2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Floyd died because of a corrupt cop, who never should've had the chance had he been fired for all his other offenses up to that point.



Solid contribution.

Should have been fired by Democratic leaders, but it did not happen and now the man is dead, and people are burning down cities and attacking innocent civilians, but lets blame it on orange man bad. All the time lines of what has happened leading up to this guy not being fired before, still having a job with power, kneeling on a mans neck causing his death, the looting and violence is because Democrats turn their backs on the people of those cities.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

If this had been addressed maybe...ya know, there wouldn't be riots right now?

All he wanted to do is the thoughts and prayers bit.

Trump is already hated by so many of the rioters, and probably protestors too.

So you want him to focus on fixing race relations .. Which you know he can't accomplish .. Which even if he could, would take many years, since they go back hundreds of years .. All while cities burn. Genius.

[hairysasquatch]

Know who are fans of masks? The KKK!

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

Trump is already hated by so many of the rioters, and probably protestors too.

So you want him to focus on fixing race relations .. Which you know he can't accomplish .. Which even if he could, would take many years, since they go back hundreds of years .. All while cities burn. Genius.

Again, maybe if this was being addressed BEFORE this wouldn't have happened.

He's a racist though, so naturally he's not going to help create change.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Floyd died because of a corrupt cop, who never should've had the chance had he been fired for all his other offenses up to that point.

So are you mad at the cop or at the people who didn’t prosecute these guys like Amy Klobuchar? Is the attorney now senator an accessory to the killing? Should she be brought up on charges. The legal system has corruption at all levels.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Again, maybe if this was being addressed BEFORE this wouldn't have happened.

He's a racist though, so naturally he's not going to help create change.

No matter how many times you say it, it never becomes true.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Again, maybe if this was being addressed BEFORE this wouldn't have happened.

He's a racist though, so naturally he's not going to help create change.

Do you not remember chaotic race relations under Obama?

Damn you, Trump!

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Do you have a link to the claim? Nothing in the article says that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn....co/AwOBphuMB7

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

So are you mad at the cop or at the people who didn’t prosecute these guys like Amy Klobuchar? Is the attorney now senator an accessory to the killing? Should she be brought up on charges. The legal system has corruption at all levels.

I am mad at the entire system, it's broken.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Know who are fans of masks? The KKK!

Founded in Tennessee.

Skip to 2:33 for the Tennessee state anthem:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ45NBW9QSI

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I am mad at the entire system, it's broken.

I hear China is gobbling up countries out in the East, you should have a look at their system.

Pretty strong IMHO.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

I'll ask again since no one answered last night when I asked
"Were any of them shot with rubber bullets, pepper spray/ bullets, flash bangs, assaulted etc for their protests? Plenty of the "peaceful"/ verbal protestors the past couple of days have been."

No because they didn't do anything except March and shout.

Now, you have these violent situations where some are trying to protest peacefully but others are rioting. It's a tough situation for anyone to handle. Yes, mistakes will be made because you don't know who's violent and who's not.

[Coach Ditka]

CHICAGO (WLS) -- Members of Black Lives Matter Chicago are among those alleging civil rights issues and an escalation of violence by police at protests over the weekend, and are holding a demonstration calling for the immediate release of protesters taken into custody in the last 72 hours.

Well, better release those "individuals" to help coordinate looting the remaining stores that haven't been destroyed yet.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

Do you not remember chaotic race relations under Obama?

Damn you, Trump!

I remember plenty of it. Which is why I keep saying this will continue. It will be forgotten and go away. Then it will happen again.

I remember the worst part was a guy killing cops in Dallas. Using a protest as his cover I believe. People might not like cops even the good ones. But they fear for their lives like everyone else. Something like that is always on their mind when something like this is going on. The amount of stress cops are under right now in cities 100s or 1000s or miles away from where Floyd was killed were thrown into action. Just remember they want to go home to their families too. We expect all cops to react a certain way under stress yet most of you don’t know how you would react under this type of stress.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

No because they didn't do anything except March and shout.

Now, you have these violent situations where some are trying to protest peacefully but others are rioting. It's a tough situation for anyone to handle. Yes, mistakes will be made because you don't know who's violent and who's not.

Plenty of the non violent/looting protests the past couple of days have been marching/ shouting and they still got attacked by cops. I agree it is a tough situation, however there have been a ton of instances were it wasnt a hard decision and cops still acted inappropriately.

[TheFrenzy]

Anyone want to take a stab at it?

