2024 Dodgers Official Thread

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Let's revisit that statement after they win 4 out of 5 World Series in a row.

Also those yankees team while having high payrolls were not filled with mult mvp candidates. In fact what caused them to fail was adding mvp guys one after the other like Giambi, arod etc

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[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by JRX

Also those yankees team while having high payrolls were not filled with mult mvp candidates. In fact what caused them to fail was adding mvp guys one after the other like Giambi, arod etc

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Very true.

Hope this doesn't become the Lakers version of Malone, Payton, Kobe, Shaq (2008). Too much talent on same team, no rings.

[amg2002]

These signings are just dumb.

If you combine the Rays, Orioles, Reds and Guardians payrolls from 2023, it would about equal what the Dodgers are spending in 2024.

The money that comes in from TV contracts, jersey sales and ticket sales are all that matter to the Dodgers. It's a business. Spend $$$, Make $$$$.

The fans have high expectations of winning each year because of the spending. The Dodgers have won 3 WS titles in the last 60 years, 1 in the last 35 years.

What's my point...I'm really not sure. I just hate to see what is happening.

[whitmm]

Payroll sitting at about $282 million. Already hit the third tier of luxury tax, now up to 95% on every dollar. I believe it now pushes their draft pick back 10 spaces as well.

The next question is do they put further and pass the $297 million mark and get into the fourth tier, where they will be paying 110% tax on every dollar?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Payroll sitting at about $282 million. Already hit the third tier of luxury tax, now up to 95% on every dollar. I believe it now pushes their draft pick back 10 spaces as well.

The next question is do they put further and pass the $297 million mark and get into the fourth tier, where they will be paying 110% tax on every dollar?

Why not? We're constantly told they'll make it all back and more. They can probably easily support a 400m payroll.

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[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by JRX

Why not? We're constantly told they'll make it all back and more. They can probably easily support a 400m payroll.

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It'll be interesting to see where it ends up. They have the income to do it, and in a way they are effectively doing what the Golden State Warriors have since 2020-21 in the NBA, basically ignoring the salary cap where the Warriors have been paying 170% in tax on every dollar of salary as repeat offenders.

Hope the Dodgers have half the success of the Warriors the next few years.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by hotcalsun

It'll be interesting to see where it ends up. They have the income to do it, and in a way they are effectively doing what the Golden State Warriors have since 2020-21 in the NBA, basically ignoring the salary cap where the Warriors have been paying 170% in tax on every dollar of salary as repeat offenders.



Hope the Dodgers have half the success of the Warriors the next few years.

If every deal makes them money just go for a 1.2b 40 man roster or is there an actual limit. What's next, sign soto and Sasaki next year?

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JRX

Why not? We're constantly told they'll make it all back and more. They can probably easily support a 400m payroll.

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For sure. That's part of the reason I found it funny that Ohtani offered all of the deferred money "to help the team out." Because everyone says money is not an issue for them. They easily could have paid him his full amount and still signed everyone else.

I bet the Oakland owners love what the Dodgers are doing. A good chuck of that luxury tax money gets distributed to every team under the CBT.

[speedyjg13]

The big question is how will the Dodgers finances look in 10 years? Dodgers all in for the next 10 years and be in financial shambles after that?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

The big question is how will the Dodgers finances look in 10 years? Dodgers all in for the next 10 years and be in financial shambles after that?

Their internal projections probably assume exponential growth forever.

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[vegetable]

Originally Posted by JRX

Their internal projections probably assume exponential growth forever.

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Those wouldn't be wrong. It's team Japan.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Very true.

Hope this doesn't become the Lakers version of Malone, Payton, Kobe, Shaq (2008). Too much talent on same team, no rings.

This was 2004, not 2008 and that team made the Finals and only really fell apart when Malone tore his knee up...it also would have been a 4-peat.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

The big question is how will the Dodgers finances look in 10 years? Dodgers all in for the next 10 years and be in financial shambles after that?

They bought a $5-6B team for $2B. And I would imagine they turn a nice operating profit in the mean time.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by JRX

Also those yankees team while having high payrolls were not filled with mult mvp candidates. In fact what caused them to fail was adding mvp guys one after the other like Giambi, arod etc

All the core players on the Yankees dynasty were drafted by the Yankees....Jeter, Riveria, Posada, Bernie Williams, etc.

Who's the best player on the current Dodgers that was internally developed...Will Smith?

The Dodgers have won the offseason, but as others have noted, neither Ohtani nor Yamamoto are without risk.

Ohtani may never pitch effectively again....not many guys with two TJ's have.

Yamamoto is likely to be good, but not great....very few Japanese pitchers have had Cy Young level seasons.

- Nomo finished 4th in his first two seasons, and then flamed out after that.
- Irabu was a bust.
- Matsuzaka had one good season, but otherwise was a bust.
- Yu Darvish has two 2nd place finishes, one of which was the COVID-shortened 2020 season. But he's had only one full season with an ERA below 3.00, and he's the best Japanese pitcher in MLB history so far.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by mfw13

All the core players on the Yankees dynasty were drafted by the Yankees....Jeter, Riveria, Posada, Bernie Williams, etc.



Who's the best player on the current Dodgers that was internally developed...Will Smith?



The Dodgers have won the offseason, but as others have noted, neither Ohtani nor Yamamoto are without risk.



