LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Why are you even here?

Same reason we are all here. To learn about the issues going on and to be better informed about these issues. So far I've learned quite a bit in this thread since the beginning. Anyone with any involvement should be discussed. Not sure why you can't see that? No one forced the27guy to do what he did. He is a grown man and made those choices all by himself.

Why are you here? Other than to defend the27guy

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Same reason we are all here. To learn about the issues going on and to be better informed about these issues. So far I've learned quite a bit in this thread since the beginning. Anyone with any involvement should be discussed. Not sure why you can't see that? No one forced the27guy to do what he did. He is a grown man and made those choices all by himself.

Why are you here? Other than to defend the27guy

I’m not defending him, I literally don’t care about him. You’re just sitting around posting memes and wasting space by muddying up the thread and taking away from the real fraud here.

Adam wanted to protect his business relationship with Eric and wrongly defended him now he’s gone into hiding, case closed. What else is there to say about him?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I’m not defending him, I literally don’t care about him. You’re just sitting around posting memes and wasting space by muddying up the thread and taking away from the real fraud here.

Adam wanted to protect his business relationship with Eric and wrongly defended him now he’s gone into hiding, case closed. What else is there to say about him?

You've said on multiple posts that everyone shouldn't mention him Others want to know and maybe don't have the time to read the whole thread. You seem to care a lot it seems. the27guy is included in the fraud based on him doing what he's done. I don't blame him for not wanting to come back. I think the forum would be a better place without him. We all need Eric, Jack, Adam and Sohrob to come in here and tell the 100% truth about all they know. But I doubt that will actually happen. Without them, what can be done?

Stop wasting space with your angry posts and let people discuss what they want. Why are you always so angry? I've never understood that part about you on a sports card forum. Get a grip my man.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I’m not defending him, I literally don’t care about him. You’re just sitting around posting memes and wasting space by muddying up the thread and taking away from the real fraud here.

Adam wanted to protect his business relationship with Eric and wrongly defended him now he’s gone into hiding, case closed. What else is there to say about him?

You must be missing some of the story. It’s obviously more then wrongly defended him. I can forgive someone defending a friend somewhat blindly. But when you’re acting so hard to look transparent and then withhold important information, it’s obvious what’s going on here.

[pingbling23]

For those wanting to get caught up to speed.

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

- OP starts the thread and warns us about a handful of trimmed, or otherwise altered Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. This includes very clear pictures of the RPA numbered 87/99 (87 becomes very important later) as well as information regarding other copies. The thread was started 11-26-2018 keep that in mind too.

- Soon, a member using the handle "rookies" posts, which implicates Eric/BNC (BuyNiceCards) whose online handle on this forum is ebitz. The claim is that he moves the card (74/99) and it ends up with BNC, at which point it is also showing signs of being trimmed.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...81&postcount=9

- 27 says that he corresponded with BNC via email and BNC claims he acquired the questionable cards as part of a large collection.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=54

- rookies posts again and says he wants people to know that 74/99 is now trimmed and posts images of 74/99 before it was trimmed, clearly showing a damaged lower left edge. The images of 74 in his post show the card is not slabbed in a BGS case anymore at the time his photos were taken.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=26

- AlabamaSlamma posts screenshots of 74/99 graded as a BGS 9 and having sold in 2007.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59

Summary: Card 74/99 sold as a BGS 9 in 2007, was .5 away from grading as a 9.5 as per the card's seller in 2007. This is good reasoning as to why the card was altered and how it received damage to its lower left edge. Card 74/99 then resurfaces as a 9 with a new BGS label and the damage to lower left edge clearly presented by rookies is gone.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...9&postcount=49
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59
https://buynicecards.com/product/200...to-99-bgs-9-10
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=69

- Card 87/99 is brought up, by a PBM using the handle DevinKurant, who asks 27guy to ask BNC about it. 27guy says BNC informed him that he acquired 87/99 in graded form at an earlier time. Keep this in mind, it becomes very important later.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=70
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=72

- starvela points out that 87/99 was graded along with the others that BNC has for sale. (Post #75) Review posts 77, 79 and 81.

