✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He has good speed, but he also had fewer stolen bases as Freddie Freeman last season -- 23 vs 20. Fangraphs says Freeman had more baserunning runs than Ohtani last season -- 5.1 vs 3.4.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

For next season, I'm taking Judge over Ohtani all the way -- Judge is playing center field!

He has to stay healthy though. No running into walls. Hey, Judge may not be the MVP of his own team next year. It could be Soto.

[imbluestreak23]

Why do people feel the need to talk about other players in other player threads.

Shohei is about to sign for half a billion + or more. There are bright people with decision making authority who are pulling the trigger on that deal. Yordan would not get that. Are those people in decision making authority stupid? Ignorant? Explain?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

anyone who thinks that Yordan is anywhere near Ohtani in The Hobby cannot be taken seriously

remember, this part of this message board "Blowouts Hobby Talk" is about The Hobby

That's funny because there are tons of posts in this thread on his performance on the field and how he compares to others.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I see an all-time great postseason performer. I see a World Series champ. I see a franchise cornerstone, along with another epic postseason performer in Jose Altuve.

And you failing to see a large section of baseball fans despise the astros. You're not going to find too many people in the LA and NY markets saying "yeah I really like that guy on Houston, I'm going to collect his cards."

[pezzicle]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Again, has not translated to hobby success for Blue Jays players. So I’m not sure how Ohtani would get anything close to the bump in Toronto that he would in LA or New York.

oh i agree i just think it only hurts his market because the MLB market up here isn't good in general (outside of Jays players). It hurts his card market but citing "asian population" or how important Jays baseball is in Canada as reasons isn't really very valid.

The Jays card market here is massive. It's just that MLB market here is poor in general, and the population here is much smaller then in the US, due entirely to population.

But ohtani will be massive up here and it won't hurt his earing potential RE endorsements or contract etc being up here, which was stated by the poster as well.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

That's funny because there are tons of posts in this thread on his performance on the field and how he compares to others.

yea, i know. haha

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JRX

That's nice, but your comparison is to Yordan. Last 3 years Yordan has 4 triples and 2 stolen bases. Ohtani has 22 triples and 57sb. Yordan DHs because he's a one dimensional player who can't do anything else well. Ohtani DHs because he pitches. There's zero comparison.

Ohtani has been worth a whopping 10.9 base running runs during his career. Yordan has been worth -4.7 runs. That's a difference of roughly 1.5 fWAR -- peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

Yordan also plays the field, unlike Ohtani.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, i know. haha

This thread is laughable because when Ohtani is doing great on the field, his fans discuss what he's accomplishing. When he's in a slump, has a bad game pitching, or is injured, it turns into a "this thread is for his cards only."

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pezzicle

oh i agree i just think it only hurts his market because the MLB market up here isn't good in general (outside of Jays players). It hurts his card market but citing "asian population" or how important Jays baseball is in Canada as reasons isn't really very valid.

The Jays card market here is massive. It's just that MLB market here is poor in general, and the population here is much smaller then in the US, due entirely to population.

But ohtani will be massive up here and it won't hurt his earing potential RE endorsements or contract etc being up here, which was stated by the poster as well.

I guess I don’t understand what the argument is then. Move to Toronto would be bad compared to what could have been for Ohtani’s hobby market.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

This thread is laughable because when Ohtani is doing great on the field, his fans discuss what he's accomplishing. When he's in a slump, has a bad game pitching, or is injured, it turns into a "this thread is for his cards only."

its great for The Hobby when he is playing well, no doubt about that.

Cards above everything else for me, 100%

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Why do people feel the need to talk about other players in other player threads.

Shohei is about to sign for half a billion + or more. There are bright people with decision making authority who are pulling the trigger on that deal. Yordan would not get that. Are those people in decision making authority stupid? Ignorant? Explain?

It's called marketability. It's not a baseball decision -- it's an ownership decision.

Yordan has won a championship -- Ohtani wins in marketing. I collect players based on performance.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Ohtani has been worth a whopping 10.9 base running runs during his career. Yordan has been worth -4.7 runs. That's a difference of roughly 1.5 fWAR -- peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

Yordan also plays the field, unlike Ohtani.

Put the calculator down and watch the games. Yordan also only played 40 games in LF. That was also the lowest total of the last three years and he still can't stay healthy. Nobody is saying he's not a great hitter, but he's not anywhere as great a player as Ohtani. Baseball is more than just standing in the batters box 4-5x a game.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

its great for The Hobby when he is playing well, no doubt about that.

Cards above everything else for me, 100%

If he never pitches again, struggles, or becomes injury prone -- he already is injury prone from a pitching standpoint -- the bag holders will remember this moment in time.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

It's called marketability. It's not a baseball decision -- it's an ownership decision.

Yordan has won a championship -- Ohtani wins in marketing. I collect players based on performance.

Oh and Yordan has a higher performance? And why is Shohei so marketable yet Yordan isn't despite winning the all mighty ring?

Is Yordan more marketable than Griffey Jr. was in the 90s? Why isn't he also on commercials?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Oh and Yordan has a higher performance? And why is Shohei so marketable yet Yordan isn't despite winning the all mighty ring?

Is Yordan more marketable than Griffey Jr. was in the 90s? Why isn't he also on commercials?

He's got the Astros taint. He could have been marketable like Big Papi otherwise.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

If he never pitches again, struggles, or becomes injury prone -- he already is injury prone from a pitching standpoint -- the bag holders will remember this moment in time.

He's been more durable as a two-way player than Yordan has as a part time LF.

[ThoseBackPages]

There is nothing wrong with being a stats nerd, but to not see why Ohtani is who he is in the hobby is crazy to me.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He's got the Astros taint. He could have been marketable like Big Papi otherwise.

There is nothing he can do that can compare to Ortiz leading Bos to its first world series in almost 100 years.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

There is nothing wrong with being a stats nerd, but to not see why Ohtani is who he is in the hobby is crazy to me.

The stats supported his greatness the last three seasons. It's his performance going forward that becomes suspect. A glorified DH can only be so valuable.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Just saw a post on a Shohei FB group (it's since been removed) regarding his landing spot in FA. Obviously 99.9% chance fake news, .1% chance something leaked.

Apparently the posters friend is a sports agent, and he knows Shohei was very close to becoming a Texas Ranger but has decided against it - now there's only 2 teams left in the running, the Blue Jays and the Dodgers. According to this agent, Shohei is going to sign a 2 year, $100 million contract with the Toronto Blue Jays.

Teehee.

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Posted on Nov 30th. Maybe that FB poster had some inside info after all!

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[zworykin]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

There is nothing wrong with being a stats nerd, but to not see why Ohtani is who he is in the hobby is crazy to me.

Your post was two words too long.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The stats supported his greatness the last three seasons. It's his performance going forward that becomes suspect. A glorified DH can only be so valuable.

He could play OF as well or better than Yordan TODAY. He's not going to be a DH only for the rest of his career.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by hammertime

He could play OF as well or better than Yordan TODAY. He's not going to be a DH only for the rest of his career.

He could. He's a great athlete -- we'll see.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

If he signs with Toronto, I’ll be interested in seeing the “opt-out/no-trade” language in the contract.