1. Gathering in a church to worship in accordance with 1st Amendment rights during a pandemic should be:

- Legally prohibited
- Legally permitted but socially discouraged
- Legally permitted and socially encouraged

2. Gathering to protest in accordance with 1st Amendment rights during a pandemic should be:

- Legally prohibited
- Legally permitted but socially discouraged
- Legally permitted and socially encouraged

3. George Floyd died as a result of:

- Racially-motivated police brutality indicative of deep-seated systemic racism
- The same kind of police brutality that affects all races and is unacceptable
- Poor decision-making by the police that was unfortunate and complicated by underlying conditions but did not rise to the level of "brutality"

4. The media coverage of the protests should:

- Stress the need for social distancing similar to how they had done for all reports of large gatherings just the week before
- Downplay the threat of COVID-19
- Completely ignore COVID-19 while covering the protests

5. The instances of media members being arrested / struck by police projectiles represents:

- The unfortunate, but inevitable, outcome of inserting one's self into the midst of chaotic riots wherein targets can easily be misidentified and orders misunderstood
- The actions of a few corrupt/incompetent officers, but not a system-wide conspiracy
- A coordinated attempt to suppress the press and signal to Trump supporters that the media are the enemy of the people

6. When it comes to "protestors" v "rioters":

- I feel like I can easily tell them apart and my views of one group do not affect my views of the other
- I recognize that different groups have different aims right now, but it is often hard to tell them apart
- I see them as one and the same

7. I believe that the most violent and destructive of the rioters are actually:

- Frustrated locals expressing themselves the only way they can under the circumstances
- Opportunistic locals who care little for Mr. Floyd
- Opportunistic outsiders who are selfishly engaging in "chaos tourism"
- Undercover police/white supremacists engaging in "agent provocateur" tactics
- ANTIFA/Red Guard/Anarchist Leftists
- Foreign actors

8. During these heightened times, I am finding the more trustworthy source to be:

- Twitter
- Facebook
- Right-leaning media (Ex. FOX News)
- Left-leaning media (Ex. MSNBC)
- International media (Ex. BBC News)
- Various livestreams
- Blowout Cards
- None of the above
- All of the above, but only by fact-checking each against the other

9. Generally speaking, I consider the widespread destruction of property to be:

- Both fair and good—stores like Target will be just fine and these people deserve to express their frustration through violence at this point
- Not good, but understandable to the point where I would only support the prosecution of the most egregious rioters
- I see both sides and have a completely neutral view
- Not good and I support the prosecution of those who can be identified, but I think we should be focusing more on the protestors' message
- 100% criminal and it only hurts the message of the protestors
- 100% criminal and it has caused me to stop listening to the message of the protestors

10. In response to the rioting and looting, I feel that:

- The government should just let this play out and we'll focus on cleaning up the mess later
- Local police forces should simply monitor the riots and ensure that emergency services like ambulances and fire trucks can operate, but should otherwise not engage
- The national guard should assist the local police in monitoring the riots and ensuring that emergency services like ambulances and fire trucks can operate, but should otherwise not engage
- In light of multiple failings by state and local governments to contain the riots, the national guard should actively engage with the rioters and suppress them
- In light of multiple failings by state and local governments to contain the riots, the national guard should establish martial law and end the riots by whatever means necessary

11. Finally, after all is said and done, I would like to see:

- An even stronger police force with less oversight
- Nothing change
- Problematic departments identified and reformed through increased officer accountability
- Nationwide reform—whether that be increased officer training, greater restrictions placed on the use of force, or requiring former military members to meet the same standards as civilian applicants
- Major nationwide reforms to bring us more in line with Western European and Japanese styles of policing
- The complete overhaul of our nation's police force and possibly even the reduction of its size
- #### the police and abolish the entire institution

[TheFrenzy]

(yeah yeah yeah, I know, "I didn't log onto Blowout to take a test!" I got it.)

[RedSoxFan28]

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status...06149601398786

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status...06149601398786

You believe that an officer just went swinging into the crowd?

If that's true, fired. But I'd like to see what happened first. To bad the video doesn't show it.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Anyone want to take a stab at it?

1. Gathering in a church to worship in accordance with 1st Amendment rights during a pandemic should be:

- Legally prohibited
- Legally permitted but socially discouraged
- Legally permitted and socially encouraged

2. Gathering to protest in accordance with 1st Amendment rights during a pandemic should be:

- Legally prohibited
- Legally permitted but socially discouraged
- Legally permitted and socially encouraged

3. George Floyd died as a result of:

- Racially-motivated police brutality indicative of deep-seated systemic racism
- The same kind of police brutality that affects all races and is unacceptable
- Poor decision-making by the police that was unfortunate and complicated by underlying conditions but did not rise to the level of "brutality"

4. The media coverage of the protests should:

- Stress the need for social distancing similar to how they had done for all reports of large gatherings just the week before
- Downplay the threat of COVID-19
- Completely ignore COVID-19 while covering the protests

