First Buzz: 2018 Topps Heritage baseball cards

[Tim]

Originally Posted by prospects

2017 heritage boxes are only 154 on blowout with judge in them. If those are not nuts, how will this be nuts?

they were $200 during Judge mania.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by Vols243

Been keeping up with the thread, seems like a lot of good points both ways and should be an interesting release. I wish I had the money to buy a case at this point since where I ordered from is only shipping a 1/10th of what was ordered. Because I do enjoy building this set. But, people are paying these prices so why blame the places for jacking up the prices if they're selling. What's going to hurt or be interesting is the average collector that buys 3-4 boxes a year at $80ish what will they do this year? Buy 1-2 boxes or just buy a set for $30 off ebay and not risk getting a janky relic.

What does kinda grind my gears are all these LCS that order 6-8 months ago direct and pretty much the same price they've paid every year and been selling for $80ish a box now selling for $125+ because they think they have to compete with BO. Then say but if I price low and I sell out I might have a hard time getting restock....who cares. If I got by 1st couple boxes at $90-100 a pop then came back a week later I'd be more likely to spend $125 on a box than if I started out at $125....I could see a lot of LCS still with a lot of these boxes on their shelves this time next year right next to the 2014 Bowman chrome football.

I don't own a LCS, but if I did, why wouldn't I price it near BO, which is the "market price"?
Why would I sell it for significantly less than what anyone who is looking to buy it would need to pay for it?
Sure, I can sell it for $100 or $110 for the "local/regular discount" or whatever you want to call it, but why would I sell it for $80?
That's not how you run a (successful/profitable) business.

If we want stores to have "sales", which is discounting the price to meet the reduced demand, why shouldnt stores have a 'regular' price that is also simply meeting demand?
And of course, if none of my customers are willing to pay $125, I will know that fairly quickly, and I can just lower my price.

econ101

[Tim]

If I owned an LCS and a regular who bought 4 boxes of H EVERY YEAR came in i'd charge him the $80.00. If a non-regular came in, I'd be at $125.00. It's that simple.

[ThoseBackPages]

#ThanksDistributors

[mfisher27]

Not counting the autos since there are only 1-3 a case, I don't think the action will be short printed relative to other action variations. It's not a stand alone SP, it's part of the action set. I can't see Topps making a 25 card insert set with 1 of them being more short printed than the others.

Originally Posted by Pixman1

The only ones who will be bitter are those foolish enough to buy in to group breaks at these prices. I am pretty sure Ohtani is going to be an SSSP - when they pay $200+ for the Angels spot and come away with nothing there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

Not counting the autos since there are only 1-3 a case, I don't think the action will be short printed relative to other action variations. It's not a stand alone SP, it's part of the action set. I can't see Topps making a 25 card insert set with 1 of them being more short printed than the others.

i agree, should be one Ohtani every other case or so

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by Tim

If I owned an LCS and a regular who bought 4 boxes of H EVERY YEAR came in i'd charge him the $80.00. If a non-regular came in, I'd be at $125.00. It's that simple.

Sounds great until they talk to each other, what do you do when that happens?

[Tim]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Sounds great until they talk to each other, what do you do when that happens?

they don't - the regular is going to be taken care of and he's going to know why and know not to say anything. not rocket science.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Vols243

Been keeping up with the thread, seems like a lot of good points both ways and should be an interesting release. I wish I had the money to buy a case at this point since where I ordered from is only shipping a 1/10th of what was ordered. Because I do enjoy building this set. But, people are paying these prices so why blame the places for jacking up the prices if they're selling. What's going to hurt or be interesting is the average collector that buys 3-4 boxes a year at $80ish what will they do this year? Buy 1-2 boxes or just buy a set for $30 off ebay and not risk getting a janky relic.

What does kinda grind my gears are all these LCS that order 6-8 months ago direct and pretty much the same price they've paid every year and been selling for $80ish a box now selling for $125+ because they think they have to compete with BO. Then say but if I price low and I sell out I might have a hard time getting restock....who cares. If I got by 1st couple boxes at $90-100 a pop then came back a week later I'd be more likely to spend $125 on a box than if I started out at $125....I could see a lot of LCS still with a lot of these boxes on their shelves this time next year right next to the 2014 Bowman chrome football.

You make a good point about paying the same price, but you are not taking into consideration the market and profit and loss. If BO was selling boxes for $55, would you still pay your LCS $80? You have to profit when an item is hot because so many are not. Now should you be charging $125 for a box, not in my opinion. It's not a $125 product. But on a product that costs roughly $55 or so per box, $80 - $90 in any other business would be a fair markup. Except sportscards of course!

[ThoseBackPages]

#OHRISE!!!

[HadWayTooMuch]

To be clear, FALSE MARKET did not come out right.

I should have said, "SET THE MARKET." So forgive me.

What I mean is this. Most LCS won't be able to sell at those inflated prices in a million years. And if they did, they could really piss off a customer base.

If I'm selling Product X for $125 (when they are used to paying $80) today and then drop it to $80 in a week or two (if the product slides,) my small customer base is going to be really pissed.

Obviously BO customer base doesn't mind the prices flying all over the place and if one person leaves them, do they really care?

