More fakes from China - PMG, Star Rubies, Plat Medallion - Page 7

ninjacookies · 06-23-2018, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duron

Andddd reported yet again.

The description for the BMOC is hilarious....

Lolol

When you press 'translate page' on a tentacle hentai website.

Soleternity · 06-23-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

They are manufactured in China. Primarily Guangdong.

Then the manufacturers are filtering them out to Taiwan and other neighboring cities/countries to sell so they can stay under the radar when it comes to import inspection.

Selling directly from these infamous cities in China is almost a shoe in for parcels to be confiscated and questioned, especially for products with known fakes/replicas.

This is important information. Forgive my ignorance and curiosity; how do you know this? When you say "manufacturers" who are you referring to? What printing technology are they using?

ninjacookies · 06-24-2018, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Soleternity

This is important information. Forgive my ignorance and curiosity; how do you know this? When you say "manufacturers" who are you referring to? What printing technology are they using?

Pretty common knowledge, especially if you're a reseller.

Guangdong/Shenzen (sp?) are the counterfeit capitals of the world. Basically entire large cities devoted to nothing but manufacturing plants/warehouses specializing in everything from plastic fidget spinners to replica software and large automotive parts and electronics. Pretty much everything you see wholesale on Ebay and alibaba are from there.

A lot of the legit stuff is actually manufactured in the same places they create the replicas/b-stock items. Just by rogue employees off the clock. They can use the same or similar materials but the level of craftsmanship will always be lacking and there will be subtle differences and imperfections.

They won't ship branded stuff from these cities because it's an automatic red flag for customs inspection and will inevitably become seized. So they branch the final products out to Taiwan and other 'higher class' cities and countries for shipping to try and avert this.

I have no idea how they're making these cards, but I'd wager good money in saying that they're not using run of the mill printers you can buy from office max or most local printing shops. Most likely these are large industrial printing presses similar to the ones Panini and Topps use, which is how they're able to create custom stamping dies to do intricate foil stuff.

I'm certainly no expert, but a lot of this stuff is mightily impressive despite the small nuances, which is why I've shied away from 90's and 2000's inserts completely. I reckon they'll continue refining their processes as more and more fakes become spotted, just like they do with everything else.

Stay safe.

myusasets · 06-24-2018, 02:19 AM

they will soon spread to many dealers , asian or not. protect yourself. fakes have happened before.

Soleternity · 06-24-2018, 03:44 AM

Thank you @ninjacookies.

ragingbull · 06-27-2018, 10:23 AM

@rogermaris/anyone.. there are some 1997-98 star rubies listed today from probstein. your thoughts please?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...wAAOSwEfZbMpPL

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...4AAOSwFdpbMpJn

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...oAAOSwheNbMpOl

there are more posted...

minnesotachill · 06-27-2018, 11:03 AM

The Kobe rubies, it seems like I've seen that card pop up on Ebay a few times before.

Might be worth looking into worthpoint to find them. Its also possible these have been graded before as well.

They all seem to pass the initial eye test for me so I would lean toward real.

jjohnson814 · 06-27-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ragingbull

@rogermaris/anyone.. there are some 1997-98 star rubies listed today from probstein. your thoughts please?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...wAAOSwEfZbMpPL

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...4AAOSwFdpbMpJn

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...oAAOSwheNbMpOl

there are more posted...

I was talking to rogermaris last night about them. They appear to be real! Serial numbers look good.

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brettmik59 · 06-27-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jjohnson814

I was talking to rogermaris last night about them. They appear to be real! Serial numbers look good.

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Was looking at those myself. My biggest concern was how clean the TS ones look. Maybe those don't chip as much.

rogermaris · 06-27-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ragingbull

@rogermaris/anyone.. there are some 1997-98 star rubies listed today from probstein. your thoughts please?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...wAAOSwEfZbMpPL

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...4AAOSwFdpbMpJn

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...oAAOSwheNbMpOl

there are more posted...

All appear real to me!

the27guy · 06-27-2018, 01:57 PM

Back bottom right (front bottom left) of the duncan rc looks trimmed.... no?

Jocel · 07-08-2018, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rogermaris

Just a heads up, I've identified more fakes of Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and Penny Hardaway. Those appear to be the only players so far.

Does anyone know the buyer of this Duncan? I feel like I saw someone post it here...

Is this fake?! Damn!! Just saw this landed in philippines...

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Jocel · 07-08-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rogermaris

As far as I'm aware, the regular PMGs are still safe (although there are backdoored copies with fake stamps floating around).

The parallel sets that have been faked are:

Championship PMGS
97-98 star rubies
98-99 star rubies (series 1)
96-97 platinum medallions
97-98 super raves
98-99 super raves

96-97 Z-Force Big Men On Court (Base and Z-Peat)

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6celtics33 · 07-08-2018, 09:17 PM

Also, A cut Above Die Cut

plasticmoz · 07-09-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Also, A cut Above Die Cut

Please see the following thread.

