✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Rage]

Ohtani heating up at the dish, a double and a triple tonight!!

[Trueblue]

I do feel like Ohtani is getting a small taste of what it's like to be Mike Trout. This team has such a horrible supporting cast that without strong in-house options, it's just 5-6 automatic outs in a lineup. Their bullpen has 2 respectable arms and everyone else is a tired retread or downright awful.

I think about the root cause and it's clearly ownership. The Hamilton/Pujols signing and impatience with reneging the Rengifo/Pederson trade (one is scuffling in the minors) is just scratching the surface. Until Arte stops handing out the "look at me!" contracts and starts getting some solid-average guys that get on base, it's going to be really tough to win. They don't have John Lackey, Jered Weaver, Garrett Anderson, and Chone Figgins landing in their lap this decade. Done with rant. Back to Ohtani.

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I do feel like Ohtani is getting a small taste of what it's like to be Mike Trout. This team has such a horrible supporting cast that without strong in-house options, it's just 5-6 automatic outs in a lineup. Their bullpen has 2 respectable arms and everyone else is a tired retread or downright awful.

I think about the root cause and it's clearly ownership. The Hamilton/Pujols signing and impatience with reneging the Rengifo/Pederson trade (one is scuffling in the minors) just scratch the surface. Until Arte stops handing out the "look at me!" contracts and starts getting some solid-average guys that get on base, it's going to be really tough to win. Done with rant. Back to Ohtani.

The Angels must be the most top-heavy team in baseball and it just goes to show what a truly team sport baseball is. To have arguably the 2 best players in baseball and have zero chance at winning anything is testament to that.

This is the worst front office in the MLB.

[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I do feel like Ohtani is getting a small taste of what it's like to be Mike Trout. This team has such a horrible supporting cast that without strong in-house options, it's just 5-6 automatic outs in a lineup. Their bullpen has 2 respectable arms and everyone else is a tired retread or downright awful.

I think about the root cause and it's clearly ownership. The Hamilton/Pujols signing and impatience with reneging the Rengifo/Pederson trade (one is scuffling in the minors) is just scratching the surface. Until Arte stops handing out the "look at me!" contracts and starts getting some solid-average guys that get on base, it's going to be really tough to win. They don't have John Lackey, Jered Weaver, Garrett Anderson, and Chone Figgins landing in their lap this decade. Done with rant. Back to Ohtani.

That trade would have been awful. Pederson isn't a good player, Stripling has been awful and we never got to hear who the prospect that was going with Rengifo but the rumors were it was going to be Jordyn Adams. I'm all for bashing Arte but not for this trade.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

That trade would have been awful. Pederson isn't a good player, Stripling has been awful and we never got to hear who the prospect that was going with Rengifo but the rumors were it was going to be Jordyn Adams. I'm all for bashing Arte but not for this trade.

I thought it was confirmed to be Rengifo and a filler prospect. Adams would be another story, I agree. Joc can look terrible in his approach but he has pop and plays plus defense - he would be starting in this lineup. Stripling would also be an upgrade to more than half the pen and the back end starters. I think that speaks volumes in multiple ways.

[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I thought it was confirmed to be Rengifo and a filler prospect. Adams would be another story, I agree. Joc can look terrible in his approach but he has pop and plays plus defense - he would be starting in this lineup. Stripling would also be an upgrade to more than half the pen and the back end starters. I think that speaks volumes in multiple ways.

It was one year of Pederson (2020) He hit .190 in 2020 and we'd get Stripling who wouldn't be an upgrade over anyone he had a 5.84 ERA in 2020 and has a 7.20 ERA so far in 2021. How does this trade make the Angels better?

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

It was one year of Pederson (2020) He hit .190 in 2020 and we'd get Stripling who wouldn't be an upgrade over anyone he had a 5.84 ERA in 2020 and has a 7.20 ERA so far in 2021. How does this trade make the Angels better?

I think you're beginning to get off the mark of my point that the ownership influenced decisions have not been good overall.

As for your statement above, flip it over - what did we have to lose in a utility player like Rengifo (and presumably a filler prospect)? Pederson also has pop and I'd rather have had a power threat in my 7-9 spot (zunino style) than the punchless guys trolling there. At the end of the day, this trade may be splitting hairs, but we can both agree that in totality, management of talent has been bad - let's just stick to that alignment.

[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think you're beginning to get off the mark of my point that the ownership influenced decisions have not been good overall.

As for your statement above, flip it over - what did we have to lose in a utility player like Rengifo (and presumably a filler prospect)? Pederson also has pop and I'd rather have had a power threat in my 7-9 spot (zunino style) than the garbage trolling that was trolling there. At the end of the day, this trade may me splitting hairs, but we can both agree that in totality, management of talent has been bad - let's just stick to that alignment.

Sorry to keep harping back on this but it just wasn't going to be a filler prospect. https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...s-luis-rengifo

The Dodgers weren't going to give us Andy Pages who just came off of a season where he had a 1.000 OPS in 2019 for a filler prospect. There's a big reason why the name of the prospect was never announced. The trade was going to be awful even if it were a filler prospect. I agree with your assessment that management has been awful, but not in this particular case.

