Elly De La Cruz

[Rooftop]

Kid needs a 180# slump buster

[corndog]

Reminds me of the legendary Pedro Cerrano.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

Round table discussion this week with some "experts" on MLB and just about all of them agree this young man is a star in the making. He has had some struggles, but most do in rookie year or the old sophomore slump. The kid has all of the tools and there isn't a GM in the league that wouldnt want him (according to them).

I agree with the sentiment that "everything sucks" a lot of the time here, unless they are setting records, but that is the nature of the hobby currently (which also sucks according to many posts here). When a player has 50+ rookie cards serial numbered, and fetches more than the greats that are in Cooperstown, that is going to be the nature of the beast.

I think he has a bright future. I do not believe it will be with the Reds, because of money, but in a few years, we will look back at this thread and chuckle a bit.

Sure, rookies come up and have some struggles. But most stars, or stars in the making, don't come up and struggle for multiple months without showing any signs of improvement.

Elly hit .307 in June. Dropped to .238 in July and then down to .198 in August. Strikeouts have increased each month. OBP and SLG have decreased each month.

I absolutely agree he's got the tools to be a star. But I also believe he's maybe not quite ready to be at the highest level. Not that it's going to happen now, but I believe a send down could have been beneficial for him, even just to give him a little break and maybe get some confidence back at the plate. The Cardinals did it with Jordan Walker

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by cardozo

I’m waiting for the Ohio lawyer to tell us Elly is doing fine and we are looking at the stats the wrong way.

Nope just sitting back and proving you all will still fill this thread even when it's not in response to Elly fans' "gloating". It's almost sad how all the fans left and this thread is now just a circle jerk of the trolls.

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[KhalDrogo]

Worse investment?

Elly BCA or 2022 Topps Chrome Jumbo case?

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

Round table discussion this week with some "experts" on MLB and just about all of them agree this young man is a star in the making. He has had some struggles, but most do in rookie year or the old sophomore slump. The kid has all of the tools and there isn't a GM in the league that wouldnt want him (according to them).

I agree with the sentiment that "everything sucks" a lot of the time here, unless they are setting records, but that is the nature of the hobby currently (which also sucks according to many posts here). When a player has 50+ rookie cards serial numbered, and fetches more than the greats that are in Cooperstown, that is going to be the nature of the beast.

I think he has a bright future. I do not believe it will be with the Reds, because of money, but in a few years, we will look back at this thread and chuckle a bit.

I will say, Elly does have the tools to be successful. I do think if he works on his batting, he could probably easily be a perennial All Star at short stop in the NL.

However, right now, it's a huge red flag how bad he's been. Strikeouts are sky high, low average, low OBP...etc

[SupermanBrandon]

I’ll reserve my judgement until next season. He needs to get astronomically better between the ears, while in the batters box in order to be and sustain superstar production status. The mental aspect and putting in actual work is really tough. This off-season will us what he’s made of. Does he just rely on his talent and hope that’s enough, or does he put in real work around his very obvious flaws?


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[packman80]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I’ll reserve my judgement until next season. He needs to get astronomically better between the ears, while in the batters box in order to be and sustain superstar production status. The mental aspect and putting in actual work is really tough. This off-season will us what he’s made of. Does he just rely on his talent and hope that’s enough, or does he put in real work around his very obvious flaws?


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Agree give him a full season next year. He either will turn things around find a way to become what he was in June or he will become what we are seeing a guy who will be likely just another average player.

[jhssketchcards]

Every single top prospect has “the tools to be successful”. Some are 4-tool, some are 5-tool. They all have the talent, but many, many lack the biggest… making adjustments. That’s what makes the difference. Many don’t know how to handle failure, and struggle worse when they hit a wall like Elly has. I personally think GMs would rather have kid who can make adjustments and be a 3-4 tool guy, then spend 4-5 years trying to make it happen with a 5 tool player.
Carlos Correa was billed as the next great SS and had all the tools, ceiling etc. Each year hobbyists and fans said “oh it’s this year” and it never happened. He’s never hit 30 HR or 100 RBI. Only once did he get over .900 OPS, but he was special at point. Now, he’s slower, doesn’t steal bases, and little power, but his defense is still good. It was always said “he’s still young and has time”, but his time is past. He’s on the decline and may not last 15 years. Happens to many top prospects.


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[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I will say, Elly does have the tools to be successful. I do think if he works on his batting, he could probably easily be a perennial All Star at short stop in the NL.

