✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[mcpheely]

He's also hitting in Update US1 SSP. A nice looking card for sure.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Can anyone explain to me why the 2018 Bowman chrome #1 is selling for more than the 2018 Topps chrome #150 and Topps chrome update HMT1 cards? I have not seen this pattern for any other players from 2018 (Acuna Jr., Soto, Devers etc).

Also its his 1st Bowman Chrome (pretty much)

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Rage

Also its his 1st Bowman Chrome (pretty much)

Forgot this dynamic. His first BC just happens to be his rookie. The team set is a good call, but condition will be tough so buy the card. Card 17 in the set. They do not pack these team sets for grading.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by Rage

Also its his 1st Bowman Chrome (pretty much)

Except its not his first bowman. That would be his 2017 BCP31 mega mojo. But it is his first bowman batting.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

So people are willing to pay a premium for a hitting pose vs pitching?

Hmm... I wouldn't say people are paying a premium, in general. First off, you can't really compare Ohtani to any player that came before him in our hobby lifetimes. So trying to say that Ohtani just fits perfectly into a previous trend is a mistake.

I think it's a combination of a few things. First, and foremost, it's just flat out Ohtani fever. People buying what they can afford and then starting to dig deeper on a cheaper level to see if they can find overlooked gems so they can keep buying the player.

But since Ohtani not only IS a two-way player but he's also great at being a two-way player you end up with people that enjoy his game in one fashion or another a little bit more than the other. With Ohtani, he has so many pitching RCs that virtually anything of him taking a cut or standing in the batting box adds a fresh dimension for a collector.

I wouldn't go out and invest in Ohtani batting cards but I do enjoy them as a collector and Ohtani fan and will continue buying Class 1s. Why? It's fun.

Arthur

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Hmm... I wouldn't say people are paying a premium, in general. First off, you can't really compare Ohtani to any player that came before him in our hobby lifetimes. So trying to say that Ohtani just fits perfectly into a previous trend is a mistake.

I think it's a combination of a few things. First, and foremost, it's just flat out Ohtani fever. People buying what they can afford and then starting to dig deeper on a cheaper level to see if they can find overlooked gems so they can keep buying the player.

But since Ohtani not only IS a two-way player but he's also great at being a two-way player you end up with people that enjoy his game in one fashion or another a little bit more than the other. With Ohtani, he has so many pitching RCs that virtually anything of him taking a cut or standing in the batting box adds a fresh dimension for a collector.

I wouldn't go out and invest in Ohtani batting cards but I do enjoy them as a collector and Ohtani fan and will continue buying Class 1s. Why? It's fun.

Arthur

I agree buying Ohtani is fun...especially while he is playing like he has been. I try to catch as many of his at bats on MLB network. But since I am newer to the hobby (entered during Covid) I am still navigating and trying to find my way in what and how I collect. Since I don't buy to flip, I am just trying to find reasonable priced raw cards that I like and want to hold onto. I also like the Topps black label (not just class 1), but did pick up another class 1 black and class 1 blue /150. Not sure if I over paid, but I was happy with the price I paid.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I agree buying Ohtani is fun...especially while he is playing like he has been. I try to catch as many of his at bats on MLB network. But since I am newer to the hobby (entered during Covid) I am still navigating and trying to find my way in what and how I collect. Since I don't buy to flip, I am just trying to find reasonable priced raw cards that I like and want to hold onto. I also like the Topps black label (not just class 1), but did pick up another class 1 black and class 1 blue /150. Not sure if I over paid, but I was happy with the price I paid.

Just keep doing that. Buy what you like and you'll never be disappointed. I mean, if we're not having fun with this, what's the point?

Arthur

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I agree buying Ohtani is fun...especially while he is playing like he has been. I try to catch as many of his at bats on MLB network. But since I am newer to the hobby (entered during Covid) I am still navigating and trying to find my way in what and how I collect. Since I don't buy to flip, I am just trying to find reasonable priced raw cards that I like and want to hold onto. I also like the Topps black label (not just class 1), but did pick up another class 1 black and class 1 blue /150. Not sure if I over paid, but I was happy with the price I paid.

When you buy what you like you are already a winner. Let the value of the card be a secondary factor. Many are anxious in this crazy market because money took first position.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

When you buy what you like you are already a winner. Let the value of the card be a secondary factor. Many are anxious in this crazy market because money took first position.