Arte just keeps going after hitters when what we really need is to spend some of that money on pitching. Look at the A's they don't have a great offense but they contend with their pitching. Arte just doesn't understand this.

Again sorry for harping on this but really getting sick of people bringing up this trade as a reason that the Angels are so bad. It was a terrible trade, Stripling has been awful and the one year of Pederson where he hit .190 wasn't going to be the answer.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

Sorry to keep harping back on this but it just wasn't going to be a filler prospect. https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...s-luis-rengifo



The Dodgers weren't going to give us Andy Pages who just came off of a season where he had a 1.000 OPS in 2019 for a filler prospect. There's a big reason why the name of the prospect was never announced. The trade was going to be awful even if it were a filler prospect. I agree with your assessment that management has been awful, but not in this particular case.



Arte just keeps going after hitters when what we really need is to spend some of that money on pitching. Look at the A's they don't have a great offense but they contend with their pitching. Arte just doesn't understand this.



Again sorry for harping on this but really getting sick of people bringing up this trade as a reason that the Angels are so bad. It was a terrible trade, Stripling has been awful and the one year of Pederson where he hit .190 wasn't going to be the answer.

It was one of the factors that I listed. I did not start a post to highlight this trade, as you are making it out to be.

If what you're looking for is for me to concede that it would have been a bad trade for the angels top to bottom, you can have it - I see your point. Again though, on the flip side, Arte tried to make that terrible trade and only got to back out due to a technicality. You're only supporting the crux of my initial post.

Anyway, this is an Ohtani thread, not an angels team thread. I wish he had more support and it's kind of a Mike Trout situation. That's all.

[edz86]

I don’t usually post..more of a lurker but here are some of my ohtani rc (also have a ohtani rc ssp white jersey somewhere). I enjoy watching him play.


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[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Anyway, this is an Ohtani thread, not an angels team thread. I wish he had more support and it's kind of a Mike Trout situation. That's all.

I can agree with this part 100%. The Angels have a lot of money coming off the books this coming off season. I'd like to see the angels actual get some good pitching help.

I would just love to see a real team around Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, Anthony Rendon, David Fletcher and Jared Walsh

Ohtani is playing like Superman this year but without more pitching it's going to be a waste.

[Mahomie]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

Ohtani is playing like Superman this year but without more pitching it's going to be a waste.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by edz86

I don’t usually post..more of a lurker but here are some of my ohtani rc (also have a ohtani rc ssp white jersey somewhere). I enjoy watching him play.


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Well hello - that's not a bad introduction at all - great looking cards!

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by edz86

I don’t usually post..more of a lurker but here are some of my ohtani rc (also have a ohtani rc ssp white jersey somewhere). I enjoy watching him play.


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Nice to see the Ohtani mania reaching your side of the world. Nice cards! I may know a BO member who would swim to your continent for that card

[HarryLime]

Put a few Heritage Ohtani RCs up in BST that each have just about 50/50 centering and are PSA 10, if anyone is interested. Priced them well below eBay. Thanks!

Arthur

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by BaseballKing

The Angels must be the most top-heavy team in baseball and it just goes to show what a truly team sport baseball is. To have arguably the 2 best players in baseball and have zero chance at winning anything is testament to that.

This is the worst front office in the MLB.

As a Reds fan, I feel your pain.

[shamcat]

Originally Posted by edz86

I don’t usually post..more of a lurker but here are some of my ohtani rc (also have a ohtani rc ssp white jersey somewhere). I enjoy watching him play.


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Aussie here too (Adelaide)

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[Rage]

Shohei goes 0/0 with a pinch hit sacrifice RBI to tie up a game they win by 1 run, solid showing

111mph off the bat!

[al3xmac10]

pinch-hit, game-tying sac fly
plays RF

Halos come back from 0-4 to win, 6-5!

#LTBU

https://www.mlb.com/video/reymin-gud...=CMS_FIRST&p=0

[Rage]

Found his bat-up RC!
Never seen this card before, love the batting shot

[Cards and 401K]

They need to call up Adell to protect Ohtani...

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

They need to call up Adell to protect Ohtani...

If may seem that way if you're only looking at the home run total, but Adell needs time to adjust to breaking spin and cut the k-rate. Need to think beyond this year at this point... The pitching is just too terrible

[djdevon]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

If may seem that way if you're only looking at the home run total, but Adell needs time to adjust to breaking spin and cut the k-rate. Need to think beyond this year at this point... The pitching is just too terrible

Maybe when Adell can catch a fly ball reliably.

[al3xmac10]

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1...443264/photo/1

[Wrigs37]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

If may seem that way if you're only looking at the home run total, but Adell needs time to adjust to breaking spin and cut the k-rate. Need to think beyond this year at this point... The pitching is just too terrible

Believe me, Madden isn’t in a hurry to call up Adell. Arte or Perry will have to make him.
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