2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[IronMonkey415]

Things need to deescalate tonight before the Terries and their pressure cooker bomb show up.

They leave the device and no one see a damn thing. You all those crazy lone wolf type.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

To many variables can spoof an ip, uses hops all kinds of stuff.

I’m sure the Twitter security experts are more sophisticated than the average Joe. This seems like a weird conspiracy theory to latch onto, even for you.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

The problem?

I went to a Padres game last March during opening weekend. A few hours before the game I went for a walk around Petco. I came around one corner and there wer dozens of cop cars line up, and the officers were unloading their gear. Several were snipers like this guy. I asked if there was a special guest or event during the game, and they said it was standard. They do it for any large gathering. Marathons, concerts, conventions, etc.

I have been to hundreds of concerts and probably over 50 sporting events. Never in my life have I seen anyone carrying a sniper rifle like that

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I get where you're coming from with #5, but I think we answered that question differently based on interpretation of the possible answers.

I answered the second one, but not because the police are attacking the media because they are the media, but they are doing it out of the incompetence portion of the answer and just straight up aren't thinking things through before acting.

I just have a hard time believing the reporters aren't easily distinguishable from the protesters and rioters. Yea, when they are running away with the crowd due to tear gas or something, then I could see them getting hit by accident.

But when they are standing there with a microphone, usually not directly in the middle of a protest but more off to the side/edge of it, with someone holding a camera and filming them, it's pretty clear they're a media member covering the protest.

Maybe the answer to this is media members start wearing bright colored vests in situations like this, similar to how sports photographers have on the vests while on the sideline, be very easy to know who they are at times like this.

I don't disagree with anything here.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Are you sure you're not confusing a sniper rifle with an assault rifle?

I've been to countless events in my life and always seen police with military style assault rifles at them, but I have never once seen a sniper rifle.

Not saying they might not be there, I've just never seen it once before myself.

They didn't have suppressors like this guy, but were bolt action. There were also guys with ARs.

And like I said, this was hours before the game, so im guessing the get hidden before the crowds start arriving. I kept looking in the lights towers and roof tops to see if i could spot them, but never did. Trying to look into the light towers while they're on though isn't easy, probably a good place to be hidden.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I’m sure the Twitter security experts are more sophisticated than the average Joe. This seems like a weird conspiracy theory to latch onto, even for you.

There is no detail in the article stating how they got the information. Could be true, could be false. Article in my eyes is a wash. Not trying to make it a conspiracy at all. Just need facts before I believe any news source.

[cking]

Imagine if this cop gets acquitted of these charges.

The entire country will burn to the ground.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

There is no detail in the article stating how they got the information. Could be true, could be false. Article in my eyes is a wash. Not trying to make it a conspiracy at all. Just need facts before I believe any news source.

I don't think Twitter or Facebook are going to give any details on their methods for detecting bots and violations. I understand your point and speculation I just can't see those companies releasing those types of details.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I have been to hundreds of concerts and probably over 50 sporting events. Never in my life have I seen anyone carrying a sniper rifle like that

Trust me they are there. You might not see them but they are there if they feel it’s necessary.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by cking

Imagine if this cop gets acquitted of these charges.

The entire country will burn to the ground.

Lets not.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by cking

Imagine if this cop gets acquitted of these charges.

The entire country will burn to the ground.

That was my thought a few days ago. I dont' believe there's any chance he's acquitted, but I'd worry about a hung jury.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

They didn't have suppressors like this guy, but were bolt action. There were also guys with ARs.

And like I said, this was hours before the game, so im guessing the get hidden before the crowds start arriving. I kept looking in the lights towers and roof tops to see if i could spot them, but never did. Trying to look into the light towers while they're on though isn't easy, probably a good place to be hidden.

I don't think that's a suppressor as it looks to be something just wrapped around the barrel of the gun, not attached to the end of it.

I think it's just a padding wrapped around it for when he is in position, so the metal barrel isn't up against whatever he is propping the gun on.

Admittedly I'm not gun expert, but that's what it looks like to me

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Trust me they are there. You might not see them but they are there if they feel it’s necessary.

You do realize that picture is from the Super Bowl though, right?

Big difference between that and a normal game.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

That was my thought a few days ago. I dont' believe there's any chance he's acquitted, but I'd worry about a hung jury.

I can't imagine this one going to a trial anyways, gotta be some sort of plea deal in the end.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I don't think Twitter or Facebook are going to give any details on their methods for detecting bots and violations. I understand your point and speculation I just can't see those companies releasing those types of details.

I understand, but being someone in the field just not enough there for me. I mean I taught hacking for a living to DOD students for their advance course and am still involved in the industry.

[TheFrenzy]

Depending on where you sit in the Cotton Bowl, you can usually look over during the pre-game and see security/sniper forces setting up on the Fair Park Tower Building.

(the tower being the gold building next to Big Tex's hand and the Cotton Bowl visible in the background)

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

You do realize that picture is from the Super Bowl though, right?

Big difference between that and a normal game.

You do realize they train for this all the time. Not just the super bowl

https://www.tactical-life.com/lifest...adium-snipers/

[kerg]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Anyone want to take a stab at it?

