J Scott Campbell appreciation thread

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by Mysterio

Mine shipped on March 30th but the tracking web site isn't working properly so who knows where it is. You would think because I'm right next door in Texas, it would get here quickly but apparently it's traveling up here by burro.

I don't know what customs office it comes through, but I think every parcel from Mexico goes through the same hub regardless of where the final destination is. When it comes to customs, seems like its just luck of the draw. Sometimes it goes right through, sometimes it sits for weeks.

[Mysterio]

Ha HA! The burro made it today! It came registered mail and I just signed for it. Nice looking books...

[DirkDiggler]

Looks like JSC store didn't release a print run for the Jean Grey's this time LOL

Order your copies of Jean Grey #1 featuring cover artwork by J. Scott Campbell and colors by Sabine Rich! A JSC EXCLUSIVE! Available in full color in 3 variants + 1 Convention Exclusive (not available on web store).

Also, there is a 4th cover too?

[Cyber Warrior]

Originally Posted by Mysterio

Here are the Jean Grey covers...

Ok, now this I need.

[Mysterio]

Originally Posted by DirkDiggler

Looks like JSC store didn't release a print run for the Jean Grey's this time LOL



Also, there is a 4th cover too?

I saw that as well! For reals?! So much for those of us that won't have him at a convention near us.

[BlueSnags]

Snagged an unsigned set of 3 this AM.

- Snags

[Mysterio]

Originally Posted by BlueSnags

Snagged an unsigned set of 3 this AM.

- Snags

I was really debating this one. But I had money in my PP account and figured 'why not?' I can always cancel my order if I have a change of heart.

[Cyber Warrior]

Dark Phoenix movie just got announced for next year.

[Stat Monsters]

Originally Posted by Mysterio

I was really debating this one. But I had money in my PP account and figured 'why not?' I can always cancel my order if I have a change of heart.

If there was an evolution of her traditional costumes as the variants, I'd be "all-in" on 'em. That would have been pretty good to see the original black maksed costume; the gold mask green skirt, the Phoenix costume, the dark phoenix, as the 4 covers... and maybe go to the New X-Men black costume or the X-Factor costume 'tho those seem less "classic" to me as alternates.

[Charlie2099]

I checked Ebay out of curiosity about 45 minutes after Jean Grey went up for sale. People had already over paid for it. They were still available on his website. Are people lazy, stupid or don't care?

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by Charlie2099

I checked Ebay out of curiosity about 45 minutes after Jean Grey went up for sale. People had already over paid for it. They were still available on his website. Are people lazy, stupid or don't care?

I always assumed it was a lack of knowledge

[Cyber Warrior]

A lot of people don't even realize he has a website.. I see it from time to time when someone posts pics on FB and a person will ask.. where can I get these? I'm assuming same goes for on eBay.. People have no clue.

[Charlie2099]

Originally Posted by Cyber Warrior

A lot of people don't even realize he has a website.. I see it from time to time when someone posts pics on FB and a person will ask.. where can I get these? I'm assuming same goes for on eBay.. People have no clue.

Well, I hope they continue to not realize that. The books literally have "JScottCampbell Exclusive" on them. I hope people continue to not understand the search function of the Google.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by Charlie2099

Well, I hope they continue to not realize that. The books literally have "JScottCampbell Exclusive" on them. I hope people continue to not understand the search function of the Google.

I disagree. I hope everybody who wants them eventually figures out they can buy them directly from his site. Promoting flipping (buying multiple copies of something you don't want just because you think you can quickly resell them for more money) doesn't really benefit the longevity of the hobby. Flippers cause an apparent shortage on these types of books by making demand seem higher than supply. That leads print runs and prices to go up, even though the demand isn't there at the end of the day. Its not sustainable.

[Charlie2099]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I disagree. I hope everybody who wants them eventually figures out they can buy them directly from his site. Promoting flipping (buying multiple copies of something you don't want just because you think you can quickly resell them for more money) doesn't really benefit the longevity of the hobby. Flippers cause an apparent shortage on these types of books by making demand seem higher than supply. That leads print runs and prices to go up, even though the demand isn't there at the end of the day. Its not sustainable.

