LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The Jack guy made a post saying it was his last post. He at least showed up and said something. Eric not saying anything is very alarming. I feel like the27guy should stay out of it until proof has been presented but Eric or Jack. The fact that the27guy knows who the third party is and won’t say anything is also alarming.

This card world is very sad sometimes. Filled with greedy terrible people. I was excited to get back into this but it’s embarrassing on a daily basis watching mostly grown men be terrible people over cardboard.

Sigh......

“Stay out of it....

But tell me what I want to know”

Don’t be alarmed. Just be patient. Let’s get these guys in here to do their own dirty work. Haven’t I done enough?

[jjeanius]

Spoiler Alert: THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY!

[Doublestriker]

If he decided to sell the card tomorrow chances are the new owner would have no clue that the card was trimmed. The fact is that a very small percentage of collectors read card collecting forums. So I agree he has a responsibility to not sell a trimmed card without full disclosure. He could easily sell the card and chances are the buyer would have no idea of our conversation.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Sigh......

“Stay out of it....

But tell me what I want to know”

Don’t be alarmed. Just be patient. Let’s get these guys in here to do their own dirty work. Haven’t I done enough?

Well you said you wouldn’t say anything so I think it’s best for you to stay out of it and let these guys come forward and resolve this.

Honestly, you haven’t done anything to help this situation. Speaking on behalf of someone in a situation like this does nothing but make you possibly look bad if you’re wrong. I hope you have been right on what your buddy has told you. You sound confident based on you being the only one knowing the 3rd party so hope it all works out.

[NeedChapmans]

So ... apparently we've done this before.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The Jack guy made a post saying it was his last post. He at least showed up and said something.

Agreed but why muddy the water and then run? If he truly did send directly to Eric, show some type of proof be it PM's, emails, texts, tracking number, etc. All of this drama would have ended a long time ago if so. Don't get me wrong, there would still be drama, just not this stupid game of Clue. Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the candlestick, pffft.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Eric not saying anything is very alarming.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I feel like the27guy should stay out of it until proof has been presented but Eric or Jack.

You're not a newbie, you know how that would go and it's exactly what Eric is hoping for at this point, that this thread will just die off.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The fact that the27guy knows who the third party is and won’t say anything is also alarming.

I agree. I understand that he feels that he was told something in confidence so he doesn't want to betray that confidence. Normally I feel the same way but when it comes to crime, that goes out the window.

I think he's genuinely trying to uncover the truth, give him a bit more time. That's contradictory to what I posted earlier but we've been talking and I feel that he's trying to do the right thing, just in his own way.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

This card world is very sad sometimes. Filled with greedy terrible people. I was excited to get back into this but it’s embarrassing on a daily basis watching mostly grown men be terrible people over cardboard.

Agreed and it is the main thing that has been pushing me further and further towards the door.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

So ... apparently we've done this before.

And rookies did not trade directly with Eric.

"I did look into it and asked a few guys, my bad man I didnt mean you in particular honestly but clearly my wording came out that way so I am sorry. Doesnt take away from the fact the card got trimmed though I would complain to the guy who you purchased it from. If you have any questions for me you can PM me as I have the older photos."

[NeedChapmans]

Can we ban rookies now?

Originally Posted by ebitz

I’m just only to make one post on this thread in effort to clear a few thing up
1. I do not own the james harden in question, I am offered it for sale for another fellow member of the boards who offered to chime in on this discussion but I told him he didn’t have to. I just receive the card about a week ago as a BGS 10 and have never seen it before or even touched it when it was ungraded
2. @rookies, the lebron exquisite you mentioned I bought as a BGS 9, so that is two different attacks you have made toward me without evening knowing the facts or maybe asking me or someone else about it, I would appreciate you knowing looking into what you are talking about before making such strong accusations towards me.
3. I take all of my own photos and copyright them because on probably about 5+ difference occasions people have gone in and taken my photos and opened their own ebay store with my photos and listed my cards at higher prices than my asking prices. Copyrighting them was the only idea I could think to do to try to prevent this from happening. But I realize that once an image is on the web somewhere its hard to really do much to protect
4. I did politely ask minnesotachill if he could take my photo with my logo down, I am fine with having the link up that @jj2 listed, but to even suggest that I “bullied” minnesotachill is very far from the truth and also offensive to me that someone would suggest I did that.
5. I have been a member on this board since 2010 have over 180 positive feedback and probably another 100 or so that not been documented. I have made a lot of great friends and contacts through the forum and have always tried to do the right thing, while I am no means perfect I always try my best to treat people kindly and fairly and would appreciate the same in return. If anyone else has anything else they would like to address to me feel free to contact me directly, thanks

Originally Posted by rookies

I did look into it and asked a few guys, my bad man I didnt mean you in particular honestly but clearly my wording came out that way so I am sorry. Doesnt take away from the fact the card got trimmed though I would complain to the guy who you purchased it from. If you have any questions for me you can PM me as I have the older photos.

[ThoseBackPages]

oh my!

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by discostu

And rookies did not trade directly with Eric.