- We now know that 74/99, in possession of BNC, is altered, but don't know who altered it. Up to this point the discussion looks bad for BNC, 27guy thinks BNC is not guilty of alteration and wants BNC and rookies to join the discussion, but is sticking his neck out for BNC and this continues throughout the thread.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=101

- NeedChapmans posts two quotes from another thread that clearly indicate past dealings and shaky ground between rookies and BNC. (Posts 155 and 158.) However, there is information on the Lebron RPA in this thread. In hindsight, a couple of these guys (absolutely not including NeedChapmans) knew what we're just finding more recently.
NeedChampans' post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=158
Older thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1001748

- Card 87/99 is mentioned again. 11-28-2018
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=174

- Again, 27guy is sticking his neck out for BNC and walking a very fine line. It's easy to think he is defending him, but you will all have to read the posts yourself and come to your own conclusions. Suggestions that there is a third party between rookies and BNC are made, but numerous members are not buying it. Note posts 211 and 213 while you're reading. 11-28-2018

- rookies returns to the thread and posts more information, says he bought 74/99 ungraded and that moving the card was a three person deal that involved him, BNC and a person named sohrob, user name: 2infnitynbeyond. According to rookies there was an agreement that if the card graded at least a 9, they owe him more money, he didn't get his money, read the post.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=214

- rookies posts again, says sohrob is the middle man connecting him and BNC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=226

- Nothing new after this for a bit, however someone outright defending BNC shows up, you can read starting here if you wish: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=280
During this time its also speculated that rookies got screwed in the 3 way deal, it appears he did get screwed and was understandably upset and decided to out the others, possibly unaware of the scam about to happen, not sure. Posts 292 and 299.

- 87/99 brought up AGAIN. 11-28-2018 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=351

- By this point DevinKurant is defending BNC as well, 27guy has chimed in again. SteveO makes this post (11-29-2018) which 27guy responds to a few posts down:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=392
"...drop a bomb..."

- Summary of everything that has happened up to post 417: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=417

- More discussion follows. Devin Kurant also shows up again and 27guy is still chiming in on behalf of BNC who still hasn't shown up.

- rookies returns with this post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=567
discussion follows, he posts again: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=623

- BNC finally shows up, this is a really long post, so I'll summarize for you. "Hey guys, let's just sweep this under the rug." Read it for yourself though and draw your own conclusions: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=641 A couple things you really want to keep in mind, he says that he bought 74/99 graded as a BGS 9, from sohrob...alrighty... and also bought 87/99 in the same collection in raw form and "...Graded it BGS 9 when I received it and I recall it being a clean card and didn’t appear trimmed to me." 11-30-2018

- More discussion, someone on social media claims to own 87/99, it's a bogus claim. 87/99 brought up yet again, post 701. Very important. 11-30-2018 The card has been glossed over by most, but one person has information that every one else is missing.

- Lots of discussion takes place, read it when you get the time. fifthdownsports had come in to talk shyt to people at some point, DevinKurant who was also just sh!t talking has been banned because he is a PBM, both of them defending BNC. Card 87/99 is brought up again in posts 826 and 829. The date is now 12-03-2018 More discussion and another guy who didn't even read the thread comes in to defend BNC...we're now at 900+ posts.

- More discussion worth reading, other people have spoken to BNC and did not come off feeling confident, he tried to brush it off again. Post 972. Moving on to post 978, a very important point is made and we're nearly up to 1000 posts.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=978
Again, card 87/99 is mentioned and the date is now 12-15-2018

- One of BNC's defenders chimes in again and says Eric (BNC) has no involvement in the card being trimmed. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=981

- Summary: 27guy is not doing himself any favors and has stepped in a big pile of poo on behalf of BNC. Rookies shows up a couple times to clear his name and further clarify things about his involvement. BNC himself shows up, shoo-shooing the entire thread with a filibuster. Some people show up to talk smack to every one on behalf of BNC, one of them is a PBM and is banned once more. Among them, the only one that maintains civility is 27guy.

Ok, take a breather, because someone is about to drop a BOMB.

