✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Has there ever been a player in the past sign somewhere different in the offseason to cause prices to jump significantly?

I'm failing to see why the needle on his cards would move up so much just from moving across town during the offseason. Also, considering it is known he won't be pitching this year so his MVP chance is a lot smaller.

Because depending on where he goes gives the chance he gets a ring. In addition to what Trueblu said.

If he stays with the Angels I think prices stay where they are maybe even go lower.

He goes to the Dodgers then not only does he become a strong MVP candidate (even without the pitching he would have been a top 3 contender this year) but he now has an incredible chance to be a super star on a World Series team.

I've also seen some articles saying Rangers are possible, that would be something too. I doubt it'll happen, but can you imagine what would happen if the team that just won the World Series announced they signed Ohtani?

Super stars with a ring get a bump in value. I think people will be willing to gamble that Ohtani's value would go up, significantly, if he won a ring. As such, they'll try to buy ahead of the jump.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Because depending on where he goes gives the chance he gets a ring. In addition to what Trueblu said.

If he stays with the Angels I think prices stay where they are maybe even go lower.

He goes to the Dodgers then not only does he become a strong MVP candidate (even without the pitching he would have been a top 3 contender this year) but he now has an incredible chance to be a super star on a World Series team.

I've also seen some articles saying Rangers are possible, that would be something too. I doubt it'll happen, but can you imagine what would happen if the team that just won the World Series announced they signed Ohtani?

Super stars with a ring get a bump in value. I think people will be willing to gamble that Ohtani's value would go up, significantly, if he won a ring. As such, they'll try to buy ahead of the jump.

I think without pitching and voters fatigue, the bar is going to be a lot higher for him to win MVP next year. I get the hype about going to a contender but the postseason is way too unpredictable. I'm also not a big gambler but I realize a lot of hobbyists are.

[The_Reverend]

I think Ohtani would fit in well in Texas because the fan base is strong there is a lot of money in Texas, but the Rangers has never had a star like him since The Ryan Express. I think he will stay on the West Coast

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by shaqobe

Lucas Giolito describing Ohtani's work ethic and what it was like being his teammate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLMtJq2oiSI&t=1062s

Thanks for sharing. We knew about Sho being awesome, but otherwise kind of confirms that the Angels front office is beyond awful. People need to be treated like human beings and communicated to. I'm over him leaving at this point.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Bcr

I think without pitching and voters fatigue, the bar is going to be a lot higher for him to win MVP next year. I get the hype about going to a contender but the postseason is way too unpredictable. I'm also not a big gambler but I realize a lot of hobbyists are.

I think people just want to watch Sho play in games that matter. A talent like that does not deserve to be dwelling in an awful organization like the halos. Baseball needs it's biggest stars to be on the biggest stage and you're going to get that storyline for 162 games and the post season if he's with the Dodgers. Not 85 games and 77 garbage time matches. That is exciting as hell and excitement drives demand, last I checked.

[Bcr]

Just got these back from PSA. The Silver Pack was originally an SGC 9 so very happy about that.

[ThoseBackPages]

nice!

[hammertime]

Nice! Man I can't even get a 10 to cross and you're over here turning 9s into 10s!

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Nice! Man I can't even get a 10 to cross and you're over here turning 9s into 10s!

They're incredibly inconsistent in how they interpret the Refractor lines that are on all of them. It's truly a roulette spin.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

They're incredibly inconsistent in how they interpret the Refractor lines that are on all of them. It's truly a roulette spin.

Yeah I figured it would be a shot in the dark, but I'm glad it worked out in my favor. I don't grade much but my dad was submitting some cards and decided to throw those in.

[Cards and 401K]

Possible Ranger in 24?


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[ThoseBackPages]

lets hope not!

[Trueblue]

Excited to hear about all the Sho rumors and news leaking from the winter conference over the next few days! Especially details about the procedure.

[ThoseBackPages]

after New York, rooting for Seattle

[theredmenace]

Hope he lands up the 5 a bit just to spite Moreno. Selfishly that would also let me see him a in-person a couple more times per year.

