Panini Eminence?

[Scottish Punk]

Well, Panini can only pull these tricks once (logically). Next year, those that only want to spend on the ultra high end will know what to wait for.

As others said, if you truly don't like it. The best thing to do is vote with your wallet and don't buy any or get into group breaks. It is the only way for it to stop. Right now Panini sees their product line emptying each time and have no reason to change.

How many of these are going to trickle into the other sports? Or is basketball the only one able to absorb so many high end sets?

[k13]

Upper Deck Team Canada master collection for $3k still takes the cake for the most overpriced cap there is....where the empty "box" is worth more than majority of the hits.

Compared to that... $5000 sounds like a bargain..

It had stickers too...

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I was just trying to say that as time goes by people seem to care less and less about WHEN a rookie comes out.

Nobody cares that both the 2012-13 flawless and immac products came out after the following season started. Should people care? I don't know. Maybe they should. But they don't. When you talk about Anthony Davis's best rookie, no one says that immac and flawless don't count. Time makes us forget.

My point is that the eminence rookies won't take a long term hit based on the timing of this product. It's yet to be seen what they are and whether they are classified by some as the best but given the price point of the product?? It's likely that it will be.

And sadly, that has an effect on ALL other sets in my opinion.

+1

People just don't remember date after couple years. 12-13 Immaculate was released during Kyrie Irving's 3rd year. And Irving's 12-13 RC auto actually was live in ebay before 11-12 XRC auto.

All these facts, people don't keep up. I even said it 2 years ago, Panini should release 03-04 Flawles Lebron RC /20 in 2013.

[BestRCs]

Does anyone know when the checklist for eminence comes out?

[Bigalloyd13]

Not impressed really. That larry Obrien cut auto is nice, but that's it. Platinum Cards, woooopdy doooooo

[Ultimatewarrick]

cut autos are beautiful and will fetch serious money. everything else.. yikes

[fdjizm]

Can't wait to watch people break this.

[tacoma34]

Slap to the face of their Flawless collectors.

These cheese nuts names for products are hilarious.


Get rid of the stupid precious metal gimic and cut the price you idiots. Pretty soon they will lose even the degenerate gamblers, which has obviously become their primary consumer. This company is so incredibly lucky that group breaks are so popular and they are the only game in town. And they are well aware and take full advantage of it.

[JMarchand1981]

Originally Posted by smalltown

I agree. I think they Could have done so much more with the Silver, Gold and Platinum. Instead of just the logoman - why not the actual player? The Canadian Mint does tons of great designs on their coins.




Insert well designed metals into well designed cards.

Ummmm....that bottom coin is beautiful. I don't speak French. Can you translate what event that is about? What happened in Canada in 1915?

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by JMarchand1981

Ummmm....that bottom coin is beautiful. I don't speak French. Can you translate what event that is about? What happened in Canada in 1915?

It commemorates John McCrae's poem "In Flanders Fields" - both English and French versions are depicted. Here's the English:

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place: and in the sky
The larks still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead: Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved: and now we lie
In Flanders fields!

Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw
The torch: be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields

- In Flanders Fields, John McCrae (1872-1918)

From the tragedies of the First World War came a timeless poem: 2015 marks the 100th anniversary of the poem In Flanders Fields, which was written by Canadian military doctor Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrae amid the horrors of the Second Battle of Ypres in 1915. Through his hauntingly poignant poem, McCrae succeeded in giving a voice to the 60,000 Canadians who ultimately lost their lives in the First World War, and ignited an international effort to keep their legacy alive. To mark this anniversary, this striking coin is a solemn remembrance of the 600,000 Canadians who served their country from 1914 to 1918, and those who made the ultimate sacrifice—lest we forget.

[LuckySlayer]

Looks like Noir meets gold standard.

[alldaytoplay33]

is the price set for $5500 a case/box?

[Harper]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I was just trying to say that as time goes by people seem to care less and less about WHEN a rookie comes out.

Nobody cares that both the 2012-13 flawless and immac products came out after the following season started. Should people care? I don't know. Maybe they should. But they don't. When you talk about Anthony Davis's best rookie, no one says that immac and flawless don't count. Time makes us forget.

My point is that the eminence rookies won't take a long term hit based on the timing of this product. It's yet to be seen what they are and whether they are classified by some as the best but given the price point of the product?? It's likely that it will be.

And sadly, that has an effect on ALL other sets in my opinion.

Thanks for the tip.... I won't buy 2012 immaculate singles either now

[Archangel1775]

I watched the Panini video, I enjoyed the Holly Holm video where she kicks Michael Strahan and Kelly a lot better.

[Andy5]

Originally Posted by BestRCs

Does anyone know when the checklist for eminence comes out?

