

Its so funny... Suppose to be an expert.... Such a joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befyUQCApgk

As someone whose first P2020 investment was Griffey Shore (sigh), I don’t have anything to gain by the early cards increasing in value drastically, however, I would love nothing more for them to skyrocket so this dude can just shut up.

cardsforever · 05-29-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Powell7db

the math doesn't add up here folks. Baller Trout with 35,000 PR is at $125 and the Thiele Trout with 13,000 PR is at $150. What happens? Baller down or Thiele up?

Crazy freaking market!!!!

The Trout #63 is between $125 and $150 right now and that is approximately 2 weeks from being shipping.

RyanSwinger · 05-29-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Powell7db

the math doesn't add up here folks. Baller Trout with 35,000 PR is at $125 and the Thiele Trout with 13,000 PR is at $150. What happens? Baller down or Thiele up?

My guess- next weeks pump with Blake/Baller/Gary will have new collectors coming in and wanting to collect the Trout set. It will also get sellers reconsidering selling and doing the same. Both will cause values to increase. The Baller card is more susceptible to the casual dump being almost 3x the PR.

My guess is that by next Sunday:
Baller Trout- $250
Thiele Trout- $300

SupermanBrandon · 05-29-2020, 10:18 AM

Doesn't subtract the Artist Autos...

1,065 - 12. Dwight Gooden - Tyson Beck
1,101 - 26. Dwight Gooden - Joshua Vides
1,127 - 56. Mariano Rivera - Oldmanalan
1,131 - 34. Ted Williams - Fucci
1,135 - 2. Sandy Koufax - Jacob Rochester
1,199 - 28. Mark McGwire - Keith Shore
1,205 - 5. Cal Ripken Jr. - Fucci
1,205 - 7. Bob Gibson - Grotesk
1,221 - 14. Rickey Henderson - Joshua Vides
1,227 - 11. George Brett - Gregory Siff
1,268 - 46. Bob Gibson - Sophia Chang
1,302 - 3. Jackie Robinson - Naturel
1,302 - 16. Tony Gwynn - Oldmanalan
1,334 - 1. Ichiro - Ben Baller
1,385 - 9. Ted Williams - JK5
1,441 - 24. Tony Gwynn - Grotesk
1,451 - 54. Bob Gibson - Keith Shore
1,456 - 17. Mark McGwire - Efdot
1,464 - 15. Willie Mays - Andrew Thiele
1,480 - 27. Willie Mays - Efdot
1,480 - 44. Frank Thomas - Jacob Rochester
1,556 - 48. Willie Mays - JK5
1,576 - 20. Cal Ripken Jr. - Jacob Rochester
1,617 - 8. Mariano Rivera - Sophia Chang
1,686 - 13. Don Mattingly - Keith Shore
1,798 - 32. Ichiro - JK5
1,819 - 19. Roberto Clemente - Naturel
1,844 - 10. Roberto Clemente - Mister Cartoon
1,864 - 38. Dwight Gooden - Ermsy
1,910 - 45. Roberto Clemente - Grotesk
1,972 - 22. Ichiro - Ermsy
1,992 - 55. George Brett - Tyson Beck

The Accountant · 05-29-2020, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Peteybass

Where? I want another one of those. Thats a great price. Congrats...

it was an obo. threw it out there expecting a counter but accepted within minutes. im guessing they got in at $20 and were cool with it

Asian62150 · 05-29-2020, 10:19 AM

So a lot of the general public is selling (maybe/probably panic selling) and a lot of the experienced/long time members here are buying stuff...

Hmm...

Howie7107 · 05-29-2020, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Im a little worried that this thing is gonna boom next week and purchases made today wont get honored. these deals are stupid

This is the one thing that got me slowed down buying up a bunch of stuff on eBay yesterday. Most of the honorable sellers are priced well above the market low on every card. Plus who knows how many times the cards have to change hands before you actually have them in hand at this point. I’m happy with what I’ve built up, just a matter of time before we get to the big hill now. Lots of liquidity entering the market today, 1st of the month next week, Gary V, Blake/Baller Trout is going to draw a ton of eyes, and the list goes on.

The Accountant · 05-29-2020, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

My guess- next week's pump with Blake/Baller/Gary will have new collectors coming in and wanting to collect the Trout set. It will also get sellers reconsidering selling and doing the same. Both will cause values to increase. The Baller card is more susceptible to the casual dump being almost 3x the PR.

My guess is that by next Sunday:
Baller Trout- $250
Thiele Trout- $300

agreed, trout definitely the most likely to see bumps across the board

Acid Dock · 05-29-2020, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Im a little worried that this thing is gonna boom next week and purchases made today wont get honored. these deals are stupid

Only buy cards in hand to increase your odds!

I'm officially hunting for a Siff Brett and Chang Rivera today.

premium1981 · 05-29-2020, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

My guess is that by next Sunday:
Baller Trout- $250
Thiele Trout- $300

That was my guessing by mid week. The the Gary V interview got pushed to Thursday. So my gains will be the weekend after my wager ends.

