NBA Finals Poll: Raptors vs. Warriors - Page 71

ninjacookies · 06-11-2019, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pennywise

I just read this about Achilles injuries:

"According to a 2013 medical study that identified 18 players who suffered major Achilles injuries over a 23-year span (1988-2011), seven players never returned to the league. Players who returned missed an average of 56 games and saw their PER decline in their first and second seasons back. A 2015 CBS Sports article found that among 14 players who returned from Achilles injuries since 1992, they averaged fewer minutes while both their field goal and three-point percentages dropped, on average. There are very few complete success stories."

Hoping KD can make a full recovery but historically speaking, it doesn't look like a 100% return to form is even on the table. Obviously, I don't know or claim to know the severity of Durant's injury but from what I've read, it doesn't look good for him if this is a complete tear of the tendon. Certainly what it looked like in that close-up video.

Odds certainly don't favor him. It hinders a player's lift and explosiveness, which is everything in basketball. Cousins has had his flashes this year, but he's nowhere near the same player he once was.

Kobe's was a death sentence, but he was already nearing retirement anyways.

The one thing that does favor Durant a bit is that he'll always have a massive size advantage, especially with his long arms. So perhaps he'll learn to adapt his game more to extend his longevity.

pingbling23 · 06-11-2019, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Odds certainly don't favor him. It hinders a player's lift and explosiveness, which is everything in basketball. Cousins has had his flashes this year, but he's nowhere near the same player he once was.

Kobe's was a death sentence, but he was already nearing retirement anyways.

The one thing that does favor Durant a bit is that he'll always have a massive size advantage, especially with his long arms. So perhaps he'll learn to adapt his game more to extend his longevity.

That’s a good point about his length.

NinjaJohnny · 06-11-2019, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pennywise

I just read this about Achilles injuries:

"According to a 2013 medical study that identified 18 players who suffered major Achilles injuries over a 23-year span (1988-2011), seven players never returned to the league. Players who returned missed an average of 56 games and saw their PER decline in their first and second seasons back. A 2015 CBS Sports article found that among 14 players who returned from Achilles injuries since 1992, they averaged fewer minutes while both their field goal and three-point percentages dropped, on average. There are very few complete success stories."

Hoping KD can make a full recovery but historically speaking, it doesn't look like a 100% return to form is even on the table. Obviously, I don't know or claim to know the severity of Durant's injury but from what I've read, it doesn't look good for him if this is a complete tear of the tendon. Certainly what it looked like in that close-up video.

It's really bad. Warriors GM and medical team were reckless here.

ninjacookies · 06-11-2019, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

That’s a good point about his length.

Yeah, plus his shooting range. He's got a lot more advantages over most that sustained the same injury. But it's still tough because he'll most likely never have the same type of explosiveness as before.

I'd bet almost any professional athlete would rather suffer any other type of major injury other than an achilles if they were forced to choose. Bad situation.

clipperboy24 · 06-11-2019, 12:17 AM

Just watched the DVR of the game, why the heck did nick nurse call that timeout. Suck a rookie mistake, you have crazy momentum and are on a 9-0 run and you ice your own team? That was one of the worst coaching decisions I have ever seen. They scored 2 points after that over the last 3 minutes

kd the sniper · 06-11-2019, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pennywise

I just read this about Achilles injuries:

"According to a 2013 medical study that identified 18 players who suffered major Achilles injuries over a 23-year span (1988-2011), seven players never returned to the league. Players who returned missed an average of 56 games and saw their PER decline in their first and second seasons back. A 2015 CBS Sports article found that among 14 players who returned from Achilles injuries since 1992, they averaged fewer minutes while both their field goal and three-point percentages dropped, on average. There are very few complete success stories."

Hoping KD can make a full recovery but historically speaking, it doesn't look like a 100% return to form is even on the table. Obviously, I don't know or claim to know the severity of Durant's injury but from what I've read, it doesn't look good for him if this is a complete tear of the tendon. Certainly what it looked like in that close-up video.

