Right now, where do you rank Lebron all time?

[Dnic]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Contender to what? Get swept as soon a he plays a real contender?

Simple minds can understand this

18-31 Finals win loss
11-16 Finals win loss against non Warriors teams

He can absolutely make any East team a pretender contender but he isn’t making everybody a contender to close.

He’s a 2nd place machine though/mic drop

And your precious Celtics couldn't get past him with his mediocre Cavs team he was playing with, give him a decent team like he will have next year he will get another ring, the warriors are not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this Cavs team was one of the worst teams Lebron has took to the finals maybe one of the worst in the history of the finals lol, and yet they were pretty much in the mix every game had they won the first game I believe the outcome would have been much different.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Dnic

And your precious Celtics couldn't get past him with his mediocre Cavs team he was playing with, give him a decent team like he will have next year he will get another ring, the warriors are not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this Cavs team was one of the worst teams Lebron has took to the finals maybe one of the worst in the history of the finals lol, and yet they were pretty much in the mix every game had they won the first game I believe the outcome would have been much different.

My precious Celtics were missing their 2 best players so my expectations were actually surpassed for them so sorry to disappoint you.

If your goal is to be in the mix and say “but” and “if” as a way to celebrate what Lebron could’ve would’ve should’ve done then so be it. Enjoy fantasy land.

[Dnic]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

My precious Celtics were missing their 2 best players so my expectations were actually surpassed for them so sorry to disappoint you.

If your goal is to be in the mix and say “but” and “if” as a way to celebrate what Lebron could’ve would’ve should’ve done then so be it. Enjoy fantasy land.

So basically you are saying your Celtics needed 2 more great players to beat just one lol? I mean Tatum, Rozier, Jaylen wasn't enough to beat basically one guy smh

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Dnic

So basically you are saying your Celtics needed 2 more great players to beat just one lol? I mean Tatum, Rozier, Jaylen wasn't enough to beat basically one guy smh

Only a Lebron fan would call that Celtics group “great players”. Love sucks but Rozier is great. Got it.

I hope Lebron lands somewhere where he has enough. I can’t inagine what enough is but I hope he gets it.

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by Dnic

So basically you are saying your Celtics needed 2 more great players to beat just one lol? I mean Tatum, Rozier, Jaylen wasn't enough to beat basically one guy smh

1. Since when did Hayward become a great player?
2. Are you really trying to call Tatum/Rozier/Brown a big 3? I didn't realize two guys averaging 14ppg and one one 11ppg made you a big 3?

[Round Mound]

What would make you put Russell in the top 5?

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by Dnic

And your precious Celtics couldn't get past him with his mediocre Cavs team he was playing with, give him a decent team like he will have next year he will get another ring, the warriors are not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this Cavs team was one of the worst teams Lebron has took to the finals maybe one of the worst in the history of the finals lol, and yet they were pretty much in the mix every game had they won the first game I believe the outcome would have been much different.

I don't think GS is unbeatable by any stretch either. Houston may have done it if CP3 didn't get hurt. But lebron got a crack at them last year with a "decent" team. Unless you don't consider Kyrie and Love decent. They got waxed.

Lebron had a couple of other "decent" teams in Miami that got beat by the Spurs and the Mavs.

Giving him a "decent" team is no guarantee he gets a ring.

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

What would make you put Russell in the top 5?

There is a strong case for Russell just like there is a strong case for MJ, KAJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird and LBJ. That's what a lot of these "haters" are debating. Not that LBJ doesn't belong. Just that it's not blasphemy to have him outside the top 5.

[robert0629]

Originally Posted by Dnic

And your precious Celtics couldn't get past him with his mediocre Cavs team he was playing with, give him a decent team like he will have next year he will get another ring, the warriors are not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this Cavs team was one of the worst teams Lebron has took to the finals maybe one of the worst in the history of the finals lol, and yet they were pretty much in the mix every game had they won the first game I believe the outcome would have been much different.

They were in the mix every game? They were swept and were outscored by a combined 60 points! That's the largest margin of victory in an NBA Finals sweep in history. It doesn't get any worse than that. This LeBron led Cavs team had the worst performance ever by a team in the Finals. I guess if it makes you feel better that LeBron and the Cavs eked out victories against the Pacers and Celtics. But what's the point if he's just going to get embarrassed on a bigger stage?

[Patriot12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihBWlj-GjGM

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

What would make you put Russell in the top 5?