[Trueblue]

The more I think about it, the winner is likely going to be a corporate owned team. The entity would need to see beyond immediate baseball impact and have a plan to extrapolate value out of becoming an entire country's new favorite team. Not sit back and count pennies from merch/ad sales like old Arty. Based on that, M's and Dodgers fit the mold. They are both healthy contenders and should be prepared to match any offer, then win the tie breaker due to westcoast bias.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

The more I think about it, the winner is likely going to be a corporate owned team. The entity would need to see beyond immediate baseball impact and have a plan to extrapolate value out of becoming an entire country's new favorite team. Not sit back and count pennies from merch/ad sales like old Arty. Based on that, M's and Dodgers fit the mold. They are both healthy contenders and should be prepared to match any offer, then win the tie breaker due to westcoast bias.

I don't think that will be an issue for a team like yankees. I still think he goes to dodgers.

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[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by JRX

I don't think that will be an issue for a team like yankees. I still think he goes to dodgers.

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I would tend to agree but let's put it this way - you're not just signing Shohei Ohtani, you're signing support and 98% of eyeballs, every single day, from the second largest economy in the world.

You would need to look at current ownership groups and existing partnerships to see who is best positioned to harvest this type of tailwind (Nintendo, New Balance, etc). That's the team that should be ready to pay beyond whatever WAR or any baseball centric stat that says what Sho is worth. To me, it isn't a great synergy fit with the Yankees given that the steinbrenners are primary to the baseball business. They won't pay beyond the baseball worth.

This is well beyond the game. So exciting!

[al3xmac10]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I would tend to agree but let's put it this way - you're not just signing Shohei Ohtani, you're signing support and 98% of eyeballs, every single day, from the second largest economy in the world.

You would need to look at current ownership groups and existing partnerships to see who is best positioned to harvest this type of tailwind (Nintendo, New Balance, etc). That's the team that should be ready to pay beyond whatever WAR or any baseball centric stat that says what Sho is worth. To me, it isn't a great synergy fit with the Yankees given that the steinbrenners are primary to the baseball business. They won't pay beyond the baseball worth.

This is well beyond the game. So exciting!

I would think that the Dodgers would fit this mold, just because of their experience with Hideo Nomo...
What do you think of the San Francisco Giants?

[JRX]

The dodgers had nomo marines had ichiro, yankees had Matsui. They're all quite capable of handling ohtani.

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[zworykin]

Mets Mets Mets... Mets Mets Mets...

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by al3xmac10

I would think that the Dodgers would fit this mold, just because of their experience with Hideo Nomo...

What do you think of the San Francisco Giants?

Dodgers don't have an obvious Japan partnership, but have a bunch of small tailwinds that add up. Heavy and affluent Asian population, infrastructure to harness tourism, and forward thinking ownership group that is willing to spend on indirect baseball investments. Japanese people also love Magic Johnson - not sure why. On top of that, they will also swallow a share of the OC fanbase. Nobody is going to be burning #17 jerseys and many will begrudgingly follow.

The giants have been pretty poor at attracting star talent - not sure why, but it's been painfully obvious. They haven't had an offensive FA star signing since Bonds. Just feels kind of stuffy with an older owner.

[hammertime]

I don't think he has any interest in playing for the Yankees.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by JRX

The dodgers had nomo marines had ichiro, yankees had Matsui. They're all quite capable of handling ohtani.

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I think you're missing the point that whoever wins the Ohtani sweepstakes is going to be paying for him beyond actual baseball value and should have existing synergies. It doesn't take much to "handle" a guy that is zero drama and just plays baseball. This isn't 1990, pretty sure any club can handle an Asian player.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think you're missing the point that whoever wins the Ohtani sweepstakes is going to be paying for him beyond actual baseball value and should have existing synergies. It doesn't take much to "handle" a guy that is zero drama and just plays baseball. This isn't 1990, pretty sure any club can handle an Asian player.

I think you're missing the point if you think the yankees, the richest and most well know franchise on the planet, don't understand the business side aspect of ohtani.

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