Probably a day either side of the release date or on the release date. I wish they would release checklists earlier.

[Jblaw1]

I like high end basketball and opened quite a few panini over the last couple of years but this one I will pass. Cuts are nice but only ruth would save a box at the price listed above. For this price you could buy a Cobb, Robinsin and a Wilt, three of the product hits they are showing.

who thinks this is a good idea product!

[shindo03]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I was just trying to say that as time goes by people seem to care less and less about WHEN a rookie comes out.

Nobody cares that both the 2012-13 flawless and immac products came out after the following season started. Should people care? I don't know. Maybe they should. But they don't. When you talk about Anthony Davis's best rookie, no one says that immac and flawless don't count. Time makes us forget.

My point is that the eminence rookies won't take a long term hit based on the timing of this product. It's yet to be seen what they are and whether they are classified by some as the best but given the price point of the product?? It's likely that it will be.

And sadly, that has an effect on ALL other sets in my opinion.

I agree that all other sets are effected, but I don't know about value being effected. NT RPA still trumped Flawless Diamond this year, and I thought it would have been different. I think it's more preference of what you like. If you a GOLD slab in your card, perfect. If you want jewel in your card, perfect. And so on.... I'm going to wait and see. Maybe people don't want the paint pen autos or the cards just hit the limit with people. Who knows....I'm sure the overseas guys will pump up some ridiculous sales. Even after flawless I am more going for NT RPA's and that's what I hear every year. Everyone is different, but I still think the majority consider NT RPA's the true rookie grails. I don't even own a NT RPA, but that's just what want, it never crossed my brain until now "oh i want to sell all my high end and get a Flawless Diamond card." It's always been the NT RPA, and I think it's cause of the heritage, it holds true to the hobby, and I just don't think these cards will bring that.

[inopethflames]

panini always does things well and then some things that are stupid, the same as possibly most companies in this type of market, but they do listen to their consumers in some capacity. after the total joke of the 13-14 nt rap's having more with just jersey trim than with real patches, for the 14-15 year the rap's magically became about 99% real patches. i assume whatever methods they use to collect feedback, that was a consistent negative feedback point and so they actually changed it.

the thing about this eminence that seems stupid to me is actually announcing its 7-10 cards. i think its obvious that any 7 card box will have a major card in it. so that may make it a great break by itself, but in something costing this type of price, why wouldnt you just make every box have a standard 10 cards and if you wanna throw in 3 of the worst cards in boxes with the very best cards, then do that, it just feels like youre being jipped if you were to get a 7 card box. and it seems like panini is either doing it because some of the cards will be incredibly thick, and or they save some amount of money by being able to use those 3 extra cards in other boxes.

i guess itll sell out right away anyway so they wont really have an incentive to do a lot of previewing, but itd be nice if they showed every set in the product starting on next monday or something. im sure they know group breakers will open the majority of this but what single collector is going to preorder this or buy it day 1 without knowing a whole lot of what exactly is in the product.

& finally i think its probably better they just went with the logoman silver/gold/platinum idea than having individually carved players, first of all that wouldnt be done because of the cost to panini, but those hockey cards seem pretty cartoonish to me and i think if put into a product like this itd feel really cheesy.

[regularp]

Finally, a product that's made for people of my ilk. First ten cases on me, fellas.

[byronscott4ever]

While I hope Byron is not in the product, I figure he'd be cheaper than most cards thankfully unless he gets chunked.

[celtxman]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I was just trying to say that as time goes by people seem to care less and less about WHEN a rookie comes out.

Nobody cares that both the 2012-13 flawless and immac products came out after the following season started. Should people care? I don't know. Maybe they should. But they don't. When you talk about Anthony Davis's best rookie, no one says that immac and flawless don't count. Time makes us forget.

My point is that the eminence rookies won't take a long term hit based on the timing of this product. It's yet to be seen what they are and whether they are classified by some as the best but given the price point of the product?? It's likely that it will be.

And sadly, that has an effect on ALL other sets in my opinion.

And thus the problem of investing not just money, but big money into what you've been lead to believe is the best RC, only to get the sickly feeling that you've been trumped. For a long time we had Exquisite and clear direction of not only the product but also the timing. Now it is left up to the Panini Ethics Team and as we know they have drained the Flawless collector dry before secretively getting together Eminence.
I understand your quest to have a clearly defined best RC. I'm cut from the same cloth. So for me it doesn't matter when the release of the best RC is provided that it is before the next season. Or in the case of 2012/13 Immaculate, some sort of knowledge of the product release if there is an exception made that is sanctioned by say the NBA for a legitimate reason and everybody knows about it. Then you can make decisions accordingly.