5 mvp’s
Great rebounder
Greatest defensive player ever (arguably)
Great crunch time player 10-0 game 7s

I know you want me to list “team” accomplishments so you can tear them down so here goes

15 year span

2 ncaa titles
Gold medal
12 trips to the nba Finals 11-1

Sure he had 49 hall of famers on his team but none of them had 11 titles. He was the constant and won with different groups.

What Lebron has done is make people believe that a great player doesn’t have a disproportionate influence on the outcome of a game or team success when history shows that they do.

Not Lebron history but nba history

Now, you want to argue human evolution and tell me Russell wouldn’t be such and such if he played today based on your opinion that’s fine, I can’t prove otherwise. When I look at different eras I look at how someone dominated the people around them because everyone plays under the same rules during their time. How you stand out from your peers shows your superiority.

And Russell is the greatest winner in sports history.

Bobby Knight said Jordan is the best player he’s ever seen and Russell is the most valuable.

I would pick Russell #2 all time but I wouldn’t cry and throw a fit if he was in the back end of that top 7 group I named earlier according to others.

It’s my opinion. I won’t show up to every thread and yell at everybody and call them a hater if they don’t agree with me.

But I do believe in your lead dog setting the tone for your franchise. Wilt used to laugh at Russell because he threw up before a big game. It made him nauseous because he’d be so hyped up and cared so much.

Wilt said basketball was Russell’s life and he didn’t want to live that way. And that makes perfect sense from a human standpoint.

But I want the crazies on my team. I want to win.

I don’t want to support someone who says it’s just basketball even if they score 75,000 points and play 35 years like a cyborg.

And that’s why I would put him in the top 5

[Dnic]

Originally Posted by robert0629

They were in the mix every game? They were swept and were outscored by a combined 60 points! That's the largest margin of victory in an NBA Finals sweep in history. It doesn't get any worse than that. This LeBron led Cavs team had the worst performance ever by a team in the Finals. I guess if it makes you feel better that LeBron and the Cavs eked out victories against the Pacers and Celtics. But what's the point if he's just going to get embarrassed on a bigger stage?

I guess if you just check box scores and stats then you would be correct but anyone who actually watched the games know they where in it all the way till the maybe last 5 min of each game besides game 4 where they all just gave up and I will even say Lebron gave up.

[robert0629]

Originally Posted by Dnic

I guess if you just check box scores and stats then you would be correct but anyone who actually watched the games know they where in it all the way till the maybe last 5 min of each game besides game 4 where they all just gave up and I will even say Lebron gave up.

They were in Game's 1 and 3. But they couldn't finish either game, so what's the point. LeBron proved again he's not a finisher. They had no chance in Game 2. I remember JR Smith hitting pretty much every shot in pre-game warmups. I was thinking maybe he's going to redeem himself for his Game 1 blunder. He came out and hit a couple of early shots and the Cavs kept it close in the 1st quarter. After those few early shots JR was missing everything from then on. I guess he figured it was going to be too hard to redeem himself against a team this good. Anyway, early in the 2nd quarter they fell behind by double digits, and that was pretty much the game. The Cavs may have cut into the Warriors lead a few times, but every time they got with six or seven the Warriors would go on another run and go up by ten or more. The Warriors were in control of that game practically the whole way. So I don't know what game you were watching.

[drobfan8]

A new day, a new list of excuses.

Gotta love the LeBron fans.

Sorry but AI and J. Kidd took far worse teams to the finals than LeBron did and they actually won a game or two.

There has been 9 sweeps in NBA finals, LeBron has 2 of them. It is a little unfair because he really has no right being there, the East was just so bad this season. Cs decimated by injuries and had a bunch of kids playing with reckless abandon.

[bimbo coles]

Here's my shitty uninformed list. Really got into basketball during the 90-91 season.

1. michael jordan
2. wilt chamberlain
3. kareem abdul jabbar
4. magic johnson
5. larry bird
6. bill russell
7. lebron james
8. shaquille o'neal
9. kobe bryant
10. oscar robertson

[Round Mound]

@6celtics33: playing with so many hall of famers, at a time when you needed to win 2 playoffs series to win the Title, at a time when you had 5 players averaging more than 15rpg every season, etc

There

Is

No

GOAT

just

great

players

in

their

eras

[Round Mound]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Sorry but AI and J. Kidd took far worse teams to the finals than LeBron did and they actually won a game or two.