"I did look into it and asked a few guys, my bad man I didnt mean you in particular honestly but clearly my wording came out that way so I am sorry. Doesnt take away from the fact the card got trimmed though I would complain to the guy who you purchased it from. If you have any questions for me you can PM me as I have the older photos."

So rookies has now called him out twice and admitted he was wrong. How did rookies guy forget he already called him out?

[pejc300]

Is this the thread where 27guy goes down? I've seen this script so many times. The guy NO ONE suspects, white knighting for someone else (rather bizarrely) and then bam, the truth comes out. This thread is crazy. Anyone here who thinks buynicecards aka Eric or Ebitz or whatever is not trimming these cards or at least knows who does it is out of their freaking minds. Like, 0 common sense at all. This isn't even "where there's smoke there's fire." Like, Eric's house is on fire in front of us all and everyone can see it except for one person.

This shouldn't be a newsflash to people - the high-end card business is huge money, and there are people that have posted and flaunted cleaning up cards/fixing them and getting better grades. The disappointing part is that BGS can't simply do 10 minutes of research when they get a 100k card to grade. I get that you can't catch everything, but a card like that and a little research and you can easily figure it out.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Can we ban rookies now?

There's definitely a need for some explaining...on both sides.

Jack clearly was misleading, but the silence of Eric is uncomfortable here. If you're holding knowingly trimmed cards without getting BGS involved or trying to rectify the situation...it's off.

Someone is going to get stuck with the trimmed Lebrons, and I have a hard time believing that Eric is going to be the one.

Regardless...it's a pretty amazing twist.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

So rookies has now called him out twice and admitted he was wrong. How did rookies guy forget he already called him out?

IDK. But what is clear is that rookies lied about selling the card directly to Eric. He knew from the beginning what he was doing ... and perhaps hoped the receipts would never be found. Doesn't absolve Eric of always being attached to these trimmed cards; but certainly does prove rookies to be a liar.

Always amazes me what people say when the internet is forever.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Is this the thread where 27guy goes down? I've seen this script so many times. The guy NO ONE suspects, white knighting for someone else (rather bizarrely) and then bam, the truth comes out. This thread is crazy. Anyone here who thinks buynicecards aka Eric or Ebitz or whatever is not trimming these cards or at least knows who does it is out of their freaking minds. Like, 0 common sense at all. This isn't even "where there's smoke there's fire." Like, Eric's house is on fire in front of us all and everyone can see it except for one person.

This shouldn't be a newsflash to people - the high-end card business is huge money, and there are people that have posted and flaunted cleaning up cards/fixing them and getting better grades. The disappointing part is that BGS can't simply do 10 minutes of research when they get a 100k card to grade. I get that you can't catch everything, but a card like that and a little research and you can easily figure it out.

This should really be bolder. Maybe even larger.

[starvela]

Originally Posted by starvela

Why does everybody only discuss the one that involves rookies, there is another one at question..So, let's pretend rookies never posted anything, there is still another at question that is even more alarming considering the details that have been found...

Again...

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

IDK. But what is clear is that rookies lied about selling the card directly to Eric. He knew from the beginning what he was doing ... and perhaps hoped the receipts would never be found. Doesn't absolve Eric of always being attached to these trimmed cards; but certainly does prove rookies to be a liar.

Always amazes me what people say when the internet is forever.

Wait...how'd I miss this? what post #?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Wait...how'd I miss this? what post #?

Post #155 shows the thread from two years ago where they hashed this out already and post #158 shows the important quotes. Specifically where rookies admits he did not sell the card directly to Eric.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Wait...how'd I miss this? what post #?

Link in post #155 of this thread. NC found a very important piece of the puzzle.

[the27guy]

Ahem. Accepting apologies.

Cough cough.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Ahem. Accepting apologies.

Cough cough.

#toosoon

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Is this the thread where 27guy goes down? I've seen this script so many times. The guy NO ONE suspects, white knighting for someone else (rather bizarrely) and then bam, the truth

Delete your account.

Totally joking. This is fun.

Now.... back to the puzzle. Where did the card go between jack and Eric .....


Edit - Needschampmans - thanks for finding that. That’s awesome detail.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Now.... back to the puzzle. Where did the card go between jack and Eric .....

I already gave you my guess, it was Col Mustard.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Delete your account.

Totally joking. This is fun.

Now.... back to the puzzle. Where did the card go between jack and Eric .....


Edit - Needschampmans - thanks for finding that. That’s awesome detail.

Any chance it went to NC? Am being 100% serious

[starvela]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Delete your account.

Totally joking. This is fun.

Now.... back to the puzzle. Where did the card go between jack and Eric .....


Edit - Needschampmans - thanks for finding that. That’s awesome detail.

And what about the other puzzle, the trimmed 87/99...?

A card that was graded with 3 other cards and some were listed or sold by BNC..?

[tmar214]

That post is telling in that he didn't trim the card but also isn't exactly him admitting that he has an altered lebron exquisite RPA. Think would be naive to not expect this card is sold as a bgs 9 at some point, whether its 5 or 50 years down the line.