The bottom line, like it or not, BO sets the market. Sometimes I wonder if people really buy at these inflated prices though!

[Pixman1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i agree, should be one Ohtani every other case or so

No I agree that the action variant won’t be short printed. I was referencing the auto. Gamblers won’t be chasing the action card.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Pixman1

No I agree that the action variant won’t be short printed. I was referencing the auto. Gamblers won’t be chasing the action card.

ahhhh yea. i cant imagine the auto being better then 1:20 cases

[prospects]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I collected in 2001 during the "ichiro craze" The Asian market goes wild over MLB players.

If Ohtani is as advertised boxes will be 200++ easily.

Did you forget what 2015 HHH box prices were with Bryant/Correa?

did not follow heritage at the time but thanks for informing me

[DJP73]

You have to remember that that once The LCS sells all his Heritage, He has to reload at a much higher price. So why would he sell it for 80.00 a box.

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by vanpatten

I think his statement about BO specifically creating a false market is off, but I can see what he's saying. I think we see a lot of "pump and dump" in sports cards. There's no one person responsible for the pump. The real victims are the ones chasing a high, snatching up these $1500 cases in hopes of hitting an over-hyped rookie who hasn't played a single MLB game or pitched for more than 160 innings in a season.

...who shall remain nameless...

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Pixman1

No I agree that the action variant won’t be short printed. I was referencing the auto. Gamblers won’t be chasing the action card.

*Clectors

[blackbears86]

[QUOTE=HadWayTooMuch;13273341]To be clear, FALSE MARKET did not come out right.

I should have said, "SET THE MARKET." So forgive me.

What I mean is this. Most LCS won't be able to sell at those inflated prices in a million years. And if they did, they could really piss off a customer base.

If I'm selling Product X for $125 (when they are used to paying $80) today and then drop it to $80 in a week or two (if the product slides,) my small customer base is going to be really pissed.

Obviously BO customer base doesn't mind the prices flying all over the place and if one person leaves them, do they really care?

The bottom line, like it or not, BO sets the market. Sometimes I wonder if people really buy at these inflated prices though![/QUOTE]


I wonder that too. I know a lot of members here wouldn't even THINK about touching a box of heritage for the current asking price. But members here probably are a very small percentage of box buyers on BO.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by prospects

did not follow heritage at the time but thanks for informing me

I'm sure other members will correct me, but at the peak of the Bryant craze, I think hobby boxes of 2015 HHH were going for $225 plus.

Crazy price for a box with an original release price of around $80.

[jeeep]

Originally Posted by Tim

If I owned an LCS and a regular who bought 4 boxes of H EVERY YEAR came in i'd charge him the $80.00. If a non-regular came in, I'd be at $125.00. It's that simple.

What kind of logic is that??? One thing is for sure, that "non-regular" customer will NEVER become a "regular" customer with that kind of business ethics. Sorry, that just doesn't add up.

[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by jeeep

What kind of logic is that??? One thing is for sure, that "non-regular" customer will NEVER become a "regular" customer with that kind of business ethics. Sorry, that just doesn't add up.

Let's be real here. Those people who have never been to (random LCS) and show up just looking for Heritage are not going to return to buy other products that are not hot and can be bought at cut rate prices online.

They want the super hot stuff from the LCS at the normal price, but they will go back to buy the average stuff online at cut rate prices.

I am sure other store owners can echo these same examples.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by Tim

they don't - the regular is going to be taken care of and he's going to know why and know not to say anything. not rocket science.

Originally Posted by jeeep

What kind of logic is that??? One thing is for sure, that "non-regular" customer will NEVER become a "regular" customer with that kind of business ethics. Sorry, that just doesn't add up.

But...but...it's "not rocket science".

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Let's be real here. Those people who have never been to (random LCS) and show up just looking for Heritage are not going to return to buy other products that are not hot and can be bought at cut rate prices online.

They want the super hot stuff from the LCS at the normal price, but they will go back to buy the average stuff online at cut rate prices.

I am sure other store owners can echo these same examples.

In my previous location, this was the story of my business. If an item was hot and I was lower than internet, they'd come pouring in. But they'd only buy those hot items.

Where I am now, my customers buy everything so they will be taken care of. But seriously, I lived that horribly in my previous location.

[mfisher27]

Not a $45 swing like that but I get a little break on prices at my LCS. Makes sense to give regular customers a little break on the price.

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Let's be real here. Those people who have never been to (random LCS) and show up just looking for Heritage are not going to return to buy other products that are not hot and can be bought at cut rate prices online.

They want the super hot stuff from the LCS at the normal price, but they will go back to buy the average stuff online at cut rate prices.

I am sure other store owners can echo these same examples.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Let's be real here. Those people who have never been to (random LCS) and show up just looking for Heritage are not going to return to buy other products that are not hot and can be bought at cut rate prices online.

They want the super hot stuff from the LCS at the normal price, but they will go back to buy the average stuff online at cut rate prices.

I am sure other store owners can echo these same examples.

An LCS that does that is obviously not looking for repeat business if you ask me. And we ask why so many are going out of business? Sure, I go to a LCS that has two prices, club membership prices and regular prices and nothing is done under the table for so called friends or regulars. Buy a membership for $20 and you get the discounted price on everything for a year.