Dominique Wilkins actually averaged 29 per game the next season after tearing his. Up 1 point from the prior year. Not many success stories in the nba after that.

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duwal · 06-11-2019, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by codered

Easy now. You’re coming across as a punk.

It was absolutely disgusting that fans were cheering when Durant got hurt. He’s one of the best in the world and I hate that he’s hurt again but let’s not act like this is the first or last time fans cheer an injury. Geez warriors fans were chanting “warriors, warriors” like some pathetic extras from the movie the warriors as Fred VanVleet lay with blood gushing from his face. Is it okay to cheer because the degree of injury is perceived to be as serious? No it’s not. Hell you’re obviously a niners fan and I’m sure you will remember Seattle fans throwing popcorn and trash at bowman as he was carted off with injury.

Cheering when a player gets injured is truly classless. I as a lifelong raptors fan apologize on behalf of the true raptors/basketball fans that don’t condone this. However don’t act like this is an isolated incident to Canadians and raptors fans

Maybe don't jump to conclusions. The Golden State crowd was chanting the chant because it was showing the Warriors chant on the Titantron. They do this several times a game when there is a stoppage of play. They were NOT chanting it BECAUSE of the injury but chanting it while the game was on pause and Vanvleet was getting treatment

tjforce · 06-11-2019, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Odds certainly don't favor him. It hinders a player's lift and explosiveness, which is everything in basketball. Cousins has had his flashes this year, but he's nowhere near the same player he once was.

Kobe's was a death sentence, but he was already nearing retirement anyways.

The one thing that does favor Durant a bit is that he'll always have a massive size advantage, especially with his long arms. So perhaps he'll learn to adapt his game more to extend his longevity.

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

That’s a good point about his length.

It’s nice to be optimistic, but If it’s full blown Achilles we’ve likely seen the best of KD. If he’s done for 2019-20, that means we won’t see him until he’s 32.

no10pin · 06-11-2019, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by clipperboy24

Just watched the DVR of the game, why the heck did nick nurse call that timeout. Suck a rookie mistake, you have crazy momentum and are on a 9-0 run and you ice your own team? That was one of the worst coaching decisions I have ever seen. They scored 2 points after that over the last 3 minutes

Yeah, I was trying to figure that out when he did it. They took control of the game for the first time and he put a stop to it. GS started making shots again as soon as they came back from that time out.

clipperboy24 · 06-11-2019, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

It’s nice to be optimistic, but If it’s full blown ACL we’ve likely seen the best of KD. If he’s done for 2019-20, that means we won’t see him until he’s 32.

Achilles and ACL are very different but I see them used interchangeably on here. I thought it was an Achilles injury, which is usually very painful. ACL is usually less painful by a lot

tjforce · 06-11-2019, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by clipperboy24

Achilles and ACL are very different but I see them used interchangeably on here. I thought it was an Achilles injury, which is usually very painful. ACL is usually less painful by a lot

Ya, typo on my part. Meant Achilles.

clipperboy24 · 06-11-2019, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Yeah, I was trying to figure that out when he did it. They took control of the game for the first time and he put a stop to it. GS started making shots again as soon as they came back from that time out.

It was just the worst decision possible. Opposing coaches are supposed to call the timeouts, lol. So sad

ninjacookies · 06-11-2019, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

It’s nice to be optimistic, but If it’s full blown Achilles we’ve likely seen the best of KD. If he’s done for 2019-20, that means we won’t see him until he’s 32.

Severity will be key. Though I still think he won't be the same player regardless of the level. He'll have to adapt his game around it.

elee712 · 06-11-2019, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dnic

Where is the clown exitblue??

You are the Raptors version of EMB. What are you calling him out for?

Cavaliercards · 06-11-2019, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Severity will be key. Though I still think he won't be the same player regardless of the level. He'll have to adapt his game around it.

