Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[pip]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

It really isn't. The internet is a vast place and not everyone is at the edge of their seats following Pokemon cards or Logan what's-his-name. And most of "page one" gets forgotten the next day.

As for history, it means you can actually predict what happens in many situations just by studying history. But one has to take the time to learn.

And it's gibberish, not jibberish.

No, jibberish.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=jibberish

Studying history of what? Bogusly authenticated $3.5 million Pokemon cases. Yes, that's happened a lot. Let's go back and study every incident so we know what to expect now.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by pip

No, jibberish.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=jibberish

Studying history of what? Bogusly authenticated $3.5 million Pokemon cases. Yes, that's happened a lot. Let's go back and study every incident so we know what to expect now.

Way off topic haha, but with the whole gibberish vs jibberish thing, thought it was gibberish which is what the dictionaries seem to say (besides urban), unless jibberish is a very uncommon spelling. Anyway shout-out to that top definition referencing Sigur Ros's Hopelandic language..... love their () album!

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Good question on the history of BBCE and Steve Hart. They started out as a shop selling boxes and cases. That came first. It's his stamp of approval, his opinion on the boxes and packs he sells. It has evolved to what it is now over the course of 30 years. Simply, collectors value his opinion and pay a premium for it. Companies like PSA and Goldin do. Heck, Larry Fritsch knows they can get a premium for certain items with that BBCE wrap. But yeah, if he decided to intentionally wrap counterfeit and tampered product, his reputation and company are finished. If you've ever built something with pride, passion, blood, sweat and tears, it's not easy to throw it all away for bricks of cash and Harleys.

Unless there's a longer history of "bricks of cash and Harleys" than most people are aware of.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Way off topic haha, but with the whole gibberish vs jibberish thing, thought it was gibberish which is what the dictionaries seem to say (besides urban), unless jibberish is a very uncommon spelling. Anyway shout-out to that top definition referencing Sigur Ros's Hopelandic language..... love their () album!

They’re a top five band all time for me. When I play them at work without fail someone will ask “what is this?” and I’ll reply “They’re an Icelandic band that made up an imaginary language for most of their music.” The response is usually a cold dead stare.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

They’re a top five band all time for me. When I play them at work without fail someone will ask “what is this?” and I’ll reply “They’re an Icelandic band that made up an imaginary language for most of their music.” The response is usually a cold dead stare.

Ha! Same experience for me whenever I bring them up. Sometimes I add “that band that played the song at the end of Vanilla Sky”…..still nothing. Pleasantly surprised someone else on this board has heard of them…one of the all time greats imo.

Sorry for the tangent…..back to the regularly scheduled Pokémon BBCE talk.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Ha! Same experience for me whenever I bring them up. Sometimes I add “that band that played the song at the end of Vanilla Sky”…..still nothing. Pleasantly surprised someone else on this board has heard of them…one of the all time greats imo.

Sorry for the tangent…..back to the regularly scheduled Pokémon BBCE talk.

Vanilla Sky?!? That's the most puzzling thing I've seen on this board this week and there's 100 pages of Wander nonsense. Why aren't you leading with Game of Thrones?

[jduds]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Way off topic haha, but with the whole gibberish vs jibberish thing, thought it was gibberish which is what the dictionaries seem to say (besides urban), unless jibberish is a very uncommon spelling. Anyway shout-out to that top definition referencing Sigur Ros's Hopelandic language..... love their () album!

Jibberish is reasonably common(I've seen it a decent amount), but gibberish is the longer accepted spelling. Jibber-jabber is never or seldom spelled gibber-jabber and a lot of people naturally leap from that to jibberish. Strange etymology and the pronunciation changed from a hard g to a j sound at some point which points to favoring the gibberish spelling, but explains acceptance of jibberish.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I get that about starting out as a shop and the authentication aspect evolving from that, and that appears to be what happened. If it were me (and it's not me here obviously), if I was moving towards being a standard go-to source for third party authentication, I would be distancing myself from selling the items- if going for the authentication brand...make that be it. Even if there is nothing amiss, it doesnt seem like a great visual.

I think there's a very good reason companies like CGC dont involve themselves with selling CGC graded comics, or even allow the graders to. Grading is a bit different than just authentication....obviously there would be major conflicts of interest there (giving something a 9.8 vs a 9.6 just so it could sell for more..if it even needs to be repeated CGC does not do this and does not sell CGC books)....vs authentication is just a "it's authentic" vs "it's not" thing, but still a similar sort of principle.

BBCE doesn't grade boxes or packs. I don't believe any business would cut off their original source of revenue. I also don't see an conflict of interest. Besides, that's how they determine what to charge someone for the service, 10% of their buy price(last I checked). Bottom line, they are a trusted source in the hobby. Sure, their reputation will take a hit on the Pokemon side but as many have eluded too, it will be minimal as people will still send thousands of packs to PSA for grading.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by jduds

Vanilla Sky?!? That's the most puzzling thing I've seen on this board this week and there's 100 pages of Wander nonsense. Why aren't you leading with Game of Thrones?

Lol. I guess I’m one of the few people in the world who hasn’t seen it

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by pip

No, jibberish.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=jibberish

Studying history of what? Bogusly authenticated $3.5 million Pokemon cases. Yes, that's happened a lot. Let's go back and study every incident so we know what to expect now.

No, gibberish.

Definition of Gibberish

History of everything. Bogusly authenticated stuff in this industry alone has absolutely happened a lot. Happens all of the time. Stop being obtuse.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

No, gibberish.