I see your point. I just want to be stable to pick them up at regular price. I only collect.

[Stat Monsters]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I disagree. I hope everybody who wants them eventually figures out they can buy them directly from his site. Promoting flipping (buying multiple copies of something you don't want just because you think you can quickly resell them for more money) doesn't really benefit the longevity of the hobby. Flippers cause an apparent shortage on these types of books by making demand seem higher than supply. That leads print runs and prices to go up, even though the demand isn't there at the end of the day. Its not sustainable.

I agree with your disagreement.

The greedy amateur (uneducated on what to buy) investors came into varied hobbies over 25 years ago such as the sports cards in the late 80's early 90's; Beanie Babies in the 90's; comic books in the 90's' Action Figure Toys in the 90's; and the majority of that material that ended up being dumped back into the marketplace took it's toll on the values, where major losses were incurred.

The manufacturers fulfilled the supply with that false demand (false in that there were many hording buyers buying quantity tonnage storing 'em away as if they were a 401k retirement plan. So, in truth there were not that many individual unique buyers.

I think the flippers of today learned in part, lessons from their predecessors who held onto material for a longer term. Now, today's filippers almost immediately step in and step out, happy with a certain ROI profit % rather than think it'll pay for their kid's college tuition.

Most flippers who are savvy with their business will recognize the danger of holding too many assets in inventory, so if after a certain timeperiod, they'll liquidate their inventory instead of holding it, even if it means selling at break-even or a loss. That's where and how you see many of formerly hot variants plummet in price.

With the JSC stuff, flippers are competing with JSC in that JSC is the exclusive distribution hub, and I doubt if JSC offers wholesale pricing to dealers/resellers, so the best price is with JSC and a lot of his books are still available on the website days after the solicitation, so it's not like they sell out within the hour or day. I'd hope people who support the flippers will do a little homework and just buy direct. I know some are out of print and sold out, so there's no other option, and at that point, it's just fair market value pricing.

Hopefully, the resellers grow tired of the lack of guaranteed money in the bank on JSC speculating, so that the fans can get the books direct at anytime from JSC rather than pay any mark-ups.

[Cujobyte]

The fact that JSC is now doing "unlimited" print runs on a LOT of his books is good if you plan to keep forever. I like most of his art, but some recently has been awful (rush jobs?).

And as far as his remarques, well again good for true collectors. But if you think you'll be paying off kids tuition in years to come, lol. Good luck. Only his OA and very early, low print runs, will be worth the $$ in the long haul IMO.

[Stat Monsters]

Originally Posted by Cujobyte

And as far as his remarques, well again good for true collectors. But if you think you'll be paying off kids tuition in years to come, lol. Good luck. Only his OA and very early, low print runs, will be worth the $$ in the long haul IMO.

Dead On Accurate!

In general, within the Original Art (OA) community, it's widely known that people who collect "commissions" (including sketch cards, sketch covers, remarks, custom renderings, convention sketches, etc.) which are of course still valuable as "one of a kind" unique items, but pale in comparison to "published" original art.

Just look at the Heritage "Signature" Auctions and the Comic Link "Featured" auctions, it's rare to see unpublished commissions solicited as a consignment (usually relegated to the lower profile auctions) and even when they are offered, they don't command nearly the shock value price tags of published counterparts by the same artist.

So, the JSC remarks are fun to collect, may or may not go up in value (depending how much you paid), but are more for fans than investors if you're looking to get a good ROI %.

Yeah, I know his published art sells anywhere from $4,000 to $25,000, and the remarks are cheaper... but you can get a Steak @ Sizzlers for $10 and also get a Steak @ Ruth Chris Steakhouse for $75.... which is better? (...and also, of course, what can you afford)

I'd always say if you're investing in JSC, nothing beats published artwork, especially when it comes to these scarce CGC comic books, high grade or signature series, they're not even in the same league as JSC OA.

JSC has been working in comics for decades and already established himself as a legend with a solid fan following, so he's no flash-in-the-pan where the bottom will fall out in the market for his material. He's only getting more and more popular.

