Super Rare Arod Autograph Error Question 1:614,088 Packs

[MetDude]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

All I want to do is enforce the COA or warranty on the card.

Each autograph card is certified as to being an authentic autograph card.

With the autograph missing it cannot be authenrtic.

The warranty for a replacement expired 6 years ago
You are not the original owner.
You did not pull it from the box and get shorted a hit.

Per DUWALS link the actual 1/1 auto is a superfractor
Yours is clearly not a superfractor.

What you are trying to do is turn lead into gold.

You deserve NOTHING

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by duwal

actually for the Alex Rodriguez Throwback parallel autograph card it was the 1/1 Superfractor, the xfractor versions #/25, refractor versions #/50 and then the regular chrome version which was #/99

2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs Baseball Checklist - sportscard-checklists.net

I am sorry but that site might contain some wrong information as there were no superfractors for the arod throwback cards.

This can probably be verified through Topps and the link below.

2005 Bowman Chrome Baseball Box - Complete Set Checklist

[duwal]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

There were no superfractors for the throwback cards.

It says right there in the beginning of the checklist.

I don't think Topps has the info on their site but you miht be able to cal or email and double check with them.

there is and it is actually stated on the very bottom in the checklist link that you yourself put up as well as the link that I included as well

[luck15hope]

Originally Posted by duwal

actually for the Alex Rodriguez Throwback parallel autograph card it was the 1/1 Superfractor, the xfractor versions #/25, refractor versions #/50 and then the regular chrome version which was #/99

2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs Baseball Checklist - sportscard-checklists.net

Correct . . . Last post . . . have fun wasting your time with this guy fellas!

[hche]

His own site stated that the card has a superfractor too. My post got to the bottom of page 6. So repost:

You are wrong. Please read the whole checklist if you are quoting something. From the same site you posted:



2005 Bowman Chrome Baseball - A-Rod Throwback Exclusives Checklist

Base Cards - 4 Per Box
Parallel Cards: Refractor #/499 - X-Fractor #/99
- SuperFractors #1/1 -

A-Rod Throwback Base #94AR 1994
A-Rod Throwback Base #95AR 1995
A-Rod Throwback Base #96AR 1996
A-Rod Throwback Base #97AR 1997

Autograph Parallel Cards
- All Cards Are Refractors - Print Run Shown Below -

A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR 1994 SF #1/1
A-Rod Throwback Autographs #95AR 1995 XF #/25
A-Rod Throwback Autographs #96AR 1996 RF #/50
A-Rod Throwback Autographs #97AR 1997 CH #/99

[MetDude]

Originally Posted by duwal

2005 Bowman Chrome A-Rod Throwback Autographs Baseball Checklist - sportscard-checklists.net

since you cant be bothered to clck the link

94-AR Alex Rodriguez
Seattle Mariners
A-Rod Throwback Autographs SuperFractor AU 1 of 1

[duwal]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

I am sorry but that site might contain some wrong information as there were no superfractors for the arod throwback cards.

This can probably be verified through Topps and the link below.

2005 Bowman Chrome Baseball Box - Complete Set Checklist

your link above states the A-Rod Throwback superfractor version. That is what SF means

[37Jetson]

The OP needs to be immediately banned based on other likely fake autos he was peddling and for the nonsense in this thread. This is how we keep Haiku like scams from happening again.

[mcgahee21nfl]

hi david, this is chippy. too much work. your card isn't a 1/1. topps seemed surprised because of all of this effort. everyone would be.

sorry. nice card if it was auto'd!

[davepeters239]

I dont know what a superfractor really is but again this card has been verified authentic by both Topps and BGS as to what it is.

If you would like to check with Topps that would probably be best but I am 100% sure this is the A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR 1994 SF #1/1 card

[Nick2317]

Keep on beating that dead horse ....your card isnt a 1/1 if it is show me where its printed 1/1 on it anywhere otherwise no go

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

hi david, this is chippy. too much work. your card isn't a 1/1. topps seemed surprised because of all of this effort. everyone would be.

sorry. nice card if it was auto'd!

no way chippy

from the sportscard room on AOL

for real

hi

havent seen you in awhile

[duwal]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

I dont know what a superfractor really is but again this card has been verified authentic by both Topps and BGS as to what it is.

If you would like to check with Topps that would probably be best but I am 100% sure this is the A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR 1994 SF #1/1 card

I have no idea how you can be 100% sure that is the card you have when you yourself have said you are not too sure what a superfractor is and you provided a checklist link that states that the card with those odds is in fact the superfractor which I described as to what would be on the card in order for it to be a superfractor

[davepeters239]

I am not going to argue with everyone over this superfractor nonsense

Its an obvious misprint that everyone ran with.