I agree up to a point. I don't want to spend money frivolously on things that have no value (or the potential to hold no value) either. Not that I use cards as an investment. I just don't want to lose a ton of money either.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Except its not his first bowman. That would be his 2017 BCP31 mega mojo. But it is his first bowman batting.

I should have specified 1st Bowman Chrome BASE card. His 2017 BC was only in the mega box parallels and not MLB uniform either.

The 2018 BC Refractor /499 has gone nuts since last year, picked up one in PSA around $100, maybe 150 at most but they are about 10x that now!!

[seanrs1]

Can someone clarify Topps gold label Class 1,2 and 3 for me since I only buy singles. Are the class types based on a series or how rare the cards are?

[Rage]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Can someone clarify Topps gold label Class 1,2 and 3 for me since I only buy singles. Are the class types based on a series or how rare the cards are?

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I agree up to a point. I don't want to spend money frivolously on things that have no value (or the potential to hold no value) either. Not that I use cards as an investment. I just don't want to lose a ton of money either.

Oh I definitely agree. We want our purchases to go up. There is an investment component to the hobby, but if a person is just buying fir that, they will be disappointed more times than not.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by Rage

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards

Rage thanks for the link! I have used cardboard connection in the past (and should have looked there first). Did not know the black class 3's were such a tough pull (maybe I will be on the lookout for more).

[al3xmac10]

he was f'in jogging from 1st to home....

HAHAHA

[Rage]

Shotime strides like a gazelle

Not a bad day, 1-3 with a BB and a R

Pitching tomorrow

[tblood]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Forgot this dynamic. His first BC just happens to be his rookie. The team set is a good call, but condition will be tough so buy the card. Card 17 in the set. They do not pack these team sets for grading.

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[tblood]

Originally Posted by Rage

Shotime strides like a gazelle

Not a bad day, 1-3 with a BB and a R

Pitching tomorrow

Really looking forward to seeing where his velocity is. I have a hard time believing they will send him out there if he’s only averaging 90-91.


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[Trueblue]

I'll be the first to admit that the Heritage Low ROA is a superior card to the Heritage High ROA, head to head. There is however a wrinkle in the comps, as many H-Low ROAs were redemptions, thus having a decent gem rate. All of the H-High ROAs were packed and the production/packing condition was rough - especially centering and edges. The H-High ROA PSA 10 is population 5.

It wasn't easy but from the jump, I was able to overpay a bit on the cleanest looking copies and grade them. Even then, the gem rate was 30/70. The 5th copy came on the market in late 2020 (I didn't grade it), but I was cheap and got outbid. Probably just obsessive, but there's a strange satisfaction to own 80% of the pop.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by tblood

Really looking forward to seeing where his velocity is. I have a hard time believing they will send him out there if he’s only averaging 90-91.


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There will definitely be a collective sigh of relief when he hits 95-97 on his first fastball. Everything they're doing (+ his performance) suggests there's nothing wrong with him, but it sure wouldn't hurt to see him light up the gun.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

When you buy what you like you are already a winner. Let the value of the card be a secondary factor. Many are anxious in this crazy market because money took first position.

100%. When I was buying/grading Ohtani in 2019/20, I was staring at my half dozen slab cases and grossly realized that this was a horrible investment decision (conventionally) and the likelihood of my collection being worth garbage was high. The best and worst decisions in this hobby are emotional. Sometimes you hit the jackpot, but most of the time, your collection is super niche and not worth much. Important thing is to be happy with your collection regardless of the monetary outcome.

There was a time where if you whispered Ohtani on this forum, you'd be laughed at.

[al3xmac10]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

StockX founder Josh Luber picks up TC Batting Superfractor for 90K (Trade)

pcptrade,

did you receive the $190K payment for your Ohtani Super ebay sale?
if so, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

It wasn't easy but from the jump, I was able to overpay a bit on the cleanest looking copies and grade them. Even then, the gem rate was 30/70. The 5th copy came on the market in late 2020 (I didn't grade it), but I was cheap and got outbid. Probably just obsessive, but there's a strange satisfaction to own 80% of the pop.

You are a bad-bad man Charlie Brown - my goodness!

You're an Icon /83.

[yoyosh]

2018 Update is the gift that keeps on giving

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Probably just obsessive, but there's a strange satisfaction to own 80% of the pop.

Arthur