2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[MattDMC]

https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/st...38427723296768

So I'm all in favor of arresting those breaking curfews/laws but this is a little excessive. Other night in Grand Rapids, a lone individual gets maced in the face and then seconds later gets shot in the face with a tear gas canister at essentially point blank range. He's already been maced just move in and tackle/zip tie him, why the need to shoot him in the head with a tear gas canister? Really hope that officer gets reported/charged. That's completely uncalled for.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

[I hereby grant permission to any member or lurker to screenshot the following post and share it on social media. All I ask is that you present it within a context of compassion and mutual understanding.]

One of the funny things about being human is that you never know what random thing will trigger an emotional connection to something. The most obvious example is grief and losing a loved one. The years start to pass and you feel yourself returning to normal and then the smallest thing will suddenly unleash a torrent of memories and mourning.

This isn't on the same level as that, but I still play PokemonGo.

If you remember back in 2016 when the game debuted, it was shortly after the Ferguson riots. We were in a bad place as a country and then this absolutely ridiculous phone game appeared. Suddenly everyone—even the police!—were outside walking around and talking with their neighbors. Suddenly it became perfectly normal to interact with people you normally wouldn't. Hell, those first two weeks might have been the only two weeks in our nation's history when non-white kids could go wherever they wanted whenever they wanted without arousing suspicion. If you saw a group of people with their phones out you didn't even question what they were doing.

But today the game is four years old and, with the pandemic, has largely turned into a play-from-home style game. I'll generally open the app while I'm checking my emails and catch a few guys before putting it away. With everything going on though, I can't help but think about how tragically different things are. We're coming up on another election that promises to somehow be worse than the 2016 one and it doesn't feel like there's anything our country can go out and do together for fun. We don't even have sports! If anything, it feels like the new PokemonGo is Twitter. Except the Pokemon are other human beings and the goal isn't to catch them, it's to publicly insult them and try to ruin their reputations.

Maybe we're just been locked inside too long....

How great of you to think so highly of yourself that we would want to quote your entire post to share with the world

Just had to bust your balls for a second.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

[I hereby grant permission to any member or lurker to screenshot the following post and share it on social media. All I ask is that you present it within a context of compassion and mutual understanding.]

One of the funny things about being human is that you never know what random thing will trigger an emotional connection to something. The most obvious example is grief and losing a loved one. The years start to pass and you feel yourself returning to normal and then the smallest thing will suddenly unleash a torrent of memories and mourning.

This isn't on the same level as that, but I still play PokemonGo.

If you remember back in 2016 when the game debuted, it was shortly after the Ferguson riots. We were in a bad place as a country and then this absolutely ridiculous phone game appeared. Suddenly everyone—even the police!—were outside walking around and talking with their neighbors. Suddenly it became perfectly normal to interact with people you normally wouldn't. Hell, those first two weeks might have been the only two weeks in our nation's history when non-white kids could go wherever they wanted whenever they wanted without arousing suspicion. If you saw a group of people with their phones out you didn't even question what they were doing.

But today the game is four years old and, with the pandemic, has largely turned into a play-from-home style game. I'll generally open the app while I'm checking my emails and catch a few guys before putting it away. With everything going on though, I can't help but think about how tragically different things are. We're coming up on another election that promises to somehow be worse than the 2016 one and it doesn't feel like there's anything our country can go out and do together for fun. We don't even have sports! If anything, it feels like the new PokemonGo is Twitter. Except the Pokemon are other human beings and the goal isn't to catch them, it's to publicly insult them and try to ruin their reputations.

Maybe we're just been locked inside too long....

The crazy part is some people need a game to have a reason to go outside which is sad. When I saw a huge group at a park, I saw a lot of them that looked like they haven’t seen the sun in years.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by MattDMC

https://twitter.com/jusalotofpain/st...38427723296768

So I'm all in favor of arresting those breaking curfews/laws but this is a little excessive. Other night in Grand Rapids, a lone individual gets maced in the face and then seconds later gets shot in the face with a tear gas canister at essentially point blank range. He's already been maced just move in and tackle/zip tie him, why the need to shoot him in the head with a tear gas canister? Really hope that officer gets reported/charged. That's completely uncalled for.

