Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by Pharmgeek

I heard through the grapevine someone that had opened two boxes and put them on eBay and only got 2 numbered cards total. 1 numbered card per a box is not a great rate. If that’s the case the print run on this is going to be insane.

That would be shocking

Just pmg there is 15000.

Not sure what the all the other numbered stuff adds up

Guessing 30-40000 numbered cards ?

If this was topps I would believe it. But not ud


Maybe the guy opened 2 blasters ???

[bub838]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

That would be shocking

Just pmg there is 15000.

Not sure what the all the other numbered stuff adds up

Guessing 30-40000 numbered cards ?

If this was topps I would believe it. But not ud


Maybe the guy opened 2 blasters ???

100 card checklist would be 160,000 parallels alone.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Maybe the guy opened 2 blasters ???

Looks like hobby based on the ebay listings- they include a pink lasers and variant cover pink lasers, those are the numbered. They are hobby/epack only.

1 numbered per box is not good at all. Really hoping that’s not the case. In personally for 3 hobby boxes at like 900. 3 numbered for $900 is brutal (like pink laser /992). Smh.

[DynaEtch]

Well if you go up thread to that analysis MarvelCardFan did, a huge number of boxes was estimated, up to like 240k boxes. So as ridiculous as 160k boxes would be, it’s very possible.

This is approaching 1992 junk era- 92MM was 350k boxes. Could be higher than half that. Without the junk wax price though…these are $250-300.

It depends what’s going on with epack…a chance epack is loaded I guess.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Guessing 30-40000 numbered cards?

Per the analysis above, there are like 288,000 numbered cards. The pink lasers total almost 100k for just that.

The estimate arrived at was 1.19 numbered cards per box. This small sample of 2 boxes seems to support that.

[ThatGuyPal]

BOX HITS!
Base Set parallels and variants:
Blue Traxx, Canvas, Clear Cut, Rainbow, Leather, Lenticular
Variant Cover – Rainbow Parallel
Corner Box Creations, Fantastic Covers, and/or Battle Spectrum

Numbered cards aren't even mentioned as a box hit, I wouldn't even assume I'm guaranteed any from a box although it would obv be disappointing.

I believe we try to estimate the future too much and are surprised when it doesn't play out that way, even now we are getting worked up over a two box sample lol people estimated Avengers wasn't hitting e-pack....and it did.

I still plan on getting a box and am excited eitherway, I'm glad there's no guarantees I almost bought Platinum original because the sell-sheet said something like 3 numbered parallels under /99 a box.....then board members informed me that wasn't the case. I'll wait and see how breaks go on this. I also think it's odd to consistently be surprised at high-print runs in 2024 when that is the norm, we aren't going back to smaller print runs anytime soon

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

BOX HITS!
Base Set parallels and variants:
Blue Traxx, Canvas, Clear Cut, Rainbow, Leather, Lenticular
Variant Cover – Rainbow Parallel
Corner Box Creations, Fantastic Covers, and/or Battle Spectrum

Numbered cards aren't even mentioned as a box hit, I wouldn't even assume I'm guaranteed any from a box although it would obv be disappointing.

I believe we try to estimate the future too much and are surprised when it doesn't play out that way, even now we are getting worked up over a two box sample lol people estimated Avengers wasn't hitting e-pack....and it did.

I still plan on getting a box and am excited eitherway, I'm glad there's no guarantees I almost bought Platinum original because the sell-sheet said something like 3 numbered parallels under /99 a box.....then board members informed me that wasn't the case. I'll wait and see how breaks go on this. I also think it's odd to consistently be surprised at high-print runs in 2024 when that is the norm, we aren't going back to smaller print runs anytime soon

Yes we need to see some more box breaks, but it does seem like it’ll be like a numbered per hobby box, maybe slightly more. When you consider 168k of the numbered parallels are Pink laser or Pink laser variant covers (/992,/692..may as well not be numbered), this also means more than half the the time the numbered card will just be one of those.

I mean I’m going to enjoy/collect the set either way. It’s gonna be a great looking set. It’s hard not to think a little bit of value when you’re dropping $300 a box though, and for many people the total spent into the thousands. If it turns up it it’s just 1 numbered per box, and over half of those are pink lasers, yea I admit I’ll be kinda disappointed, $900 isn’t cheap for me.

While UD print runs are up (although not all- 2022MM was about 14k boxes), 200+ thousand hobby boxes is another level….and that’s not even taking into account blasters. I will say UD is certainly milking the Marvel license right before it’s lost- probably the most I’ve ever seen a company do before losing a license. Not just in the number of new products coming out this month, but the print runs no doubt. You seem to not be surprised by a 200k+ hobby box print run but I am. We are getting into a sizeable fraction of the the 1992 era print run of MM, with the major difference being back then Marvel cards were basically mass market, where tons of kids collected them, whereas today Marvel cards are so niche. I mean in some ways it’s brilliant for UD…I don’t know what these cost direct, but if physical hobby was like 150 that could be pushing $50 million for just hobby alone.

Talk about maxing the revenue before losing the license!