Different players, different teammates, different opponents, different era, act 5167.

[Patriot12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUlbtlKUuik

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

@6celtics33: playing with so many hall of famers, at a time when you needed to win 2 playoffs series to win the Title, at a time when you had 5 players averaging more than 15rpg every season, etc

There

Is

No

GOAT

just

great

players

in

their

eras

I said top 5 not goat. He’s my 2, so for someone with no opinion of rankings at all, why do you spend so much energy on ranking threads.

Also go look at some of those hall of fame names. John Thompson and Satch Sanders did a lot I’m sure.

The 2 playoff series argument is bs. Everybody had the same opportunity to win. Why did that only help him?

Lebron usually walks to the finals (not this year but usually)

Does that take away his accomplishments? I know you don’t think that.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

@6celtics33: playing with so many hall of famers, at a time when you needed to win 2 playoffs series to win the Title, at a time when you had 5 players averaging more than 15rpg every season, etc

There

Is

No

GOAT

just

great

players

in

their

eras

It's where do you rank him all time.

I'm not sure why you keep dribbling this nonsense over and over. Some people like to debate this stuff.

Some people need their Jordan and LeBron collections to rise in value

[ThoseBackPages]

Poll is in early tonight fellas

Good news

BACK in my Top 10!

have a great night!

[tperks76]

Originally Posted by robert0629

They were in Game's 1 and 3. But they couldn't finish either game, so what's the point. LeBron proved again he's not a finisher. They had no chance in Game 2. I remember JR Smith hitting pretty much every shot in pre-game warmups. I was thinking maybe he's going to redeem himself for his Game 1 blunder. He came out and hit a couple of early shots and the Cavs kept it close in the 1st quarter. After those few early shots JR was missing everything from then on. I guess he figured it was going to be too hard to redeem himself against a team this good. Anyway, early in the 2nd quarter they fell behind by double digits, and that was pretty much the game. The Cavs may have cut into the Warriors lead a few times, but every time they got with six or seven the Warriors would go on another run and go up by ten or more. The Warriors were in control of that game practically the whole way. So I don't know what game you were watching.

It was a 5 point game with 3 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter, then Curry went on the 3 point barrage, so they were in the game, yes, the Warriors led the entire way, but game 2 didn't get out of hand until Curry started making ridiculous shot after shot.

[tperks76]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Poll is in early tonight fellas

Good news

BACK in my Top 10!

have a great night!

Thank goodness, gotta be at work early, and now I can go to bed early

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by tperks76

Thank goodness, gotta be at work early, and now I can go to bed early

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

5 mvp’s
Great rebounder
Greatest defensive player ever (arguably)
Great crunch time player 10-0 game 7s

I know you want me to list “team” accomplishments so you can tear them down so here goes

15 year span

2 ncaa titles
Gold medal
12 trips to the nba Finals 11-1

Sure he had 49 hall of famers on his team but none of them had 11 titles. He was the constant and won with different groups.

What Lebron has done is make people believe that a great player doesn’t have a disproportionate influence on the outcome of a game or team success when history shows that they do.

Not Lebron history but nba history

Now, you want to argue human evolution and tell me Russell wouldn’t be such and such if he played today based on your opinion that’s fine, I can’t prove otherwise. When I look at different eras I look at how someone dominated the people around them because everyone plays under the same rules during their time. How you stand out from your peers shows your superiority.

And Russell is the greatest winner in sports history.

Bobby Knight said Jordan is the best player he’s ever seen and Russell is the most valuable.

I would pick Russell #2 all time but I wouldn’t cry and throw a fit if he was in the back end of that top 7 group I named earlier according to others.

It’s my opinion. I won’t show up to every thread and yell at everybody and call them a hater if they don’t agree with me.

But I do believe in your lead dog setting the tone for your franchise. Wilt used to laugh at Russell because he threw up before a big game. It made him nauseous because he’d be so hyped up and cared so much.

Wilt said basketball was Russell’s life and he didn’t want to live that way. And that makes perfect sense from a human standpoint.

But I want the crazies on my team. I want to win.

I don’t want to support someone who says it’s just basketball even if they score 75,000 points and play 35 years like a cyborg.

And that’s why I would put him in the top 5

Bill Russell could do something that LeBron could never do. Defend all 5 positions. He could and did at times defend guards. He also defended Wilt Chamberlain.