Ohtani may never pitch effectively again....not many guys with two TJ's have.



Yamamoto is likely to be good, but not great....very few Japanese pitchers have had Cy Young level seasons.



- Nomo finished 4th in his first two seasons, and then flamed out after that.

- Irabu was a bust.

- Matsuzaka had one good season, but otherwise was a bust.

- Yu Darvish has two 2nd place finishes, one of which was the COVID-shortened 2020 season. But he's had only one full season with an ERA below 3.00, and he's the best Japanese pitcher in MLB history so far.

Senga had a very strong first season.

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[atk825]

Originally Posted by mfw13

All the core players on the Yankees dynasty were drafted by the Yankees....Jeter, Riveria, Posada, Bernie Williams, etc.

Who's the best player on the current Dodgers that was internally developed...Will Smith?

The Dodgers have won the offseason, but as others have noted, neither Ohtani nor Yamamoto are without risk.

Ohtani may never pitch effectively again....not many guys with two TJ's have.

Yamamoto is likely to be good, but not great....very few Japanese pitchers have had Cy Young level seasons.

- Nomo finished 4th in his first two seasons, and then flamed out after that.
- Irabu was a bust.
- Matsuzaka had one good season, but otherwise was a bust.
- Yu Darvish has two 2nd place finishes, one of which was the COVID-shortened 2020 season. But he's had only one full season with an ERA below 3.00, and he's the best Japanese pitcher in MLB history so far.

Plenty of people have come back from a second TJ, notably the best pitcher on the team who just won the World Series. Even if he's just the best DH in the game, he's making only a few more million a year than Judge.

If Yamamoto ends up having the career Darvish has had, it would probably be seen as a success. It's also weird to only look at other Japanese pitchers. It's not like comparing Ohtani to any other Japanese hitter is particularly useful for prognostication.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by mfw13

All the core players on the Yankees dynasty were drafted by the Yankees....Jeter, Riveria, Posada, Bernie Williams, etc.

Who's the best player on the current Dodgers that was internally developed...Will Smith?

The Dodgers have won the offseason, but as others have noted, neither Ohtani nor Yamamoto are without risk.

Ohtani may never pitch effectively again....not many guys with two TJ's have.

Yamamoto is likely to be good, but not great....very few Japanese pitchers have had Cy Young level seasons.

- Nomo finished 4th in his first two seasons, and then flamed out after that.
- Irabu was a bust.
- Matsuzaka had one good season, but otherwise was a bust.
- Yu Darvish has two 2nd place finishes, one of which was the COVID-shortened 2020 season. But he's had only one full season with an ERA below 3.00, and he's the best Japanese pitcher in MLB history so far.

All true, but Tanaka and Maeda also had some pretty solid seasons. Senga had a good first season over here (as another said). But are some solid seasons worth the crazy money the Dodgers threw at Yamamoto? I don't think so as they seem to have overpaid for a guy whose never pitched in the MLB, but I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

All true, but Tanaka and Maeda also had some pretty solid seasons. Senga had a good first season over here (as another said). But are some solid seasons worth the crazy money the Dodgers threw at Yamamoto? I don't think so as they seem to have overpaid for a guy whose never pitched in the MLB, but I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

There's also pretty good data to suggest that Yamamoto is better than either one of those two. They certainly have better pitch data now than they did back when those two were coming over as well.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by atk825

There's also pretty good data to suggest that Yamamoto is better than either one of those two. They certainly have better pitch data now than they did back when those two were coming over as well.

That is very true as well. I'm hoping that the signing works out well for the Dodgers...but with big dollar pitchers all I can think about is Strasburg, DeGrom, and Scherzer since they signed their mega deals

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

That is very true as well. I'm hoping that the signing works out well for the Dodgers...but with big dollar pitchers all I can think about is Strasburg, DeGrom, and Scherzer since they signed their mega deals

Yeah, there's risk with everything. That said, Yamamoto is 25 and there just aren't a ton of really good pitchers at that age that hit the open market. I'd guess the Dodgers are fine if the production is front loaded...or they are just really confident in their scouting report.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

All true, but Tanaka and Maeda also had some pretty solid seasons. Senga had a good first season over here (as another said). But are some solid seasons worth the crazy money the Dodgers threw at Yamamoto? I don't think so as they seem to have overpaid for a guy whose never pitched in the MLB, but I guess we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

Is Hiroki Kuroda the best or second best Japanese pitcher in MLB? 20 career war and he didn't come to mlb until he was 33......

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by atk825

There's also pretty good data to suggest that Yamamoto is better than either one of those two. They certainly have better pitch data now than they did back when those two were coming over as well.

Enos Sarris of the Athletic basically compared Yamamoto to Kevin Gausman, but with a potential plus breaking ball.

The biggest question might be durability, with his relatively small frame, mechanics and seven years of pitching in Japan.

[Dodgerfan74]

Remember who the Dodgers developed and traded who had a small frame…..
Pedro Martinez-HOFer

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Dodgerfan74

Remember who the Dodgers developed and traded who had a small frame…..
Pedro Martinez-HOFer

Yeah perfectly reasonable to expect him to be one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history, go with that.

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[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by JRX

Yeah perfectly reasonable to expect him to be one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history, go with that.

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Well if he isn't, I'm sure I'll see you posting about it