In general, around BGS 0008XXXXX is when a bunch of fakes appeared for this card. Earlier copies are safe (I can't comment on PSA graded copies of this as I haven't seen enough).

atomant989 · 07-10-2018, 03:39 PM

dont mean to hijack the thread but can any experts of these sets calm my fears a little. i have these autographics, rubies, pmg. just wanna know if u guys think these are legit

kevin garnett 96 skybox autographics by A-Train, on Flickr

charles barkley skybox rubies by A-Train, on Flickr

charles barkley autographics by A-Train, on Flickr

gary payton pmg by A-Train, on Flickr

TheRoundMound · 07-11-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by atomant989

dont mean to hijack the thread but can any experts of these sets calm my fears a little. i have these autographics, rubies, pmg. just wanna know if u guys think these are legit

kevin garnett 96 skybox autographics by A-Train, on Flickr

charles barkley skybox rubies by A-Train, on Flickr

charles barkley autographics by A-Train, on Flickr

gary payton pmg by A-Train, on Flickr

Sweet

Any chance you will sell that Barkley Rubies.

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Deadshot · 07-12-2018, 10:56 AM

This is just a regular card, right? I've seen one of the reds in person but I figure even in a group shot, the green should "pop" more than this.

COMCMax · 07-12-2018, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

This is just a regular card, right? I've seen one of the reds in person but I figure even in a group shot, the green should "pop" more than this.

I can't tell because it looks like the photo was taken with a potato lol

*it's a base. searched some base out.

MIRRABB · 07-12-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

This is just a regular card, right? I've seen one of the reds in person but I figure even in a group shot, the green should "pop" more than this.

Definitely a base card

Deadshot · 07-12-2018, 11:27 AM

Thank you!

rogermaris · 07-13-2018, 10:34 PM

Just a heads up, ian.3 has listed another fake PMG Duncan...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-MET...gAAOSwVqlbSVa2

jjohnson814 · 07-13-2018, 10:52 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Reporting the listing

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rodmanmartinez · 07-13-2018, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rogermaris

Just a heads up, ian.3 has listed another fake PMG Duncan...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-MET...gAAOSwVqlbSVa2

How can you tell this particular card is fake?

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rogermaris · 07-13-2018, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rodmanmartinez

How can you tell this particular card is fake?

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As much as I'd love to go into detail, I'm afraid it would only help the forgers improve their fakes. I've shared everything with PSA, and if anyone ever wants to know if a particular auction is fake they're welcome to PM me and I'll happily help. But I don't think sharing the specific information here is a good idea...

06-24-2018, 02:19 AM	#154
myusasets Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: texas Posts: 1,944 myusasets myusasets	fakes from china they will soon spread to many dealers , asian or not. protect yourself. fakes have happened before.

06-27-2018, 10:23 AM	#156
ragingbull Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Philippines Posts: 768	@rogermaris/anyone.. there are some 1997-98 star rubies listed today from probstein. your thoughts please? https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Sky...wAAOSwEfZbMpPL https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...4AAOSwFdpbMpJn https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Tea...oAAOSwheNbMpOl there are more posted... __________________ Main PC: TIM DUNCAN! Instagram: timduncan21_cardcollector Youtube: Revi Mayuyu’s Hobby Vlogs

07-10-2018, 03:39 PM	#166
atomant989 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: U.S.A Posts: 353 atomant989	dont mean to hijack the thread but can any experts of these sets calm my fears a little. i have these autographics, rubies, pmg. just wanna know if u guys think these are legit kevin garnett 96 skybox autographics by A-Train, on Flickr charles barkley skybox rubies by A-Train, on Flickr charles barkley autographics by A-Train, on Flickr gary payton pmg by A-Train, on Flickr __________________ Always looking for ANTHONY CARTER cards 132/169 Last edited by atomant989; 07-10-2018 at 03:50 PM.

07-12-2018, 10:56 AM	#168
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	This is just a regular card, right? I've seen one of the reds in person but I figure even in a group shot, the green should "pop" more than this. Attached Thumbnails __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

07-12-2018, 11:27 AM	#171
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Thank you! __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

06-24-2018, 03:44 AM	#155
Soleternity Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 467	Thank you @ninjacookies.

06-27-2018, 11:03 AM	#157
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,889	The Kobe rubies, it seems like I've seen that card pop up on Ebay a few times before. Might be worth looking into worthpoint to find them. Its also possible these have been graded before as well. They all seem to pass the initial eye test for me so I would lean toward real.

06-27-2018, 01:57 PM	#161
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	Back bottom right (front bottom left) of the duncan rc looks trimmed.... no?

07-08-2018, 09:17 PM	#164
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,283	Also, A cut Above Die Cut

07-13-2018, 10:34 PM	#172
rogermaris Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,204	Just a heads up, ian.3 has listed another fake PMG Duncan... https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-MET...gAAOSwVqlbSVa2 __________________ IG: @90swax

07-13-2018, 10:52 PM	#173
jjohnson814 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 1,212 joshuajohnson814	Thanks for the heads up. Reporting the listing Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk