✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

The team set with him hitting seems undervalued.

They seem impossible to find in mint let alone graded Gem Mint. Even the graded Gem Mints don't look like they are.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/35440044284...Bk9SR96ywr-_Yw

I picked up a PSA 9 from myslabs for $50 early in February

[Ziggy]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

The team set with him hitting seems undervalued.

They seem impossible to find in mint let alone graded Gem Mint. Even the graded Gem Mints don't look like they are.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/35440044284...Bk9SR96ywr-_Yw

I keep an eye on it as I paid $400 for it lol. As much as I want it to hit $600, they're not that expensive, you cherry picked an expensive one. Comps are sub-250.

Edit: No wonder I was getting deja vu, you posted this too:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...ostcount=16634

How many of these things do you have?

[Qubits]

I bought a raw team set ohtani at a show a while back for $15 that I thought might gem and it got a PSA 9. Oh well, still in the PC though.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by Ziggy

I keep an eye on it as I paid $400 for it lol. As much as I want it to hit $600, they're not that expensive, you cherry picked an expensive one. Comps are sub-250.

Edit: No wonder I was getting deja vu, you posted this too:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...ostcount=16634

How many of these things do you have?

The 2 unopened sets. That is all.

[njsportscardguy]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

love this card.

the history behind it is also seemingly forgotten

I got back into the hobby,...a year too late (aka. 2019). Would you mind enlightening me as to what you mean by..."the history" behind it....? Are you merely pointing to the fact that it's an SP, or is there more to it...?

I was uber-lucky to have pulled this card in the single/solitary box that I purchased this past January,...using my MVP Buyback dollars + some cash. I was further lucky by getting it to hit a Gem, @ the upgrade shop.

Lastly,...I noticed that the prices on this particular card over the past 45-60 days (raw & graded) has swung, significantly!!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

I got back into the hobby,...a year too late (aka. 2019). Would you mind enlightening me as to what you mean by..."the history" behind it....? Are you merely pointing to the fact that it's an SP, or is there more to it...?

I was uber-lucky to have pulled this card in the single/solitary box that I purchased this past January,...using my MVP Buyback dollars + some cash. I was further lucky by getting it to hit a Gem, @ the upgrade shop.

Lastly,...I noticed that the prices on this particular card over the past 45-60 days (raw & graded) is significant!

firstly... your story is AWESOME!

as for the card history..... 2018 Heritage Low # was out in March of that year. Ohtani had yet to play in a MLB game so that card was released breaking the RC Logo Rule (for the first time since Alex Gordon in 2006 Topps)

just one of those small nuggets that will be lost to time

[Trueblue]

It's also an "action" variation but no action shot. Tops basically made it an SP rookie card using action variation odds. There's under 3K copies which is tremendously low for a "plain" heritage rookie. The real action is #600 in HN.

[hermanotarjeta]

Pulled my first Ohtani auto last night, and on-card to boot!

Very thrilled to mark off another hobby bucket list item.

Out of 2023 topps sterling under the rookie of the years category.

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Pulled my first Ohtani auto last night, and on-card to boot!

Very thrilled to mark off another hobby bucket list item.

Out of 2023 topps sterling under the rookie of the years category.

Congrats on that pull, on card Shohei is great


Interesting... Did you buy the box from a flipper boi or did you enter a break? Any answer is gonna pretty interesting.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Congrats on that pull, on card Shohei is great


Interesting... Did you buy the box from a flipper boi or did you enter a break? Any answer is gonna pretty interesting.

I purchased the box at my local shop. It’s been sitting on the shelf for months and every time I went in I was tempted to buy it. I finally made the purchase and was thrilled with the pull.

[njsportscardguy]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

firstly... your story is AWESOME!

as for the card history..... 2018 Heritage Low # was out in March of that year. Ohtani had yet to play in a MLB game so that card was released breaking the RC Logo Rule (for the first time since Alex Gordon in 2006 Topps)

just one of those small nuggets that will be lost to time

Thanks! And thanks for shedding some light on the history/nostalgia around the #17 card!

I know that I posted the card on the day that I pulled it (virtually certain that it was in the next-to-last pack, too!) but I don't believe that I posted the 10 when I got it back! Nevertheless; here's, both, for shoots-and-giggles:

Originally Posted by Trueblue

It's also an "action" variation but no action shot. Tops basically made it an SP rookie card using action variation odds. There's under 3K copies which is tremendously low for a "plain" heritage rookie. The real action is #600 in HN.

Ya' learn something, every day! Thanks!

[oddstuff]

Easy 3 bagger

https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1764391339850903680?

[hammertime]

Wonder if he could've made it home if he busted it out of the box, but probably not worth trying to find out on March 3. The world isn't ready for the amount of mashing this dude is going to do this season.

[cj828282]

Ohtani Ready!

[Trueblue]

I'm an unapologetic fan of the #17. Had so much fun collecting these. Good to see it started to get the pricing respect it deserves again.

[ThoseBackPages]

no 9s?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

Thanks! And thanks for shedding some light on the history/nostalgia around the #17 card!

I know that I posted the card on the day that I pulled it (virtually certain that it was in the next-to-last pack, too!) but I don't believe that I posted the 10 when I got it back! Nevertheless; here's, both, for shoots-and-giggles:




Ya' learn something, every day! Thanks!

LOVE IT!

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

no 9s?

They got too expensive

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

They got too expensive

hahahahaha

[njsportscardguy]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I'm an unapologetic fan of the #17. Had so much fun collecting these. Good to see it started to get the pricing respect it deserves again.

Impressive chase/collection, friend!

Yeah,...I re-read what I posted, a few posts/comments, back, and realized; what I stated was effectively..."nonsensical". What I MEANT to say/suggest, is that there's been a rather significant,..."price-swing"...over the past 45-60 days or so...on the #17!!?! As in,...about a 25-30% swing,...in both raw & graded (presuming there's no..."market manipulation" goin' on)

Perhaps I'm biased, too, but seeing as I (again) got back into the hobby, a year too late,...and the #17 is the only TRUE Ohtani RC that I've pulled (too damn expensive to go busting/chasing other Ohtani RC's, like a crazed, mad-man) it honestly is one of the more..."appealing",....relatively-affordable RC's to have, IMO.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

Impressive chase/collection, friend!



Yeah,...I re-read what I posted, a few posts/comments, back, and realized; what I stated was effectively..."nonsensical". What I MEANT to say/suggest, is that there's been a rather significant,..."price-swing"...over the past 45-60 days or so...on the #17!!?! As in,...about a 25-30% swing,...in both raw & graded (presuming there's no..."market manipulation" goin' on)



Perhaps I'm biased, too, but seeing as I (again) got back into the hobby, a year too late,...and the #17 is the only TRUE Ohtani RC that I've pulled (too damn expensive to go busting/chasing other Ohtani RC's, like a crazed, mad-man) it honestly is one of the more..."appealing",....relatively-affordable RC's to have, IMO.

It roared to over $500 raw (PSA 10 over $1K) upon release. I know TBP remembers but this and the ROA were the huge chase cards for Heritage.

It then came down to $150 raw for what felt like years. That's when I bought all of mine. For all the reasons mentioned, I do think it has room as more people appreciate it in the future.

Another interesting nugget is that high number came out after Ohtani was injured. Therefore none of those cards were really in demand until his first MVP season in 2021. The #600 action variation was a $28 card raw.

[ThoseBackPages]

another possible "plus" for good 'ole #17 Heritage is the release of this years product.

it's the "1975" Topps Design, a VERY popular year for the brand so that could spark some interest again

[Qubits]

Huge mailday for me today!

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Qubits

Huge mailday for me today!

Beautiful, congrats! One of my favorites!

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

firstly... your story is AWESOME!

as for the card history..... 2018 Heritage Low # was out in March of that year. Ohtani had yet to play in a MLB game so that card was released breaking the RC Logo Rule (for the first time since Alex Gordon in 2006 Topps)

just one of those small nuggets that will be lost to time

I don't want to start an argument, but I'm not so sure the Ohtani violated the rookie logo rule.

According to the agreement, "Topps agrees that it will not use the word or
designation “rookie” on or in connection with its publication of baseball pictures of Prospects." The term "prospects" is further defined as "non-40 man roster players." So Topps was permitted to call players "rookies" (i.e. use the rookie logo) on any player who was on the 40 man roster.

Ohtani was a unique case because he was an international free agent, signed to a major league contract. Which placed him immediately on the 40 man roster.

The portion of the agreement you might be referencing is the portion prohibiting the use of "non-major leaguers". This portion doesn't have anything to do with the rookie logo, but with requiring separate contracts for "non-major leaguers." Further, the definitions provide an interesting loop hole for Ohtani's situation. According to the agreement, "“Baseball Season” means spring training and exhibition play, the Major League Championship Baseball Season, and post-season play. “Major Leaguer” means a baseball player, coach, manager or trainer who, with respect to any Baseball Season, has signed a valid BPPLA and (i) has at least one day’s service on an active Major League roster or disabled list during the Major League Baseball Championship Season, or (ii) otherwise has at least one day’s active service for MLBPA dues purposes. “Non-Major Leaguer” means, with respect to any Baseball Season, any current or former baseball player, draft choice, coach, manager or trainer who is not a Major Leaguer."

So while Ohtani had not yet played in a major league game by March of 2018, he had signed a major league contract, was on the 40 man roster, had participated in spring training, and had at least one day's active service for MLBPA dues purposes. Consequently, Topps could consider him a "major leaguer" under the agreement. Regardless, like I said, this really has nothing to do with the rookie logo, but with using the MLBPA license. Topps could still include a non-major leaguer in their sets so long as they have an individual agreement with that player. The only restriction on the rookie logo was that the player had to be on the 40 man roster.

See pages 10-12 of the agreement: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...xhibit10-1.pdf

Again, I don't put this out to argue, but Ohtani created an unusual set of circumstances worth discussing. Where is it stated that the rookie designation could only be used for players who had played in a major league game?