Thoughts on PSA 6 Wander Franco

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

...in the same way that the difference between the card in a 9 and 10 slab is trivial. It’s just not that important.

TBP mantra is a much shorter four words.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The prices are what they are because there is more demand for the 10 than there is for the 9, even though the cards generally look to be in identical condition.

Which gets to my point; how will a new company using machine grading gain foothold in the market when the vast majority of cards they are grading will be mint or better?

Transparency and accountability leads to credibility. Their 10s may be perceived as having more credibility than something like this.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The prices are what they are because there is more demand for the 10 than there is for the 9, even though the cards generally look to be in identical condition.

Which gets to my point; how will a new company using machine grading gain foothold in the market when the vast majority of cards they are grading will be mint or better?

Exactly. The whole modern grading industry is based off of this.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That's not what NM-MT means. It isn't a range of grade. It's a specific grade between Near Mint and Mint.

LOL, a specific grade between NM 7 and Mint 9 is not a range? And you're an educated lawyer? NM-MT 8 is exactly that.

[towerymt]

PSA-6 EX-MT could be a 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9. Obviously.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by towerymt

PSA-6 EX-MT could be a 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9. Obviously.

Although entirely true, I never said 5. You had to throw that in there to exaggerate your point, which makes your point moot. 6s can be 9s and 9s can be 6s, especially moving between PSA and BGS.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by larry25

LOL, a specific grade between NM 7 and Mint 9 is not a range? And you're an educated lawyer? NM-MT 8 is exactly that.

The fact that grading is subjective has nothing to do with the fact that a NM-MT 8 is not a range.

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[towerymt]

Originally Posted by larry25

Although entirely true, I never said 5. You had to throw that in there to exaggerate your point, which makes your point moot. 6s can be 9s and 9s can be 6s, especially moving between PSA and BGS.

EX means 5. It's right in the name in the range.

[towerymt]

Ridiculousness.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Transparency and accountability leads to credibility. Their 10s may be perceived as having more credibility than something like this.

Theres nothing wrong with that card. Centering? Looks a-ok.

Originally Posted by larry25

LOL, a specific grade between NM 7 and Mint 9 is not a range? And you're an educated lawyer? NM-MT 8 is exactly that.

Youre still wrong.

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Transparency and accountability leads to credibility. Their 10s may be perceived as having more credibility than something like this.

Perhaps in your alternate universe.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Ridiculousness.

Yes, grading, and its inconsistency and unreliability, particularly with PSA, is pure ridiculousness. The mere fact that they have a review system built into their submissions is all you need to know to prove that grades are subjective and often wrong and therefore changeable.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by larry25

Yes, grading, and its inconsistency and unreliability, particularly with PSA, is pure ridiculousness. The mere fact that they have a review system built into their submissions is all you need to know to prove that grades are subjective and often wrong and therefore changeable.

Subjective is never wrong. You are never wrong. I am never wrong. PSA is never wrong.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Subjective is never wrong. You are never wrong. I am never wrong. PSA is never wrong.

I was wrong once. But I was mistaken!

[ThoseBackPages]

Well, I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Wrong. The company simply sets the parameters for what constitutes a 10 (gem).

Go look at the TAG POP reports.

That company is complete trash. A dealer i overheard at show last week bought a few and several were fakes in those slabs. AVOID them completely apparently computers can’t spot fakes.

[Astros19]

These posts always confirm my belief that grading is a scam.
But hey, whatever trips your trigger.

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[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

That company is complete trash. A dealer i overheard at show last week bought a few and several were fakes in those slabs. AVOID them completely apparently computers can’t spot fakes.

Well that is a credible source "a dealer I overheard".

TAG doesn't grade anything before 2000, so what were the "fakes"?

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by larry25

LOL, a specific grade between NM 7 and Mint 9 is not a range? And you're an educated lawyer? NM-MT 8 is exactly that.

Correct, a specific grade is not a range. It is a specific grade. Glad you figured that out.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

There needs to be a “Things I overheard at a card show” thread. What’s funny is that something can have proof and credible public sources backing it up and people will still demand more and more evidence (not always a bad thing), but if someone says “I overheard it at a show” people are like, “It must be true!”

Although, since it was tonedef2008, I’m assuming he’s just trolling.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Correct, a specific grade is not a range. It is a specific grade. Glad you figured that out.

You're missing the point. The point is that the NM-MT 8 grade is a range, from NM 7 to Mint 9. If centered, that's the key, most cards graded NM-MT 8 can range from 7 one day to 9 the next. If you don't know this through your own experience, either you haven't been collecting very long or haven't graded (and re-graded) many cards.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by larry25

You're missing the point. The point is that the NM-MT 8 grade is a range, from NM 7 to Mint 9. If centered, that's the key, most cards graded NM-MT 8 can range from 7 one day to 9 the next. If you don't know this through your own experience, either you haven't been collecting very long or haven't graded (and re-graded) many cards.

PSA is not saying "we don't know if this is a 7 or a 9 but it's somewhere in there so we'll call it an 8." Two ways to know this: one, it would be stupid, and two, they have specific definitions/descriptions of the various grades on their website. 8 is its own grade. It is, effectively, a card with certain characteristics that would be considered "near mint" and others that would be considered "mint." It is not a "range" by any rational English definition of the word.

As has already been pointed out to you, the fact that an 8 could regraded to a 7 or a 9 doesn't mean that an 8 is a range. You would agree that an EX-5, if cracked and resubmitted, could come back a 4 or a 6, right? So does that mean EX-5 is a "range" somehow?

You are choosing to die on a really stupid hill with this one. Let it go.

[towerymt]

Every card could be a different grade if regraded.

Has the PSA-6 Wander shipped yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been received yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been cracked out yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander flaw been identified yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been resubmitted yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been regraded yet?
What grade did the PSA-6 Wander get on the second try?

Important questions need answers.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Every card could be a different grade if regraded.

Has the PSA-6 Wander shipped yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been received yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been cracked out yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander flaw been identified yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been resubmitted yet?
Has the PSA-6 Wander been regraded yet?
What grade did the PSA-6 Wander get on the second try?

Important questions need answers.

It shouldn't, the card doesn't change.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

It shouldn't, the card doesn't change.

Grader may change.
Grading scale may change.
https://www.taggrading.com/conversion