2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

More like flag worship/allowing the flag to hold power over people., like a fetish used in a religious ceremony.

Ok. Makes a little more sense. But still don't understand how my view of the symbolism of the flag fits. I'm not saying people shouldn't protest for racial equality, I'm not saying that the flag should somehow hush them. But in my view/opinion there are plenty of other places less controversial to protest.

[trixstar]

@ScottGottliebMD
Morgan Stanley's update today to its Covid model sees a an R of ~ 1.01 and epidemic doubling time ~ 61 days, reflecting a U.S. epidemic that continues to slowly expand. They cite states including AR, AZ, NC, WA, AZ, UT, TX; where new cases and/or hospitalizations are rising again

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by carlo16

So you actually know the 2 black people in Cape Cod?

My nephews are not on Cape Cod.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

My nephews are not on Cape Cod.

My bad. So you don’t know the 2 black people that live on The Cape.

[Seahawks fan]

I could see this scenario playing out next election... With the recent events and the power of social media, there is going to be a huge increase in voter turn out. That being said most of that turn out will come from the more populated "blue" states so it will have little impact in the election. Say Trump wins but unlike last election where Hillary had almost 3 million more votes, Biden gets around 10 million more votes and still loses. I could see the uproar and rioting happening all over again especially if there are some poorly worded tweets to stir the pot.

Like it or not the nation is very divided right now..most people either think Trump is the best president ever or the worst president ever..there is very little in between. Social media and media in general is the place most people look at to place the blame on the division but I will say it again. The 2 party system automatically divides us. If the goal is to come together and progress as Americans than why split into 2 groups and concentrate on blocking each other. Democrats have their news sources and republicans have their news sources and people of those parties tune into the one that tells them what they want to hear and what they want to hear is half BS to appease the fan bases rhetoric/agenda. Without the parties the news could concentrate on ACTUAL NEWS and Americans could start thinking clearly and stop pointing fingers at a broad label.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Ok. Makes a little more sense. But still don't understand how my view of the symbolism of the flag fits. I'm not saying people shouldn't protest for racial equality, I'm not saying that the flag should somehow hush them. But in my view/opinion there are plenty of other places less controversial to protest.

I'm saying (in my opinion) people shouldn't treat the flag like it's something important. I'm also saying that people shouldn't be upset with the protesters, they are using it as an opportunity to be heard. It should be controversial otherwise people would ignore it. If the protests only took place at the back of a Foot Locker every 3rd Thursday of the month, no one would know about it. I get that it makes you uncomfortable, but that's part of the point. Does it suck to have to hear all these bad takes from the "shut up and play" crowd because they just want to watch their sports and not have to think about the reality of what's going on in our society? Yes, but not anywhere close to how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of police brutality and other social injustice. I know we won't agree on the flag, but maybe we can agree that changes need to be made.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

I could see this scenario playing out next election... With the recent events and the power of social media, there is going to be a huge increase in voter turn out. That being said most of that turn out will come from the more populated "blue" states so it will have little impact in the election. Say Trump wins but unlike last election where Hillary had almost 3 million more votes, Biden gets around 10 million more votes and still loses. I could see the uproar and rioting happening all over again especially if there are some poorly worded tweets to stir the pot.

Like it or not the nation is very divided right now..most people either think Trump is the best president ever or the worst president ever..there is very little in between. Social media and media in general is the place most people look at to place the blame on the division but I will say it again. The 2 party system automatically divides us. If the goal is to come together and progress as Americans than why split into 2 groups and concentrate on blocking each other. Democrats have their news sources and republicans have their news sources and people of those parties tune into the one that tells them what they want to hear and what they want to hear is half BS to appease the fan bases rhetoric/agenda. Without the parties the news could concentrate on ACTUAL NEWS and Americans could start thinking clearly and stop pointing fingers at a broad label.

Even without parties the news still wouldn’t report the actual news. Stupid stories that gets clicks is more important to them.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I'm saying (in my opinion) people shouldn't treat the flag like it's something important. I'm also saying that people shouldn't be upset with the protesters, they are using it as an opportunity to be heard. It should be controversial otherwise people would ignore it. If the protests only took place at the back of a Foot Locker every 3rd Thursday of the month, no one would know about it. I get that it makes you uncomfortable, but that's part of the point. Does it suck to have to hear all these bad takes from the "shut up and play" crowd because they just want to watch their sports and not have to think about the reality of what's going on in our society? Yes, but not anywhere close to how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of police brutality and other social injustice. I know we won't agree on the flag, but maybe we can agree that changes need to be made.