1. Gathering in a church to worship in accordance with 1st Amendment rights during a pandemic should be:

Legally permitted and socially encouraged

I'm agnostic. Haven't been to a church in years other than for a funeral/wedding. However, I know it plays a big part in peoples lives from both a spirtual/mental well being. Plus, I'm not entirely sure what 'socially discouraged means'. If social discouraging is the level that some people took in over the top theatrics of "Grandma Killer" then no.


2. Gathering to protest in accordance with 1st Amendment rights during a pandemic should be:

Legally permitted and socially encouraged

When people were complaining about protests of the lockouts and yipping there shouldn't be no protests during a pandemic, I posed the question of 'What would be allowable for a protest". Well, guess what is going on now answers that question.

3. George Floyd died as a result of:

The same kind of police brutality that affects all races and is unacceptable
- Poor decision-making by the police that was unfortunate and complicated by underlying conditions but did not rise to the level of "brutality"

First one however, poor decision making will never be removed from the equation regardless.

4. The media coverage of the protests should:

- Downplay the threat of COVID-19

I think the reactions to COVID-19 have been all over the map for the last 3 months. There is nothing I believe anymore about any of this.

5. The instances of media members being arrested / struck by police projectiles represents:

- The unfortunate, but inevitable, outcome of inserting one's self into the midst of chaotic riots wherein targets can easily be misidentified and orders misunderstood

Things happen. One could easily suggest that maybe the crews are inserting themselves a little more in certain situations and taking risks because of the potential for being struck and having more of a story.

6. When it comes to "protestors" v "rioters":

- I feel like I can easily tell them apart and my views of one group do not affect my views of the other

7. I believe that the most violent and destructive of the rioters are actually:

- Opportunistic locals who care little for Mr. Floyd
- Opportunistic outsiders who are selfishly engaging in "chaos tourism"
- ANTIFA/Red Guard/Anarchist Leftists

One of my friends went to the protests in North Carolina to observe and document. He split the group as 40/40/10/10 from what he saw. 40% legit protesters, 40% clearly in Antifa or Anarchist garb, 10% thrill seekers and 10% observation. I have no reason to not believe his and based on reading various stories, I would tend to lean this way.

8. During these heightened times, I am finding the more trustworthy source to be:

All of the above, but only by fact-checking each against the other

Verify, verify, verify... I trust nothing.

9. Generally speaking, I consider the widespread destruction of property to be:

100% criminal and it only hurts the message of the protestors

10. In response to the rioting and looting, I feel that:

- In light of multiple failings by state and local governments to contain the riots, the national guard should actively engage with the rioters and suppress them

Gotta clean it up. Sorry, but you can just wantonly destroy everything. If you think it is just corporations and rich people being hurt and insurance is this magic bullet that will cover everything, you are fooling yourself.

11. Finally, after all is said and done, I would like to see:

- Nationwide reform—whether that be increased officer training, greater restrictions placed on the use of force, or requiring former military members to meet the same standards as civilian applicants

I think Police Unions are going to be a big hindrance though.. which is ironic given the affinity for the left to Unions. Getting rid of police and abolishing them is a completely unrealistic goal.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I can't imagine this one going to a trial anyways, gotta be some sort of plea deal in the end.

I'd worry about that too, unless he pleads guilty to all charges. Any kind of deal could be seen as being let off easy.

[TheHeel]

We need some QAnon posts here. None of the Trumpers in here ever question those wacky conspiracy theories. Must be true.

#ClintonBodyCount
#WheresHunter
#TheStorm
#Q

Meanwhile, in Russia.......

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Trust me they are there. You might not see them but they are there if they feel it’s necessary.

Trust him!

He knows all!

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Trust me they are there. You might not see them but they are there if they feel it’s necessary.

I've seen them at college football games I've been to many times. Heck, they had them on the roof of the gym at my brother's high school graduation because a boy that was in his class but wasn't graduating called and said he was going shoot up graduation.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I can't imagine this one going to a trial anyways, gotta be some sort of plea deal in the end.

“Perhaps the most stark example of the crowd-building dynamic is in New York, where the city’s 36,000-officer department regularly goes on high alert for such events as the New Year’s Eve Times Square celebration, the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade, Monday’s Columbus Day parade, even some Yankees games.

For such events, the NYPD puts officers with body armor and high-powered weapons around the perimeter, sharpshooters on nearby rooftops to scan the windows of other buildings for threats, and cops with bullhorns on the streets instructing gawkers in nearby buildings to keep their windows closed.“

Trust me there there at some events. They obviously can’t be at all events though.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

We need some QAnon posts here. None of the Trumpers in here ever question those wacky conspiracy theories. Must be true.

#ClintonBodyCount
#WheresHunter
#TheStorm
#Q

Meanwhile, in Russia.......

The reason people can’t stand you is because you troll. I don’t support blocking members but you sometimes have post that I read and I’m like, “what is this persons purpose”. If you are going to troll 50% of the time don’t expect people to take you seriously the other 50% just a friendly tip.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Trust him!

He knows all!

I think even you know they are there at large events.