Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by dgr81

looks like twinsjake sold 528 griffey's at $17.25 (presell price).

he has currently sold 107 ripken's and 66 rivera's.

based on some rudimentary math i predict a PR of < 35k ripken's and < 20k rivera's.

I don't know what you're looking at. He sold way more than that on the Griffey. I'll bet the house on over 20k Rivera. Clemente weeks ago from JK5 did almost 9k. I guess the same morons out on the Griffey Shore 25k train are out on today's cards too.

[Stekers]

Originally Posted by mudflap02

For the life of me I can’t figure out why some people are posting on this thread so much. I miss the heady positive times of 2 days ago.

Seriously, if your only goal is to be “the guy who was right in the end, no matter what” on an internet baseball card forum, reevaluate your life. It’s sad and I feel sorry for whatever else must be lacking in your life to keep drawing you back to this thread like a moth to a flame.

I post here because I like the cards, and I enjoy the commentary. If you enjoy neither, I encourage you to seek out hobbies and social interactions that might have a more positive effect on your life.

agree 100%... i was excited to catch up the last few pages since i was out and its all negative talk

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Would it be better if I was pissing rocket ships?

You (though less than most) and others are in here singing it’s virtues. “No Trout under $50”.

Then everybody reads that, buys it, print run at XXXk and people lose their ass when they won’t be able to move at a profit.

640,000. That’s the total number of eBay sales that have sold since 2004 with “Mike Trout” in the title. Out of those, 505,000 have sold for $50 or less. In history.

If the average Trout in the set has a PR of 35,000, thats 700,000 total Mike Trouts produced.

I suspect the average will be higher than that, but whatever.

Still awaiting your PM for your bet.

Remember, before we do, 79% of Trouts ever sold on eBay have gone for $50 or less.

im not worried about baseball cards. this set is 5% baseball card nerds, 95% society

you keep barking out all these stats about trout cards though, for some reason

[tier1dc]

who thinks there's a snap back with print run after this Griffey disaster?

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Today didn't do jack to deter flippers. This has to happen for WEEKS for it to go back to under 25k print runs.

Really? I pointed out earlier a hand sanitizer seller who has 40 of each of today's card and no prior sports card sales. He's got them listed for a loss after fees. You think he's coming back with another $1200 tomorrow? Now multiply that by how many others like him are out there. They will be gone quickly.

[CollectorScott]

Everything in the world that is bought has been flipped from the seller. All product is flipped. Tires, peanut butter, baseball cards. Flipping is good as product eventually finds an end user. Project 2020 will survive!

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

For anyone looking for a combined GIF, here ya go.

this is GOLD

[badlarrys]

#5kfanny #10kichiro

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[ThoseBackPages]

ok, lets wager $100 USD

if on May 27th, 2021 there are no cards numbered 91 though 400 selling for at least $50, you win

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

this is GOLD

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

For anyone looking for a combined GIF, here ya go.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by mudflap02

For the life of me I can’t figure out why some people are posting on this thread so much. I miss the heady positive times of 2 days ago.

Seriously, if your only goal is to be “the guy who was right in the end, no matter what” on an internet baseball card forum, reevaluate your life. It’s sad and I feel sorry for whatever else must be lacking in your life to keep drawing you back to this thread like a moth to a flame.

I post here because I like the cards, and I enjoy the commentary. If you enjoy neither, I encourage you to seek out hobbies and social interactions that might have a more positive effect on your life.

"Well mudflap, I'm glad you said that, quite frankly, arguing on the internet is the closest we ever get to goin' to the movies."

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

who thinks there's a snap back with print run after this Griffey disaster?

eBay pre-sells for Williams and Koufax haven't even reached 50% of the quantity where Ryan ended at 12:59pm today. Still have to get through the overnight hours, but looking like interest in those two is down quite a bit.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you stated that ALL cards #91 - 400 will NEVER seller at or over $50 on the secondary market

That's not what I laid out on the bet pages back. Without going through all my posts I don't think that is what I said. I said or at least meant that once all the super high pr cards are IN HAND they will not on a consistent basis sell for over $50 a card. I may be a little dramatic saying none of the 91-400 cards ever will because if there are weeks upon weeks of huge print runs and in say around card 150 print runs go way down then those cards where pr is way down can get over $50. If every day moving forward is like today's print runs not a single card from 87 through 400 will when in hand sell on a consistent basis of over $50 a card.

