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Here I did it. Here is the sales history I can see for the Jordan PMG available on card ladder going back to 2011. Obviously there may be unaccounted for private sales - but that does very little for the “pump and dump scheme” you have noted. There are a few early sales on eBay I can’t see the SN for, but I’ve listed the grade auction site and SN of every card I can see. From what I see SN #18 was sold twice (in 2011 & 2015), and SN# 56 was sold twice (in 2020 and 2021). *edited with more sales I missed 6/25/2022 - BGS 7 $450,000 (Goldin) SN# 79/100 10/25/2021 - BGS 8.5 $399,740 (Goldin) SN# 56/100 7/17/2021 - BGS 8 $312,000 (PWCC) SN# 73/100 5/23/2021 - BGS 6.5 $242,400 (Goldin) SN# 20/100 2/4/2021 - BGS 8 $480,000 (Heritage) SN# 52/100 2/1/2021 - PSA 6.5 $480,000 (Goldin) SN# 95/100 12/11/2020 - PSA 6 $222,745 (Mile High) SN# 97/100 11/20/2020 - BGS 8.5 $233,700 (Goldin) SN# 56/100 10/20/2020 - BGS Auth $151,926 (PWCC) SN# 43/100 7/28/2019 - BGS AUTh $25,223 (eBay) SN# 5/31/2017 - BGS 8 $15,000 (eBay) SN# NA 5/16/2017 - BGS 8.5 $19,600 (PWCC) SN# 75/100 2/20/2017 - BGS 8.5 $9,323 (eBay) SN# NA 11/20/2016 - PSA Auth $21,453 (eBay) SN# 23/100 5/18/2016 - BGS 8 $9600 (PWCC) SN# 16/100 9/20/15 - SGC A $8988 (PWCC) SN# 22/100 2/13/15 - BGS 8 $10,100 (PWCC) SN# 18/100 11/6/14 - BGS 8.5 $10,001 (eBay) SN# 99/100 2/5/14 - BGS 8.5 $8099 (eBay) SN# N/A 10/20/13 - $7099 (eBay) SN# N/A 5/25/12 - BGs 9.5 $41,825 (Heritage) SN# 87/100 11/17/11 - $6800 (eBay) SN# 18/100 9/25/11 - $8600 (eBay) SN# N/A
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Is that there's way more truth on BO than anywhere on group think IG YT and especially those dumb group chats I used to actually be in... where having your own opinion is frowned upon when you're not a part of the groupthink which is obviously your mindset.... I mean how much bs has been uncovered on bo about fakes alterations price manipulation etc Alot of those guys that don't like BO don't because they were exposed and or can't face the truth So if you don't like BO you can leave now And your exitpoint will not be missed Investorboi ![]() Last edited by Starman101; 07-15-2022 at 04:59 PM. |
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The PSA 6.5 has sold twice. April 2020 and February 2021. Big whoop. That’s your big proof that the PMGs are being recycled?
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Starboy101,
You better be buried with ALL your cards when you pass. Better yet, have your family burn them when that day comes. Thats the only way you will prove to us that youre not one of them.
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And I don't see the PSA 6.5 sale anywhere in this sales history??? Where is it? |
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![]() ![]() Here is another one for you. Let me know if this constitutes as pumping my Curry NT RPA- https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...2#post18197912
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Edited it as I missed some sales in my list based on how I searched. I don’t see the referenced 6.5 double sale, but I’ll just assume it’s erroneously not in the data or was deemed not valid as you have noted. So if that is the case that makes 3 of the same SN sold So I see 23 sales (24 if you include the referenced PSA 6.5 that sold twice); 6 of those sales attributable to 3 unique cards; 6 I can’t see the SN on; and the rest are unique SN. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Maybe I am in the minority but I absolutely loved my Grant Hill PMG's. I wish i had them back and not because of the price increase.......I just really enjoyed them. Finally getting the 1997-98 Green after years and years of hunting is still probably my biggest thrill as a collector.
I only own Baseball PMG's now and I think they are great, especially the 1998.