Definition of Gibberish

History of everything. Bogusly authenticated stuff in this industry alone has absolutely happened a lot. Happens all of the time. Stop being obtuse.

No, jibberish. As in a totally made up language that makes no sense to others. To wit, your previous post.

You are quite right. Authentication fails often or at least it seems to. But it rarely involves $3.5 million cases. Of that, there is no prior history; so to suggest that by studying history we can apply what we have learned to the current situation is complete jibberish.

[pip]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Lol. I guess I’m one of the few people in the world who hasn’t seen it

The interaction between Tom Cruise and Kurt Russell can be tedious at times but it's an interesting movie...especially if you like Penelope Cruz. If you enjoy sci fi and unexpected plot twists, it's worth seeing.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

BBCE doesn't grade boxes or packs. I don't believe any business would cut off their original source of revenue. I also don't see an conflict of interest. Besides, that's how they determine what to charge someone for the service, 10% of their buy price(last I checked). Bottom line, they are a trusted source in the hobby. Sure, their reputation will take a hit on the Pokemon side but as many have eluded too, it will be minimal as people will still send thousands of packs to PSA for grading.

They do through PSA. I agree with DynaEtch. There's a very apparent conflict of interest.

[zworykin]

Dear lord, you two children are arguing over the spelling of gibberish vs. jibberish? Get a room already.

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by pip

They do through PSA. I agree with DynaEtch. There's a very apparent conflict of interest.

I also agree, conflict and a great point.

[cardsin47]

Wow - this Thread has really deteriorated over the past 2 days.
Can’t wait to see what happens next!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

BBCE doesn't grade boxes or packs

Originally Posted by pip

They do through PSA.

Actually, they don't when it comes to packs. PSA doesn't grade boxes. BBCE doesn't assign a grade to their wrapped boxes.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Wow - this Thread has really deteriorated over the past 2 days.
Can’t wait to see what happens next!

Haha, here we go!

[dizzydolse]

My guess is Logan brings the case back to BBCE for another, more thorough inspection. Steve Hart has been using this time in between to learn as much as possible on how to authenticate 1st edition base Pokemon packs and boxes. Logan will give the ok to open the case and a box to inspect because he knows now this is the only way to truly authenticate this case and legitimize it. This tactic will be sufficient to appease most people, even though the only real way to authenticate would be to open a pack. Opening a pack will be out of the question, because we all know, including Logan at this point, that not only is the the case not legitimate but opening a pack completely devalues the entire product. BBCE will re-authenticate the case having inspected a box and a pack, but not opening it and the case will be resealed with BBCE stamp of approval and Logan will try for years to find a buyer dumb enough to buy the case believing it is legit.

[dizzydolse]

Or Logan opens the case, realizes immediately it's a fake, and challenges the sellers to a fight on the next big UFC card. They accept and everyone makes $100 million for 8 minutes of the most horrific spectacle any fight fan has ever seen and they walk away laughing because they executed their plan perfectly. Then the universe collapses.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I dont recall BBCE ever posting what they look for in a sealed case.
How much could really happen though.....for real...

It was in an update from last February

https://www.bbcexchange.com/authentication

Mostly about how BBCE is overwhelmed by all the submissions. Nothing much said about what they look for in sealed cases, just the impression that it's a fairly rushed process.

Any and all factory sealed cases that need to be wrapped FASC can still be submitted. If the case is worth $100,000 or the case is worth $100, go ahead and ship it here. Factory sealed cases can be processed quickly as all I need to do is verify that they are still originally sealed. They can then go straight to wrapping/shipping. However, if the case is not still factory sealed, please hold off on submitting. In this case, every pack in every box needs to be looked over.

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

It was in an update from last February

https://www.bbcexchange.com/authentication

Mostly about how BBCE is overwhelmed by all the submissions. Nothing much said about what they look for in sealed cases, just the impression that it's a fairly rushed process.

Any and all factory sealed cases that need to be wrapped FASC can still be submitted. If the case is worth $100,000 or the case is worth $100, go ahead and ship it here. Factory sealed cases can be processed quickly as all I need to do is verify that they are still originally sealed. They can then go straight to wrapping/shipping. However, if the case is not still factory sealed, please hold off on submitting. In this case, every pack in every box needs to be looked over.

Meaning, we just look for Stop Tape which can be purchased pretty much anywhere and you are good

My God, the level of incompetence here is mindboggling for a company that is so highly regarded in the industry.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Meaning, we just look for Stop Tape which can be purchased pretty much anywhere and you are good

My God, the level of incompetence here is mindboggling for a company that is so highly regarded in the industry.

Yeah, it gets worse the more the curtain is pulled back. I think the problem for a lot of people is in realizing that being highly knowledgeable and friendly does not preclude being hasty/lazy and unethical.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Actually, they don't when it comes to packs. PSA doesn't grade boxes. BBCE doesn't assign a grade to their wrapped boxes.

Huh? Grades aren't assigned to packs in PSA holders? Unless it's a vintage pack and is severely damaged ("authentic"), they almost universally are given a numerical grade by Steve Hart on behalf of PSA.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by pip

Huh? Grades aren't assigned to packs in PSA holders? Unless it's a vintage pack and is severely damaged ("authentic"), they almost universally are given a numerical grade by Steve Hart on behalf of PSA.

BBCE authenticates the packs and PSA grades them according to their scale. You can't send loose packs directly to BBCE for authentication either, only rack packs.