[AlexHunter]

Over/Under on [mention]TwinsJake [/mention] $10 Mil profit by the end lol. Killin it brotha so proud of you!!!!


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[Archimedes]

100% genuine, non-troll question... can someone please explain to me what's going on with these? I don't understand why something that's not in a limited quantity and can be purchased by anyone from topps.com is being flipped at multiples. Is it just the earlier cards that you can't get anymore?

Clearly, I haven't been following this closely, but I see this thread growing every day, and I'm confused.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

That's not what I laid out on the bet pages back. Without going through all my posts I don't think that is what I said. I said or at least meant that once all the super high pr cards are IN HAND they will not on a consistent basis sell for over $50 a card. I may be a little dramatic saying none of the 91-400 cards ever will because if there are weeks upon weeks of huge print runs and in say around card 150 print runs go way down then those cards where pr is way down can get over $50. If every day moving forward is like today's print runs not a single card from 87 through 400 will when in hand sell on a consistent basis of over $50 a card.

yea, thats fair if all cards going forward are 100K plus, then most will be under $50

[JPWisco]

Troll Griffey has caused people to abandon ship en masse meaning that future Project 2020 cards will then see a return to low print runs because the hype is dead and thus the values will go up again.

[Andr3000]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

eBay pre-sells for Williams and Koufax haven't even reached 50% of the quantity where Ryan ended at 12:59pm today. Still have to get through the overnight hours, but looking like interest in those two is down quite a bit.

and that's good!

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by badlarrys

#5kfanny #10kichiro

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Dats what we need to turn this ship around.


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[ninjacookies]

Doing trading for a living, we're most likely entering the anxiety phase.




There will be some shake outs incoming. Obviously, certain cards will be affected more than others based on various factors.

And etopps isn't quite a 1:1 comparison because these cards have artist celebrity ties and are more of a modern social media clout experiment.

Data is now the most expensive commodity known to man...which is why social media influencers like Kylie Jenner are worth more than many senior executive moguls.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

100% genuine, non-troll question... can someone please explain to me what's going on with these? I don't understand why something that's not in a limited quantity and can be purchased by anyone from topps.com is being flipped at multiples. Is it just the earlier cards that you can't get anymore?

Clearly, I haven't been following this closely, but I see this thread growing every day, and I'm confused.

Demand shot up after the ordering closed. As a result older print (aka the first cards in the set) are in high demand. Some of us caught in early but now the print runs are running up and it’s causing some concern for some. Early prints are going to be wanted for a long long time. They will be iconic.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Doing trading for a living, we're most likely entering the anxiety phase.




There will be some shake outs incoming. Obviously, certain cards will be affected more than others based on various factors.

And etopps isn't quite a 1:1 comparison because these cards have artist celebrity ties and are more of a modern social media clout experiment.

Data is now the most expensive commodity known to man...which is why social media influencers like Kylie Jenner are worth more than many senior executive moguls.

Is this a graph of my wife's emotions on date nights?

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ok, lets wager $100 USD

if on May 27th, 2021 there are no cards numbered 91 though 400 selling for at least $50, you win

That wasn't what I laid out. And even if I win 1. I'm not going to risk my account getting banned gambling $100 with you and 2. I have no way of guarantee I get paid. Last bet I made $100 or more I got screwed out of $1,000 on a Super Bowl bet I won. So what is the upside for me? I hope I'm wrong and you're right. But I will be buying these and if my track record is any indication I can guarantee you the road is not looking good for cards 87-400.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Demand shot up after the ordering closed. As a result older print (aka the first cards in the set) are in high demand. Some of us caught in early but now the print runs are running up and it’s causing some concern for some. Early prints are going to be wanted for a long long time. They will be iconic.

Ohhhhh... These are print-to-order? So now that people have caught on that the early ones are being resold, everyone and their brother is buying every release and trying to flip them?