Oh well.

pack9001 · 05-29-2020, 10:22 AM

I haven't been paying much attention to these, so I apologize if this is just a known thing...but how long after purchase are these shipped out?

I purchased the Oldmanlan Clemente for my dad the day it came out with the lowest shipping option but order still says Processing...

gmoney328 · 05-29-2020, 10:23 AM

Well, my experiment failed. No one is willing to give me $45 for a Shore Griffey. Yet.

I think what people are missing, and I keep saying this, is that nothing goes up in a straight parabolic line forever. This CORRECTION was way overdue. I'm still sitting on over 500% ROI on my cards at today's sales figures. People are going to have to let the shockwaves die down from the Griffey PR debacle.

Ride it out, especially if you bought low pre-Shore Griffey.

05-29-2020, 10:22 AM	#19524
pack9001 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montgomery, TX Posts: 4,511 pack_9001 pack9001	I haven't been paying much attention to these, so I apologize if this is just a known thing...but how long after purchase are these shipped out? I purchased the Oldmanlan Clemente for my dad the day it came out with the lowest shipping option but order still says Processing... __________________ CARDS - FT/FS: https://www.flickr.com/photos/147328235@N06/albums/72177720308301725

05-29-2020, 10:11 AM	#19505
mlc3423 Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,385	Quick question for the gang.....As i've mentioned in some of my previous posts i've basically have bought everything at msrp and the margins are wonderful None the less seeing all these panic sellers unloading stuff for the first time i've actually considering buying some of the older lower numbered pr that i missed cause the price drops are crazy Houdini had a B/S/T thread on his twitter yesterday and he dropped 10k on older stuff and says he's gonna buy more.....I don't have nearly that kind of coin but i was wondering what sleepers u still see lurking out there? I've got baller trouts coming on the way along with others from Topps but if they keep dropping or even go under $100 i might have to buy more.....Appreciate the thoughts

05-29-2020, 10:12 AM	#19509
Powell7db Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,969	the math doesn't add up here folks. Baller Trout with 35,000 PR is at $125 and the Thiele Trout with 13,000 PR is at $150. What happens? Baller down or Thiele up?

05-29-2020, 10:18 AM	#19517
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Doesn't subtract the Artist Autos... 1,065 - 12. Dwight Gooden - Tyson Beck 1,101 - 26. Dwight Gooden - Joshua Vides 1,127 - 56. Mariano Rivera - Oldmanalan 1,131 - 34. Ted Williams - Fucci 1,135 - 2. Sandy Koufax - Jacob Rochester 1,199 - 28. Mark McGwire - Keith Shore 1,205 - 5. Cal Ripken Jr. - Fucci 1,205 - 7. Bob Gibson - Grotesk 1,221 - 14. Rickey Henderson - Joshua Vides 1,227 - 11. George Brett - Gregory Siff 1,268 - 46. Bob Gibson - Sophia Chang 1,302 - 3. Jackie Robinson - Naturel 1,302 - 16. Tony Gwynn - Oldmanalan 1,334 - 1. Ichiro - Ben Baller 1,385 - 9. Ted Williams - JK5 1,441 - 24. Tony Gwynn - Grotesk 1,451 - 54. Bob Gibson - Keith Shore 1,456 - 17. Mark McGwire - Efdot 1,464 - 15. Willie Mays - Andrew Thiele 1,480 - 27. Willie Mays - Efdot 1,480 - 44. Frank Thomas - Jacob Rochester 1,556 - 48. Willie Mays - JK5 1,576 - 20. Cal Ripken Jr. - Jacob Rochester 1,617 - 8. Mariano Rivera - Sophia Chang 1,686 - 13. Don Mattingly - Keith Shore 1,798 - 32. Ichiro - JK5 1,819 - 19. Roberto Clemente - Naturel 1,844 - 10. Roberto Clemente - Mister Cartoon 1,864 - 38. Dwight Gooden - Ermsy 1,910 - 45. Roberto Clemente - Grotesk 1,972 - 22. Ichiro - Ermsy 1,992 - 55. George Brett - Tyson Beck

05-29-2020, 10:19 AM	#19519
Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,113 Asian62150	So a lot of the general public is selling (maybe/probably panic selling) and a lot of the experienced/long time members here are buying stuff... Hmm...

05-29-2020, 10:23 AM	#19525
gmoney328 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 4,172	Well, my experiment failed. No one is willing to give me $45 for a Shore Griffey. Yet. I think what people are missing, and I keep saying this, is that nothing goes up in a straight parabolic line forever. This CORRECTION was way overdue. I'm still sitting on over 500% ROI on my cards at today's sales figures. People are going to have to let the shockwaves die down from the Griffey PR debacle. Ride it out, especially if you bought low pre-Shore Griffey.