- buybuymj shows up in the thread and posts dated screen shots of several super high end cards, including many Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. Among them is 87/99. The screen shot, dated back to 2013 shows clear edge wear on 87/99, but this screen shot also bears the logo of none other than BNC, BuyNiceCards. It is clearly NOT trimmed AT THE TIME THIS SCREEN SHOT WAS SAVED back in 2013. REMEMBER, BNC claimed that he acquired this card as part of a larger collection from sohrob (user ID 2infnitynbeyond) in 2014. The date is now 12-15-2018. At this point you should go back to the FIRST post and look at the images posted of card 87/99 and you will find that it is now TRIMMED as a BGS 9. BuybuyMJ claims he sent the information in this post to an active member on the forums, who did NOT post the information, but does not reveal the name.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1000

These following posts will get you up to speed, I suggest you take a look.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1001
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1004
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1005

- Members start to wonder who the member with the information in post 1000 is. 27guy reveals himself as the member who had this information. 12-16-2018 He subsequently gets scorched by members, it's understandable.

- Yet another person (soleternity) who has not read through the thread shows up and throws in red herrings and tries to belittle what has just been discovered. It doesn't work.

- BuybuyMJ shows up again and posts screen shots of the conversation he initiated with 27guy via eBay. This is why the dates are so important. As shown in the screen shots, the date this conversation was initiated was November 29th of 2018...the thread was started on the 26th of November, 27guy has had this information for some time. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1118

- 27guy claims he wasn't clear on what buybuyMJ was trying to state in the posts that follow buybuyMJ's contributions. A lot of people in the thread do not believe 27guy, a few do. I am not making the decision for anyone, you draw your own conclusions.

- rogermaris posts some important information, that BNC claimed he purchased 87/99 on eBay in raw form in 2013. As stated in the post, looks like the nail in the coffin. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1176 Soleternity continues to try to derail the thread, it doesn't work.

That's everything up to your post on page 52. If someone wants to double check this, please let me know if I missed anything or if I made any errors, thank you.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I’m not defending him, I literally don’t care about him. You’re just sitting around posting memes and wasting space by muddying up the thread and taking away from the real fraud here.

Adam wanted to protect his business relationship with Eric and wrongly defended him now he’s gone into hiding, case closed. What else is there to say about him?

Dude, let it go. Even with that last paragraph, there's still gonna be people that are gonna proclaim you're defending Adam.

It's either black or white here. No gray areas. I'm on the same boat as you when it comes to Adam but that's not what matters. We all should be focused on who's doing (or has done) the trimming as well as what cards are affected right now.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Without them, what can be done?.

People are posting valuable research and information about potentially trimmed and fraudulent cards to help take down a bunch of scumbags but people like you who have absolutely nothing to add, but desperately want to feel like they’re part of something are burying it.

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by bmf

great IG post by hairyangryfella

he doesn't lack any insight. it's just more of his endless goody-two-shoes shtick. the only thing that's changed is that people are finally seeing through it.

I agree here. What's bizarre to me is Adam's dialog on instagram. Clearly he isn't coming back here, and I don't think he cares. I get it, he feels he's been tried and found guilty......but how should folks view his place in this story?

To me it seems "I'm not really sorry, I'm really sorry I got caught."



Outside of the27guy.....

Man, seeing all the suspect issues going on, we clearly have opened Pandora's Box it appears. I'm glad I don't follow the super high end market, because apparently much of it goes thru BNC.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

We all should be focused on who's doing (or has done) the trimming as well as what cards are affected right now.

That’s what I’m trying to say but anything useful is getting buried by junk

[pingbling23]

I hate to keep going off topic but jcard just stop. You’ve done the same thing in this thread you’re calling out Siberian for. Most of your posts have been about Adam or getting onto others trying to be the thread police. I get it, the memes and idiots asking about Keith van horn cards clog the thread up. It just makes it worse when people respond those things. Now let’s get back to it.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

I agree here. What's bizarre to me is Adam's dialog on instagram. Clearly he isn't coming back here, and I don't think he cares. I get it, he feels he's been tried and found guilty......but how should folks view his place in this story?

To me it seems "I'm not really sorry, I'm really sorry I got caught."



Outside of the27guy.....

Man, seeing all the suspect issues going on, we clearly have opened Pandora's Box it appears. I'm glad I don't follow the super high end market, because apparently much of it goes thru BNC.

I think only time and the truth will tell. But he's certainly not looking good.

I've said it before but this kind of stuff makes me glad I'm a low-end collector (except for the whole being rich part).