Pretty sure you know if protests were at the back of foot locker we’d all know because the foot locker would be on fire and people would steal all the shoes.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

I could see this scenario playing out next election... With the recent events and the power of social media, there is going to be a huge increase in voter turn out. That being said most of that turn out will come from the more populated "blue" states so it will have little impact in the election. Say Trump wins but unlike last election where Hillary had almost 3 million more votes, Biden gets around 10 million more votes and still loses. I could see the uproar and rioting happening all over again especially if there are some poorly worded tweets to stir the pot.

Like it or not the nation is very divided right now..most people either think Trump is the best president ever or the worst president ever..there is very little in between. Social media and media in general is the place most people look at to place the blame on the division but I will say it again. The 2 party system automatically divides us. If the goal is to come together and progress as Americans than why split into 2 groups and concentrate on blocking each other. Democrats have their news sources and republicans have their news sources and people of those parties tune into the one that tells them what they want to hear and what they want to hear is half BS to appease the fan bases rhetoric/agenda. Without the parties the news could concentrate on ACTUAL NEWS and Americans could start thinking clearly and stop pointing fingers at a broad label.

2020 is turning the crazy up to 11. I feel like it's going to be nuts no matter what.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I'm saying (in my opinion) people shouldn't treat the flag like it's something important. I'm also saying that people shouldn't be upset with the protesters, they are using it as an opportunity to be heard. It should be controversial otherwise people would ignore it. If the protests only took place at the back of a Foot Locker every 3rd Thursday of the month, no one would know about it. I get that it makes you uncomfortable, but that's part of the point. Does it suck to have to hear all these bad takes from the "shut up and play" crowd because they just want to watch their sports and not have to think about the reality of what's going on in our society? Yes, but not anywhere close to how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of police brutality and other social injustice. I know we won't agree on the flag, but maybe we can agree that changes need to be made.

You're right we can agree that things need to change. You're also right that we won't agree on the flag situation. I will say though I have the right to voice my opinion of not liking the method of protest just like they have their right to protest and voice their displeasure with those that don't agree with them. It goes both ways.

[imbluestreak23]

First off, ugh, why am I here. Could be a mistake.

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

Like it or not the nation is very divided right now..most people either think Trump is the best president ever or the worst president ever..there is very little in between. .

Agree with your first sentence. We are on the break of a civil war IMO.

I disagree with your second statement. I voted for Trump, and I will continue to vote for Trump. Half of the Trump supporters I know do NOT like him (including me). They are not blind to the whiny, bit**y divisive, narcissistic attitude. Having said that, all fundamentally disagree with everything proposed by the left. There is not one ideal that I philosophically agree with. And for that reason, I will vote for a pet cat before I ever vote left...or a narcissistic orange human.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I'm saying (in my opinion) people shouldn't treat the flag like it's something important. I'm also saying that people shouldn't be upset with the protesters, they are using it as an opportunity to be heard. It should be controversial otherwise people would ignore it. If the protests only took place at the back of a Foot Locker every 3rd Thursday of the month, no one would know about it. I get that it makes you uncomfortable, but that's part of the point. Does it suck to have to hear all these bad takes from the "shut up and play" crowd because they just want to watch their sports and not have to think about the reality of what's going on in our society? Yes, but not anywhere close to how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of police brutality and other social injustice. I know we won't agree on the flag, but maybe we can agree that changes need to be made.

I'm not saying the protest shouldn't be in a place that gets attention, that's the whole point of a protest, but when you decide to it in a never touched area before (like kneeling during the National Anthem) don't act like you aren't going to get some flack and that anyone that disagrees with you is a racist and part of the problem.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Boo

Which is exactly what Brees said.

I am not arguing with that. That is his sh!tty opinion just like my sh!tty and your sh!tty opinions.

Originally Posted by cnewby

Walked right into that one. Just can't help himself.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I'm not saying the protest shouldn't be in a place that gets attention, that's the whole point of a protest, but when you decide to it in a never touched area before (like kneeling during the National Anthem) don't act like you aren't going to get some flack and that anyone that disagrees with you is a racist and part of the problem.