5. The instances of media members being arrested / struck by police projectiles represents:

- The unfortunate, but inevitable, outcome of inserting one's self into the midst of chaotic riots wherein targets can easily be misidentified and orders misunderstood
- The actions of a few corrupt/incompetent officers, but not a system-wide conspiracy
- A coordinated attempt to suppress the press and signal to Trump supporters that the media are the enemy of the people

6. When it comes to "protestors" v "rioters":

- I feel like I can easily tell them apart and my views of one group do not affect my views of the other
- I recognize that different groups have different aims right now, but it is often hard to tell them apart
- I see them as one and the same

7. I believe that the most violent and destructive of the rioters are actually:

- Frustrated locals expressing themselves the only way they can under the circumstances
- Opportunistic locals who care little for Mr. Floyd
- Opportunistic outsiders who are selfishly engaging in "chaos tourism"
- Undercover police/white supremacists engaging in "agent provocateur" tactics
- ANTIFA/Red Guard/Anarchist Leftists
- Foreign actors

7. During these heightened times, I am finding the more trustworthy source to be:

- Twitter
- Facebook
- Right-leaning media (Ex. FOX News)
- Left-leaning media (Ex. MSNBC)
- International media (Ex. BBC News)
- Various livestreams
- Blowout Cards
- None of the above
- All of the above, but only by fact-checking each against the other

8. Generally speaking, I consider the widespread destruction of property to be:

- Both fair and good—stores like Target will be just fine and these people deserve to express their frustration through violence at this point
- Not good, but understandable to the point where I would only support the prosecution of the most egregious rioters
- I see both sides and have a completely neutral view
- Not good and I support the prosecution of those who can be identified, but I think we should be focusing more on the protestors' message
- 100% criminal and it only hurts the message of the protestors
- 100% criminal and it has caused me to stop listening to the message of the protestors

9. In response to the rioting and looting, I feel that:

- The government should just let this play out and we'll focus on cleaning up the mess later
- Local police forces should simply monitor the riots and ensure that emergency services like ambulances and fire trucks can operate, but should otherwise not engage
- The national guard should assist the local police in monitoring the riots and ensuring that emergency services like ambulances and fire trucks can operate, but should otherwise not engage
- In light of multiple failings by state and local governments to contain the riots, the national guard should actively engage with the rioters and suppress them
- In light of multiple failings by state and local governments to contain the riots, the national guard should establish martial law and end the riots by whatever means necessary

10. Finally, after all is said and done, I would like to see:

- An even stronger police force with less oversight
- Nothing change
- Problematic departments identified and reformed through increased officer accountability
- Nationwide reform—whether that be increased officer training, greater restrictions placed on the use of force, or requiring former military members to meet the same standards as civilian applicants
- Major nationwide reforms to bring us more in line with Western European and Japanese styles of policing
- The complete overhaul of our nation's police force and possibly even the reduction of its size
- #### the police and abolish the entire institution

Are we supposed to highlight our answers, Mr. TheFrenzy?
Can this quiz be submitted on Canvas?
TBH - I had a blast designing maddeningly hard multiple-choice Canvas quizzes this Spring and I have added it to my repertoire of torture techniques for the future.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Are we supposed to highlight our answers, Mr. TheFrenzy?
Can this quiz be submitted on Canvas?
TBH - I had a blast designing maddeningly hard multiple-choice Canvas quizzes this Spring and I have added it to my repertoire of torture techniques for the future.

I forgot my number 2 pencil so I’m out

[trixstar]

https://wrex.com/2020/06/01/illinois...chicago-riots/

Illinois man arrested on federal charged related to Minnesota, Chicago riots

[hostilecarrot]

A lot of people who’ve never had to protest anything in their lives are offering their opinions on how protests should look and what protestors should/shouldn’t be doing.

We do not care.

Create a GoFundMe for Gucci.
Donate your next paycheck to Target.
Take your favorite broom to CVS and clean up the mess.
Go be the change you believe in.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

https://wrex.com/2020/06/01/illinois...chicago-riots/

Illinois man arrested on federal charged related to Minnesota, Chicago riots

Xcellent.

The editors of this website could use some work, but happy to read him "and his associates" LOL are locked up tightly.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by hostilecarrot

A lot of people who’ve never had to protest anything in their lives are offering their opinions on how protests should look and what protestors should/shouldn’t be doing.

We do not care.

Create a GoFundMe for Gucci.
Donate your next paycheck to Target.
Take your favorite broom to CVS and clean up the mess.
Go be the change you believe in.

I think the proper avatar is in order ...