Why was he walking towards them for?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It’s so easy, anyone can do it.

Originally Posted by cnewby

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Maybe they are worried about property damage too? Is that one of their traits?

Who knows but it’s very interesting seeing communities get together to stop some of these knuckleheads. Even street gangs are like not in our neighborhood.

You guys are awesome. Please don't change.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by discostu

You guys are awesome. Please don't change.

How dare you assume we are all awesome. Profile much

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by discostu

You guys are awesome. Please don't change.

Same to you.

[patchgenie]

i need some gucci shoes.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by pejc300

How great of you to think so highly of yourself that we would want to quote your entire post to share with the world

Just had to bust your balls for a second.

It's more of an acknowledgement that some of our posts are already ending up reposted elsewhere.

[Siberian13]

Three former Minneapolis police officers will be criminally charged Wednesday in connection with the death of George Floyd, Sen. Amy Klobuchar wrote in a post on Twitter.

Guess Amy trying to fix her past issue of letting the cops off.

[hostilecarrot]

Michael Thomas engaging in Twitter warfare against Drew Brees.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Three former Minneapolis police officers will be criminally charged Wednesday in connection with the death of George Floyd, Sen. Amy Klobuchar wrote in a post on Twitter.

Guess Amy trying to fix her past issue of letting the cops off.

And upping the charge to second degree murder. Will be fun watching Antifa-loving wife abuser Ellison fail in court

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by hostilecarrot

Michael Thomas engaging in Twitter warfare against Drew Brees.

Drew Brees about to get woke by Michael Thomas

[castingcouchfan]

I'm sure a lot of you are more knowledgeable of the law than I am, so thought I'd ask..

How is it that a curfew overrides our first amendment rights?

If a organizer were to schedule a protest past curfew, wouldn't that be protected under the first amendment?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

And upping the charge to second degree murder. Will be fun watching Antifa-loving wife abuser Ellison fail in court

They can bring as many charges as they want. The question is will they stick. Hostilecarrot might be able to shed some light since he’s a defense attorney.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by hostilecarrot

Michael Thomas engaging in Twitter warfare against Drew Brees.

Michael Thomas seems very soft, in general. He got triggered a couple of weeks ago too.

[mnvikingstwins]

There should be nothing remotely controversial with what Brees said, but if you don't fall in line with BLM and liberals then the far-left media tries to ruin your character

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by castingcouchfan

I'm sure a lot of you are more knowledgeable of the law than I am, so thought I'd ask..

How is it that a curfew overrides our first amendment rights?

If a organizer were to schedule a protest past curfew, wouldn't that be protected under the first amendment?

What state statute authorizes this action?
In Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.02, the Minnesota Legislature conferred upon the Governor emergency powers to “generally protect the public peace, health, and safety” and to “preserve the lives and property of the people of the state.” Pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.21, subdivision 1, the Governor has general authority to control the state’s emergency management and to carry out the provisions of Minnesota’s Emergency Management Act.

Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.21, subdivision 3(7), authorizes the Governor to cooperate with federal and state agencies in “matters pertaining to the emergency management of the state and nation.” This includes “the direction or control of . . . the conduct of persons in the state, including entrance or exit from any stricken or threatened public place, occupancy of facilities, and the movement and cessation of movement of pedestrians, vehicular traffic, and all forms of private and public transportation during, prior, and subsequent to . . . actual emergencies.” This authority also extends to the direction and control of “public meetings or gatherings.”

Pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.21, subdivision 3(1), the Governor may “make, amend, and rescind the necessary orders and rules to carry out the provisions” of Minnesota Statutes 2019, Chapter 12. When approved by the Executive Council and filed in the Office of the Secretary of State, such orders and rules have the force and effect of law during the peacetime emergency. Any inconsistent rules or ordinances of any agency or political subdivision of the state are suspended during the pendency of the emergency.

Under Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.45, the default penalty for violating an executive order is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000, or by imprisonment for not more than 90 days.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by castingcouchfan

I'm sure a lot of you are more knowledgeable of the law than I am, so thought I'd ask..

How is it that a curfew overrides our first amendment rights?

If a organizer were to schedule a protest past curfew, wouldn't that be protected under the first amendment?

We’ve had juvenile curfews for years. Seems like all are local laws implemented in times of issues. If the protests were peaceful there’d probably be no curfew but not sure on that.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

There should be nothing remotely controversial with what Brees said, but if you don't fall in line with BLM and liberals then the far-left media tries to ruin your character

Brees has had this stance for a while. Why is it an issue now?

[castingcouchfan]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

What state statute authorizes this action?
In Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.02, the Minnesota Legislature conferred upon the Governor emergency powers to “generally protect the public peace, health, and safety” and to “preserve the lives and property of the people of the state.” Pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.21, subdivision 1, the Governor has general authority to control the state’s emergency management and to carry out the provisions of Minnesota’s Emergency Management Act.

Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.21, subdivision 3(7), authorizes the Governor to cooperate with federal and state agencies in “matters pertaining to the emergency management of the state and nation.” This includes “the direction or control of . . . the conduct of persons in the state, including entrance or exit from any stricken or threatened public place, occupancy of facilities, and the movement and cessation of movement of pedestrians, vehicular traffic, and all forms of private and public transportation during, prior, and subsequent to . . . actual emergencies.” This authority also extends to the direction and control of “public meetings or gatherings.”

Pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.21, subdivision 3(1), the Governor may “make, amend, and rescind the necessary orders and rules to carry out the provisions” of Minnesota Statutes 2019, Chapter 12. When approved by the Executive Council and filed in the Office of the Secretary of State, such orders and rules have the force and effect of law during the peacetime emergency. Any inconsistent rules or ordinances of any agency or political subdivision of the state are suspended during the pendency of the emergency.

Under Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 12.45, the default penalty for violating an executive order is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000, or by imprisonment for not more than 90 days.

See, I can see that being challenged in a court of law.

Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions. It prohibits states from interfering with the federal government's exercise of its constitutional powers, and from assuming any functions that are exclusively entrusted to the federal government. It does not, however, allow the federal government to review or veto state laws before they take effect.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supr...0constitutions.

I know that some juvenile curfews have been challenged before and the courts ruled that they were unconstitutional, while some ruled in favor of.

I guess this is one of those grey areas.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

There should be nothing remotely controversial with what Brees said, but if you don't fall in line with BLM and liberals then the far-left media tries to ruin your character

I think you could say it is controversial but not something that is obscene or offensive. I understand and respect Brees' viewpoint and also don't agree with the kneeling but also respect those players' feelings and don't really take offense to it. I don't really think kneeling is a big deal one way or the other.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

There should be nothing remotely controversial with what Brees said, but if you don't fall in line with BLM and liberals then the far-left media tries to ruin your character

Except that, like, it's not based on reality. Players knelt to bring awareness. Not to disrespect the flag.

Cue the "I DON'T CARE, IT'S MUH FLAG!" arguments like the First Amendment doesn't exist...

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Except that, like, it's not based on reality. Players knelt to bring awareness. Not to disrespect the flag.

Cue the "I DON'T CARE, IT'S MUH FLAG!" arguments like the First Amendment doesn't exist...

First Amendment doesn't matter when they're doing it as paid employees, would be different if they're going and marching in the street during their free time

[coreywt]

Originally Posted by castingcouchfan

If a organizer were to schedule a protest past curfew, wouldn't that be protected under the first amendment?

The Supreme Court would rule 5-4, "no."