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

I hate to keep going off topic but jcard just stop. You’ve done the same thing in this thread you’re calling out Siberian for. Most of your posts have been about Adam or getting onto others trying to be the thread police. I get it, the memes and idiots asking about Keith van horn cards clog the thread up. It just makes it worse when people respond those things. Now let’s get back to it.

Fair enough. The last thing I will leave this with before I post some relevant information I’ve been gathering is that I’ve had 20 posts in this thread. Take a look at how many other members have had and see who’s the real problem

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Fair enough. The last thing I will leave this with before I post some relevant information I’ve been gathering is that I’ve had 20 posts in this thread. Take a look at how many other members have had and see who’s the real problem

Please post something useful. It would be helpful. I saw who has the 2nd most posts in this thread, so I agree with you that he’s part of the problem.

[spuds1961]

What amazes me is all the people involved in this thread when 90 percent of us would never have the cash flow for the cards involved.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

What amazes me is all the people involved in this thread when 90 percent of us would never have the cash flow for the cards involved.

Maybe not for the >100k Lebrons, but I think most are convinced this spreads past that.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Maybe not for the >100k Lebrons, but I think most are convinced this spreads past that.

I think anyone can see this could include any possible card from low range and up. We’ve seen countless members sell their soul for less.

[Siberian13]

I’m curious why Blowout mods wouldn’t suspend ebitz at the least? I feel like we’ve seen other threads of members selling altered cards on eBay and being warned. I could be mistaken though. Force him to respond to the accusations. I doubt he cares about this account anyways and isnt coming back.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I’m curious why Blowout mods wouldn’t suspend ebitz at the least? I feel like we’ve seen other threads of members selling altered cards on eBay and being warned. I could be mistaken though. Force him to respond to the accusations. I doubt he cares about this account anyways and isnt coming back.

I'm guessing because, technically, no proof has been shown that he's been trimming the cards. Or even that he was aware they were trimmed.

It's one of those things that are quite obvious but without hard, definitive evidence...I understand they can't act. When confronted, he can just say he "lend" them to sohrob and then the card quality improved without him knowing anything about it.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I'm guessing because, technically, no proof has been shown that he's been trimming the cards. Or even that he was aware they were trimmed.

It's one of those things that are quite obvious but without hard, definitive evidence...I understand they can't act. When confronted, he can just say he "lend" them to sohrob and then the card quality improved without him knowing anything about it.

Ok so as long as he’s not attempting to sell them, no harm no foul. Gotcha.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Ok so as long as he’s not attempting to sell them, no harm no foul. Gotcha.

I won't say it's quite like that. I feel like if there was some way it can be 100% proofed he was involved in the trimming, he would be gone even without selling.

Hopefully we can get to the point in which we can know what every person involved in this mess knew and what they did.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Ok so as long as he’s not attempting to sell them, no harm no foul. Gotcha.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1257143

We've seen how BO rules on these types of things before (VERY recent).

Obvious traced auto, obviously trying to sell it on the forum, claims he doesn't know...

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Maybe not for the >100k Lebrons, but I think most are convinced this spreads past that.

You do have a point but I don't think the average collector is trimming cards that aren't worth more than 500 dollars. I started an article years ago when I was on a writing staff for another forum on how dishonest this hobby is, it was the most read and most responded to article of the year. I am just glad that 99 percent of my cards were pulled by me personally .

[Orangejello727]

The next run up is going to be on Giannis RPAs from NT and Immaculate. Both Eric and Adam have stakes in them. Huge pump and dump coming.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

The next run up is going to be on Giannis RPAs from NT and Immaculate. Both Eric and Adam have stakes in them. Huge pump and dump coming.

If Adam and Eric didn’t exist everybody knows those cards are going to be more popular than 99% of recent offerings from Panini.

Not saying they won’t be “messed” with, but predicting that isn’t tough.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I'm guessing because, technically, no proof has been shown that he's been trimming the cards. Or even that he was aware they were trimmed.

It's one of those things that are quite obvious but without hard, definitive evidence...I understand they can't act. When confronted, he can just say he "lend" them to sohrob and then the card quality improved without him knowing anything about it.

There has been proof shown that he knew the Exquisite LeBron RPA was trimmed. He bought the card with damage, admitted that he sent the card to BGS and the card came back a 9 without the original damage. He is a part of the trimming of the card whether he physically trimmed it or not.