However, right now, it's a huge red flag how bad he's been. Strikeouts are sky high, low average, low OBP...etc

*** all the PHYSICAL tools, which are only a small part of the equation for baseball. Elly has shown virtually nothing in terms of the skills that make a good hitter.

[hermanotarjeta]

It’s still scary to think that buy-in prices for the “next hobby Trout” is still in the $1500-$2000 range for psa 10s - do people still have that much money to speculate on?

Starting with vladdy, tatis, Soto, acuna, wander, jrod, Jasson, ellly and for the future jacksons people are still betting high they will turn that $2000 to $10,000+ for a base chrome auto.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s still scary to think that buy-in prices for the “next hobby Trout” is still in the $1500-$2000 range for psa 10s - do people still have that much money to speculate on?

Starting with vladdy, tatis, Soto, acuna, wander, jrod, Jasson, ellly and for the future jacksons people are still betting high they will turn that $2000 to $10,000+ for a base chrome auto.

get used to it, initial high prices are here to stay

[OneSickDegen]

The only cure for pumping and inflated pricing is more pumping and inflated pricing.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

get used to it, initial high prices are here to stay

Should I get a higher paying job as well?

It’s funny that titanic train wrecks in failed prospecting just gets speculators to try even harder next time by paying even more on their next project, lol.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Should I get a higher paying job as well?

couldnt hurt!

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Nope just sitting back and proving you all will still fill this thread even when it's not in response to Elly fans' "gloating". It's almost sad how all the fans left and this thread is now just a circle jerk of the trolls.

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Maybe they left Because they weren’t fans but just pumpers and it’s tough to pump right now.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by OneSickDegen

The only cure for pumping and inflated pricing is more pumping and inflated pricing.

When hungover, drink MOAR!

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Nope just sitting back and proving you all will still fill this thread even when it's not in response to Elly fans' "gloating". It's almost sad how all the fans left and this thread is now just a circle jerk of the trolls.

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Pretty much how every player thread goes.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

*** all the PHYSICAL tools, which are only a small part of the equation for baseball. Elly has shown virtually nothing in terms of the skills that make a good hitter.

As have many before and will after. People are excited about The Martians homer (and should be), but I remember Will Clark homering off Nolan Ryan his first AB. He didn’t make the HOF.


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[awz50]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Nope just sitting back and proving you all will still fill this thread even when it's not in response to Elly fans' "gloating". It's almost sad how all the fans left and this thread is now just a circle jerk of the trolls.

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This is Blowout player threads in a nutshell

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by awz50

This is Blowout player threads in a nutshell

Not the Tatis thread. That one is dead.

[fishepa]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s still scary to think that buy-in prices for the “next hobby Trout” is still in the $1500-$2000 range for psa 10s - do people still have that much money to speculate on?

Starting with vladdy, tatis, Soto, acuna, wander, jrod, Jasson, ellly and for the future jacksons people are still betting high they will turn that $2000 to $10,000+ for a base chrome auto.

No, the majority of people don't have that much money to speculate. They probably have insane credit card debt.

[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I will say, Elly does have the tools to be successful. I do think if he works on his batting, he could probably easily be a perennial All Star at short stop in the NL.

However, right now, it's a huge red flag how bad he's been. Strikeouts are sky high, low average, low OBP...etc

I’ll also add that a lot of people on this board seem to think hitting .300 is still the measuring stick in MLB. Less than 10 players are hitting over .300 this year.

Half of which have also been labeled junk or never was beens here : )

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

I’ll also add that a lot of people on this board seem to think hitting .300 is still the measuring stick in MLB. Less than 10 players are hitting over .300 this year.

Half of which have also been labeled junk or never was beens here : )

There are many here that think being fast and having a strong arm makes one a star


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

I’ll also add that a lot of people on this board seem to think hitting .300 is still the measuring stick in MLB. Less than 10 players are hitting over .300 this year.

Half of which have also been labeled junk or never was beens here : )

Of those hitting .300, 1 of them is the AL MVP frontrunner, 3 of them are the top 3 in the NL MVP race, 1 is going to win Comeback player of the year, 1 is Bo Bichette, and 1 is Bryce Harper. That's a lot of hobby good and baseball good players.

And, no, I don't think a lot of people here use .300 as the measuring stick. .270 gets you top 50 in the league. And Usually stars and superstars are pretty good all around.

Whatever sort of number you want to use, I'm sure it's not under .250 with an obp under .300. And it sure as hell isn't .178 after the all star break.