I do think, JSC just needs to get back to interior work for one epic run (much like how Jim Lee's popularity amplified with his Batman "Hush" series, which had great storytelling, whereas Lee's other work like on Superman were just going through the motions of being pretty pictures set to mediocre writing) to make him more than what many consider just a pin-up artist.

[DigsUT]

Originally Posted by Stat Monsters

Dead On Accurate!

In general, within the Original Art (OA) community, it's widely known that people who collect "commissions" (including sketch cards, sketch covers, remarks, custom renderings, convention sketches, etc.) which are of course still valuable as "one of a kind" unique items, but pale in comparison to "published" original art.

Just look at the Heritage "Signature" Auctions and the Comic Link "Featured" auctions, it's rare to see unpublished commissions solicited as a consignment (usually relegated to the lower profile auctions) and even when they are offered, they don't command nearly the shock value price tags of published counterparts by the same artist.

So, the JSC remarks are fun to collect, may or may not go up in value (depending how much you paid), but are more for fans than investors if you're looking to get a good ROI %.

Yeah, I know his published art sells anywhere from $4,000 to $25,000, and the remarks are cheaper... but you can get a Steak @ Sizzlers for $10 and also get a Steak @ Ruth Chris Steakhouse for $75.... which is better? (...and also, of course, what can you afford)

I'd always say if you're investing in JSC, nothing beats published artwork, especially when it comes to these scarce CGC comic books, high grade or signature series, they're not even in the same league as JSC OA.

JSC has been working in comics for decades and already established himself as a legend with a solid fan following, so he's no flash-in-the-pan where the bottom will fall out in the market for his material. He's only getting more and more popular.

I do think, JSC just needs to get back to interior work for one epic run (much like how Jim Lee's popularity amplified with his Batman "Hush" series, which had great storytelling, whereas Lee's other work like on Superman were just going through the motions of being pretty pictures set to mediocre writing) to make him more than what many consider just a pin-up artist.

Personally, I do not believe that Campbell will ever need to get back to interiors. He has cemented himself as a "rock star" cover artist and despite the number of books he is putting out lately, they are still being sold. If I was Campbell, Ross, Dell'Otto, Hughes and the like, I would continue to pump out covers. Why deal with the headache and stress of deadlines with interiors.

In todays collecting market, more and more people grade books. Once slabed, you can no longer enjoy the interior art. However, the cover will always be appreciated.

[marino13]

Your next potential "golden ticket" in your package (if you bought one or 100)

[Yeezus]

Originally Posted by DigsUT

Personally, I do not believe that Campbell will ever need to get back to interiors. He has cemented himself as a "rock star" cover artist and despite the number of books he is putting out lately, they are still being sold. If I was Campbell, Ross, Dell'Otto, Hughes and the like, I would continue to pump out covers. Why deal with the headache and stress of deadlines with interiors.

In todays collecting market, more and more people grade books. Once slabed, you can no longer enjoy the interior art. However, the cover will always be appreciated.

Campbell has gone on record saying that interior work doesn't pay compared to cover work. Why do interiors when he doesn't need to? Lol

He is an established artist with a faithful following. He can keep cranking out covers and sell his OA for 20k +.

[Spider-Fan]

It's not even that complicated. If what you want to do is covers, and you can do covers, why would you do something else? You take work you don't want to get to where you want to be. You don't go backwards.

[Yeezus]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

It's not even that complicated. If what you want to do is covers, and you can do covers, why would you do something else? You take work you don't want to get to where you want to be. You don't go backwards.

Exactly. Doing covers and getting bank is probably better than doing interiors and constant deadlines.

Also, I don't think Campbell needs to go back to interiors to reach Jim Lee status. He is already there.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by Yeezus

Exactly. Doing covers and getting bank is probably better than doing interiors and constant deadlines.

Also, I don't think Campbell needs to go back to interiors to reach Jim Lee status. He is already there.

I also don't think Jim Lee had to go back to doing interiors, I thing he *wanted* to do that run.

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I also don't think Jim Lee had to go back to doing interiors, I thing he *wanted* to do that run.

Jim Lee has more storyteller in him than JSC. I can see JSC taking a creative director position at Disney someday.