I would suggest contacting Topps to be sure but I already know what card this is.

[Nick2317]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

The OP needs to be immediately banned based on other likely fake autos he was peddling and for the nonsense in this thread. This is how we keep Haiku like scams from happening again.

I second this

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by duwal

I have no idea how you can be 100% sure that is the card you have when you yourself have said you are not too sure what a superfractor is and you provided a checklist link that states that the card with those odds is in fact the superfractor which I described as to what would be on the card in order for it to be a superfractor

There are lots of mistakes in Beckett.

I am unsure why this is listed as a superfractor all over the place but this isn't a superfractor and there is no superfractor of this card.

It was a misprint.

Check with Topps

[duwal]

this is what the front of a superfractor card would look like

[Aleister]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

I dont know what a superfractor really is but again this card has been verified authentic by both Topps and BGS as to what it is.

If you would like to check with Topps that would probably be best but I am 100% sure this is the A-Rod Throwback Autographs #94AR 1994 SF #1/1 card

But it is not autographed. Again if you choose to get it signed it would be an IP auto that was signed years AFTER the set was released. It will never be a PACK PULLED AUTOGRAPH. EVER.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

I am not going to argue with everyone over this superfractor nonsense

Its an obvious misprint that everyone ran with.

I would suggest contacting Topps to be sure but I already know what card this is.

its only nonsense because you are stating that the card you have is of the odds stated of the superfractor on the checklist

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by duwal

this is what the front of a superfractor card would look like

I figured it was something looking like that. Kinda like a prism card. Not a big fan of those.

My card does not look like that and there were no arod throwback cards from this set like that. There were no arod throwback cards autographed or unautographed that are superfractors.

[WilsonValdez]

You guys are all wasting your time. You are arguing up against the Great Wall of Peters. Nothing will get past that wall, no matter how logical it sounds to you and I.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Aleister

But it is not autographed. Again if you choose to get it signed it would be an IP auto that was signed years AFTER the set was released. It will never be a PACK PULLED AUTOGRAPH. EVER.

the other thing is if you get it autographed and put a Topps authentication sticker on the back of it then you are committing fraud

[davepeters239]

Originally Posted by duwal

the other thing is if you get it autographed and put a Topps authentication sticker on the back of it then you are committing fraud

How is that fraud

I am just correcting an error

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by davepeters239

The reason I think the sticker thing would be ok is because Topps has told me in the past the stickers and the numbers on them have no meaning.

I have two cards serial numbered and autographed both serial nunmbered 1 of 19 a both the exact same card. So when I asked to verfy the cards with the holgram sticker on the back I was told they couldn't and like I mentioned the numbers on the hologram didn't mean anything.

To me the card wouldn't be complete without the stickers and since the stickers don't mean anything to Topps it shouldn't matter?

I guess this is why they stopped putting the holograms on their cards.

I would strongly recommend against doing this. This would clearly be illegal, not just unethical. You are switching authentication stickers to pass the card off as being certified by topps. Since you are not a representative of that company you dont have the authority to 'fix' their mistake. The fact that the stickers Topps affixes on the back of the card do not lead back to some database that tells you for sure which auto they belong to is meaningless. It just means you have less of a chance of being caught. Also, why not just go all the way and label it a 1/1? I mean if you are taking it upon yourself to 'fix; their mistake not having the auto on the card then couldnt you rationalize it to label the card 1/1 since you believe thats what the card is?

Years ago there was a ring of people that were taking upper deck holograms off lower dollar cards and attaching them to forged cards of big names such as Michael Jordan. Now that is slightly different as the Jordan autos were forgeries, however it would have still been illegal and unethical if someone got Jordan's real auto and then stuck the sticker on the back themselves. So even though the auto is legitimate, it is still a forgery as they would be misrepresenting the card as an Upper Deck certified auto.

I definately understand your point that you want to make it look like it should have looked when it was manufactured. But again, you have to remember that the stickers are there to actually indicate its a Topps certified auto, not just a certified auto in general. Also, you state that you would disclose this info to the buyer of the card. Now I dont know you so I cant say whether you would or wouldnt, however even if you do tell someone then what was the point of putting the stickers on it in the first place?

If you do manage to get the card signed I would do what a couple others recommended. If Arod has his own hologram to affix to the card that would be good. Or you could send it in to get PSA/BGS certified auto slabbed. There are plenty of ways to get the auto certified. Again just please keep in mind that you need to seperate what your intention is vs what you are actually doing. Even if your personal intention is not to create a forgery that is essentially what you are doing and it will be viewed that way by collectors and by authorities.

[texas]

its fraud Topps told you no already so youre trying to do it anyways