Help them out then, the sooner we get things fixed, the less kneeling, we all win

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

First off, ugh, why am I here. Could be a mistake.



Agree with your first sentence. We are on the break of a civil war IMO.

I disagree with your second statement. I voted for Trump, and I will continue to vote for Trump. Half of the Trump supporters I know do NOT like him (including me). They are not blind to the whiny, bit**y divisive, narcissistic attitude. Having said that, all fundamentally disagree with everything proposed by the left. There is not one ideal that I philosophically agree with. And for that reason, I will vote for a pet cat before I ever vote left...or a narcissistic orange human.

I think people view the “we are on the brink of a civil war” comment as crazy hyperbole, but it’s true. There is not an answer right now that will bring us back together. There is no empathy, no listening and no consideration. It’s “I’m right, you’re wrong”. You can see it here, in this thread for the past 5 pages, from likely well meaning individuals literally arguing over the flag, the symbol of unity in our country. It’s now a cloth, a symbol of racism, whatever. We used to come together over the ideals it stood for, and now we can’t even agree on that.

You have the pandemic, the lockdown, civil unrest, inequality in the justice system, anarchists, white supremacists and we aren’t even getting involved in the election yet. This will not end well and it’s coming to a head quickly.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

First off, ugh, why am I here. Could be a mistake.



Agree with your first sentence. We are on the break of a civil war IMO.

I disagree with your second statement. I voted for Trump, and I will continue to vote for Trump. Half of the Trump supporters I know do NOT like him (including me). They are not blind to the whiny, bit**y divisive, narcissistic attitude. Having said that, all fundamentally disagree with everything proposed by the left. There is not one ideal that I philosophically agree with. And for that reason, I will vote for a pet cat before I ever vote left...or a narcissistic orange human.

Legit confused... it sounds like you're saying you'd vote for a pet cat before an orange human, but you will also continue to vote for Trump?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I think people view the “we are on the brink of a civil war” comment as crazy hyperbole, but it’s true. There is not an answer right now that will bring us back together. There is no empathy, no listening and no consideration. It’s “I’m right, you’re wrong”. You can see it here, in this thread for the past 5 pages, from likely well meaning individuals literally arguing over the flag, the symbol of unity in our country. It’s now a cloth, a symbol of racism, whatever. We used to come together over the ideals it stood for, and now we can’t even agree on that.

You have the pandemic, the lockdown, civil unrest, inequality in the justice system, anarchists, white supremacists and we aren’t even getting involved in the election yet. This will not end well and it’s coming to a head quickly.

You're right there is no middle ground anymore. It's rather unnerving to be honest.

[mattglet]

Sometimes I seriously want to be a fly on the wall in the Conway household.

https://twitter.com/RVAT2020/status/1267970271337680896

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Don't deflect from your hilariously ironic statement.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Don't deflect from your hilariously ironic statement.

I really am not. You still do not understand the comment. Please explain what you're thinking so I can see where you are going wrong with understanding.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Legit confused... it sounds like you're saying you'd vote for a pet cat before an orange human, but you will also continue to vote for Trump?

Lol, re-read it. Yes calling Trump an orange human. And yes, in 2024 I will vote for a pet cat, or a slow turtle, or one of my guinea pigs.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

This will not end well and it’s coming to a head quickly.

I'm starting an apocalypse cult if anyone wants in.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

More like flag worship/allowing the flag to hold power over people., like a fetish used in a religious ceremony.

Then why ban/shun flags of hate if flags are so meaningless. The confederate flag, the nazi flag, the rising sun Japanese flag? Why do people get their panties in a bunch when those flags are flown? Because flags do hold meaning. Just because you'd just as soon wipe your butt with the American Flag doesn't mean everyone shares those same feelings. Flags do have great meaning it just depends on the person and the flag.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I really am not. You still do not understand the comment. Please explain what you're thinking so I can see where you are going wrong with understanding.

It was crystal clear to most of us. Good luck keeping up the rest of the day.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by cnewby

It was crystal clear to most of us. Good luck keeping up the rest of the day.

So in other words, you cannot explain or won't your misunderstanding. Gotcha.