[ATLOTP]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

While UD print runs are up (although not all- 2022MM was about 14k boxes), 200+ thousand hobby boxes is another level….and that’s not even taking into account blasters.

so you're saying i need to wait until this is $30 a box

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ATLOTP

so you're saying i need to wait until this is $30 a box

If only….

That’s kinda the irony here. It could possibly be near junk wax numbers…yet decidedly non- junk wax prices. Probably not a bad move to wait though. Obviously won’t be $30 but I could see prices fall. MM XL hobby boxes go for like $150-180 on eBay, that dropped at 300. And this print run is probably larger.

Can’t fault UD for playing the game and maxing whatever they can before it’s over. I think back to other companies like Rittenhouse whenever they lost the marvel card license (in what- 2014ish?). I don’t remember them releasing a billion marvel sets the month before losing it, some of them with ginormous print runs.

[PurplesaurusRex]

I can't even imagine the crazy profit margins UD must be making on some of these reprinted art sets. You can buy a Playstation 5 for the price of a couple boxes. Wasn't the original platinum also 1 numbered card per a box?

[Xazark]

There is no way this can hold @ $300 if its 1-2 numbered card / box that is insanity

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

I can't even imagine the crazy profit margins UD must be making on some of these reprinted art sets. You can buy a Playstation 5 for the price of a couple boxes. Wasn't the original platinum also 1 numbered card per a box?

I glanced at a few box breaks on YouTube and no, Platinum boxes seem to have like 4-5 numbered in a box, if we are including anything numbered (even like /799). The confusion mentioned above was it being advertised as 4 numbered hits below /99, which obviously isn’t the case…but it does seem to have like 4 numbered cards.

So if 92MM is actually around 1 total numbered card (still an if)…then it’s a lot different than regular Platinum.

[kyle1707]

My Dave adams boxes shipped.

So we should see breaks or more eBay very soon.

Hope for best. Was really excited for this

[Bunny Hop]

at 48 cards per box ... yeesh. Well my ebb and flow has once more flowed toward the blasters b/c of the price per card. I've been flirting with picking up a hobby in addition to the blasters just for the chance at some of the cooler stuff but I don't think I can stomach it if that's the way they're being packed out. What an initially very odd release.

[DynaEtch]

Do we think this is coming out on epack?

It does say epack on checklist, that means it almost has to, right? The reason I wonder is because that will greatly affect my strategy for collecting this set. If it’s gonna be on epack, I’ll wait and buy 99% of the singles in the comc flood.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Xazark

There is no way this can hold @ $300 if its 1-2 numbered card / box that is insanity

So stupid. 2013 Marvel Retro is the greatest non-sports product in my mind. We'll never get a product that good, with that many inserts and parallels, at that price again.

[Bunny Hop]

anyone know if the 11th is hobby only and the 18th is blasters or is everything coming out this week?

[MarvelCardsFan]

Just got confirmation from someone who has opened few boxes. 1 numbered per box. Very disappointing and bizarre product. I guess UD doesn’t care to please marvel customers as they don’t need to anymore.

Edit: someone else said 3 in his box (including 1 pmg). Crazy box! So there’s a lot of variability. Good luck, guys!

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by MarvelCardsFan

Just got confirmation from someone who has opened few boxes. 1 numbered per box. Very disappointing and bizarre product. I guess UD doesn’t care to please marvel customers as they don’t need to anymore.

Edit: someone else said 3 in his box (including 1 pmg). Crazy box! So there’s a lot of variability. Good luck, guys!

At least there is some variability. Not feeling great about my hobby boxes purchase, but oh well. Just assuming I’m gonna take a big hit on these. Set should look good at least.

I did notice the edges of the backs are prone to damage on some of these from ebay scans…just like the 92s (haven’t come far haha). Could make grading and getting 10s not so easy…which makes it more interesting tbh.

[kyle1707]

I thought 290 was fair and probably go up like metal


Of course it’s upper decks 2014 topps chrome football

If you know you know

[Chrominator]

No breaks yet, just this hype vid

[ThatGuyPal]

Base Wolverine sold for $19.99 today lol......will never get the FOMO for a base card that will be $1.50 once blasters hit.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Base Wolverine sold for $19.99 today lol......will never get the FOMO for a base card that will be $1.50 once blasters hit.

I am telling myself hard this time around not to give into FOMO. Might get kinda difficult once all these nice shiny cards start hitting ebay, that’ll I need for my set. But I gotta wait for prices to come down, which they no doubt will with this giant print run, and especially if they hit epack.

$20 for base card is nuts though. Even Wolverine lol.

[DynaEtch]

I noticed the base aren’t full-bleed, that is interesting. Perhaps the border is needed for parallels. But that kinda differentiates the look of this base set from the original 92 set at least.

Edit:

[Bunny Hop]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I noticed the base aren’t full-bleed, that is interesting. Perhaps the border is needed for parallels. But that kinda differentiates the look of this base set from the original 92 set at least.

Edit:

well that looks quite different from the promotional images, including the hype video a few posts up.