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Notice before that the Red was under 20k... That's when the majority of manipulation occurred between. 2019 and 2020...private sales were actually accounted for as new comps at the time....a segment left completely out of this.... So what happened to make this "The Best Card Ever"....this proves my point that after Feb 2019 all the bandwagons jumped on board the PMG train and have been driving it up via card ladder with "vetted sales"... Pump and flip...repeat and rinse... I started collecting MJ 1995 and nobody cared about PMGs. Hell even in 2011 nothing either...but after Nat Sale... Get your PMG now investors!!!....The Best looking cards ever made...Circa 2019... Money money money....pump pump pump.... Is that when you got yours investorboi? Lol Thank You As This Chart Proves The Point.of This Thread .....though there are big holes in unaccounted sales....the grey area...a pumpers paradise ![]() Last edited by Starman101; 07-15-2022 at 05:32 PM. |
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Nat purchased so many other cards at record prices in the past 3 years setting up a benchmark. How about 4 million plus sales of Curry Logoman, Mantle 52T Topps PSA 9, Mahomes NT Shield 1/1, Lebron Exquisite RPA/23 etc by other collectors/investors? Trout, Tatis, Soto, Acuna, Ohtani, Luka, Zion, Ja, Mbappe, Haaland, F1 cards, NFT's etc all went up crazy, many of them more than PMG's percentage wise. How do you explain that?
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Where??? "Unaccounted for sales" That's one example the PSA 6.5 Are there any other unaccounted for sales big whoop? This data in that sense is FLAWED |
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I am a 90's collector and it's definitely a set that has organic demand. Given the the surplus of buyers/sellers/flippers etc. these past 5 years, the increase in value/sold prices does reflect some of that. Most of the value has to do with collectors with disposable income trying to obtain the card of their childhood dreams as well as the value of paper dollars currently. If a Green PMG MJ was to go up for auction today I can guarantee that whoever purchases the card isn't doing so to flip. Most modern cards are pumped to death but I am curious why you picked a 90's set that most people can't afford to pump. There's only a few Instagram accounts that posts about these cards so I'm not sure if pump and dump applies here.
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So based on this I'm not sure... Should you get Cardladder or get off Cardladder? ![]() |
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You are something else. What is so funny/ironic/hypocritical is that you basically create a thread about how people need to “think for themselves” avoid the group think due to all the pumpers - and then call everyone names who doesn’t align with your view. Nothing about my post was attacking you or calling you names, but then you fall back on “investorboi” and dumb stuff like that. If you think I’m an investorboi than you know nothing about me, but honestly I have no care. Congratulations on collecting MJ since 1995, I’ve been collecting sports cards and MJ since 1989. Guess what you get for that? Nothing. You fail to note that in the same period all cards have risen substantially, as has virtually every other asset. Times have changed, the market is different - adjust or don’t. If sitting around and yelling “this is how it used to be” while alienating others who don’t align with your expectations on how to collect makes you happy - have fun. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Very convenient to claim private sales. The first sale was PWCC. Second sale was Heritage.
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Or PMG collectors...or real 90s collectors... Not at all man It's the BS phony bandwagons over past few years You're an OG brother...as OG as it gets |
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You see...another reason PMGs are tainted for me
Ever notice many PMG owners (excluding real collectors) have a snooty attitude towards other great 90s cards like well here....lowly refractors (probably as 90s as it gets) game used /autos (with the typical response I don't know nothing about these cards) blah blah blah... Because no other 90s cards matter because I own a PMG rhetoric they spew on social media as self proclaimed 90s guys What a load of crap man Wow Last edited by Starman101; 07-15-2022 at 06:13 PM. |
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Oh and just for the record....Nat himself claimed he was likely shilled on the Green PMG....do some research and he says it...
So there was likely manipulation even prior to the "organic" runup And dudes are in denial there was manipulation after the fact when it then became ideal with the clear incentive to now do so??? Baloney Rest my case naysayers It's real. It happened. And still is Why I'm just not into them Cut the crap Last edited by Starman101; 07-15-2022 at 06:23 PM. |
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FYI, it’s “ad nauseam” not “to ad nauseam”. Been bothering me since you created the thread.
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We play with trading cards. The entire game is a pump, every card from the 90s 15x in price these last five years. This isn’t a PMG isolated phenomenon, what we experienced was a hobby wide pump.
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Yes, Nat knew the PMG Green price might have been manipulated but he wanted one and was willing to pay a certain price to get it. There are some cards in my PC that I knew the auctions might have been shilled but I had a price in my mind that I was willing to pay for them.
We get it. To all the newbies who come to BO before spending six figures on a card ...PMG's are not desirable because OP thinks so. 90's PMG's are the only ones that are being manipulated. Rest of the market (stock market, art and collectible market, other sports cards, NFT's etc,) are not. This is my new favorite quote- Quote:
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