Yep and a lot of other players just moved up the FA list

Rip67vdub · 06-11-2019, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NinjaJohnny

It's really bad. Warriors GM and medical team were reckless here.

It was a collaborative decision including KD. Not sure what you're talking about.

clipperboy24 · 06-11-2019, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip67vdub

It was a collaborative decision including KD. Not sure what you're talking about.

I would imagine KD felt some pressure to play. Hopefully it didn’t ruin his career

Cavaliercards · 06-11-2019, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by clipperboy24

I would imagine KD felt some pressure to play. Hopefully it didn’t ruin his career

He has a bad workout over weekend and shows he isn’t ready.

They say he will practice and get extra work against younger guys. He practices less and doesn’t do extra work.

Nothing in the last 96 hours says he should have played. This was a colossal screwup and Warriors should have sat him

mfw13 · 06-11-2019, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dnic

Only thing that kept Golden State in the game was their 3pt shots watch next game when that isn't dropping they lose again

This may be the stupidest statement I have ever seen....the team that shoots better from 3 wins pretty much every game. You could have said the exact same thing in reverse when Toronto was hitting everything in sight (Game 3, for example) and the Warriors were cold from deep.

The team that makes more shots usually wins.....

mfw13 · 06-11-2019, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Yeah, I was trying to figure that out when he did it. They took control of the game for the first time and he put a stop to it. GS started making shots again as soon as they came back from that time out.

It was a use it or lose it situation. You're only allowed two timeouts in the last three minutes, and Toronto had three left.

Still a bad decision, though....

mfw13 · 06-11-2019, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip67vdub

It was a collaborative decision including KD. Not sure what you're talking about.

If anything, KD was probably bugging the medical team to let him play sooner. No player wants to miss any more time than he has to.

And while the Achilles injury is unfortunate, there's no evidence (and likely never will be) that it is in any way related to the calf injury. Just bad luck....

NinjaJohnny · 06-11-2019, 01:29 AM

Players always want to compete and win, but the job of the GM and medical staff is to step in and make sure something like that doesn't happen. I'm sorry, but I feel the decision to put him in that situation was either reckless, inept, or a combination of the two.

Litwing · 06-11-2019, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Yeah, I was trying to figure that out when he did it. They took control of the game for the first time and he put a stop to it. GS started making shots again as soon as they came back from that time out.

This is really the worse time out never seen.

Raptors should win this game..

Rip67vdub · 06-11-2019, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

This may be the stupidest statement I have ever seen....the team that shoots better from 3 wins pretty much every game. You could have said the exact same thing in reverse when Toronto was hitting everything in sight (Game 3, for example) and the Warriors were cold from deep.

The team that makes more shots usually wins.....

Don’t mind him. He’s just tilted these Golden State “scrubs” are still in it.

cp312 · 06-11-2019, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Litwing

This is really the worse time out never seen.

Raptors should win this game..

And then he didn't call one with 15 secs left down by 1, questionable.

I also felt like on the last play vanvleet could have just drove to the hoop for a runner or layup because he was past boogie when he passed to Kyle, oh well, onto the next game. Without Durant starting that game the Warriors would've lost imo

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06-11-2019, 12:17 AM	#1755
clipperboy24 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,628	Just watched the DVR of the game, why the heck did nick nurse call that timeout. Suck a rookie mistake, you have crazy momentum and are on a 9-0 run and you ice your own team? That was one of the worst coaching decisions I have ever seen. They scored 2 points after that over the last 3 minutes __________________ Looking for nice cards of Mfiondu Kabengele

06-11-2019, 01:29 AM	#1772
NinjaJohnny Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Ohio Posts: 429	Players always want to compete and win, but the job of the GM and medical staff is to step in and make sure something like that doesn't happen. I'm sorry, but I feel the decision to put him in that situation was either reckless, inept, or a combination of the two.