2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[chezball]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

LOL. Keep being duped by CNN.

Don't mind him, he's still chasing Russians.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

He's the only president that had the balls to handle NK.
Unlike all the presidents before him. We aren't close to war with them Iran
If she would have won, we would be at war with Russia now and there would have been a draft.
You have no idea the bullet this country dodged by not voting her in.

Kim is still testing missiles after Trump exclaimed they had a deal. Trump met with Kim 2 or 3 times and accomplished nothing except giving Kim the world stage. Weak.
Funny how you think that killing an Iranian general and then Iran launching missiles back at our troops does not mean we weren’t close to a war.
I am being serious but why do you think Clinton would’ve been at war with Russia and we would have a draft? Where did that come from?

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

LOL. Keep being duped by CNN.

I don’t do CNN. Which site do you go to to get your news? Breitbart? Infowars? Daily Caller? QAnon?

[natbornkiller]

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

Don't mind him, he's still chasing Russians.

I guess you didn’t see all the reports from the our intel agencies. Probably too busy getting ready to send our leaders to Guantanamo during The Storm.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

War is a theme of the Republican Party.

I thank the adults in the room from stopping Trump and his instigating with NK and Iran. In what world does a POTUS call another loose cannon dictator “Rocket Man”? How close were we to a war with Iran? We do not need another needless and unwanted war.

Yes Obama and today's dems never support war. Obama's a good boy and a big boy.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

War is a theme of the Republican Party.

I thank the adults in the room from stopping Trump and his instigating with NK and Iran. In what world does a POTUS call another loose cannon dictator “Rocket Man”? How close were we to a war with Iran? We do not need another needless and unwanted war.

God forbid Trump himself could do something right.

Trump does something I disagree with - Idiot! Orange Man! Drumpf! WW3?!?

Trump does something I agree with - It was the other people.

[preakness]

It's garbage that chief illliwek can't perform yet FSU guy throws flaming spear at midfield

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Took a time travel back to November 2016 and read through some of the comments in that thread from the night of the election and day after... holy moly there was a lot of fear-mongering.

Thank you for this, it's absolutely fabulous!

[alpine]

If I ever want to get disillusioned, all I have to do is read some comments on here. The negativity is astonishing. It is a good indicator. Just a simple political thread on our favorite Sports Card Forum.

What is the point of even trying to argue or change someone else's opinion? It seems verified facts & actual evidence do not matter anymore. Opinion, power & whoever has the loudest voice & the most money seem to carry the most weight.

Politically, people are entrenched. This country is fully divided. Both political parties 100% hate each other. Where will this time frame go down in our history? A lot of people whether it is a corporation or a dictator want a divided U.S. It serves their purpose.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Remember in November if you are voting for Bloomberg that his biggest contribution so far is eliminating large sodas from your diet. What a clown. Please do better Dems.

To be fair, (if we want to go this direction...and it's not a great direction), this time in 2016, Donald Trump's greatest contribution what...inflating his own wealth and calling people names?

There's really no comparison when it comes to business acumen, wealth or influence.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by chezball

He's the only president that had the balls to handle NK.
Unlike all the presidents before him. We aren't close to war with them Iran
If she would have won, we would be at war with Russia now and there would have been a draft.
You have no idea the bullet this country dodged by not voting her in.

So wait a minute, are you claiming that tensions with Iran are LOWER under Trump than they were under Obama?

Sure, under Obama Iran was behind the sabotage of a few oil tankers and other ships in the Gulf of Oman. And yes, under Obama we saw a rocket explode less than a mile from the US Embassy in Baghdad. And then there was that other incident in the Gulf of Oman a month or so later after silly idle threats from Obama. Then that drone got shot down by Iran under Obama. Then that attack on a US military base under Obama where dozens of American soldiers were injured. (EDITOR'S NOTE: "Obama" should be replaced with "Trump" in the above paragraph.)

So you're totally right...a lot less tension with Iran under Trump than Obama.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by discostu

So wait a minute, are you claiming that tensions with Iran are LOWER under Trump than they were under Obama?

Sure, under Obama Iran was behind the sabotage of a few oil tankers and other ships in the Gulf of Oman. And yes, under Obama we saw a rocket explode less than a mile from the US Embassy in Baghdad. And then there was that other incident in the Gulf of Oman a month or so later after silly idle threats from Obama. Then that drone got shot down by Iran under Obama. Then that attack on a US military base under Obama where dozens of American soldiers were injured. (EDITOR'S NOTE: "Obama" should be replaced with "Trump" in the above paragraph.)

So you're totally right...a lot less tension with Iran under Trump than Obama.

I really don’t know so these are all legitimate questions but didn’t we give Iran a ton of money? If so, couldn’t that money be used to do terrible acts with? Why would we fund countries that aren’t exactly known as peaceful? Says we owed them money?

It’s all very confusing.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I really don’t know so these are all legitimate questions but didn’t we give Iran a ton of money? If so, couldn’t that money be used to do terrible acts with? Why would we fund countries that aren’t exactly known as peaceful? Says we owed them money?

It’s all very confusing.

We did and it has.

[zachtruitt]

We fund Saudi Arabia and someone wanted our soldiers to be used as pawns for them as long as they paid us.

[Siberian13]

We should just stop funding other countries and focus on fixing ourselves. We’re like the alcoholic that wants to help others with their drug abuse issues.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

We should just stop funding other countries and focus on fixing ourselves. We’re like the alcoholic that wants to help others with their drug abuse issues.

Issue is that we will not have influence and/or access to resources in those countries.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Issue is that we will not have influence and/or access to resources in those countries.

Resources sure but influence? We don’t have to give them money, just buy what is needed. What resource is needed that can’t be found in other places?

[IronMonkey415]

Well Well Well...this thread is still around.
I'm a communist know by the way. I've talked to a few people and they open up my eyes.
America needs to be crushed.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Well Well Well...this thread is still around.
I'm a communist know by the way. I've talked to a few people and they open up my eyes.
America needs to be crushed.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Well Well Well...this thread is still around.
I'm a communist know by the way. I've talked to a few people and they open up my eyes.
America needs to be crushed.

Was probably Ned. Ned Isaacov.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

We should just stop funding other countries and focus on fixing ourselves. We’re like the alcoholic that wants to help others with their drug abuse issues.

And Trump has now been rightfully cutting foreign aid. Unfortunately, the mass amounts of foreign aid began due to the Cold War and our desire to influence Nations to our side instead of the Soviets. I'm not sure what good giving aid to countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have done for us in the political realm; especially at the useless UN.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Resources sure but influence? We don’t have to give them money, just buy what is needed. What resource is needed that can’t be found in other places?

Our money buys mercenaries like the Kurds to fight ISIS or Afghan fighters to help us after 9-11. America also bought influence to be able to place our weapons in their countries. Back in the 50s, we paid off groups to overthrow the ruling government so we can have a say in geopolitical relations when the new government was installed.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

And Trump has now been rightfully cutting foreign aid. Unfortunately, the mass amounts of foreign aid began due to the Cold War and our desire to influence Nations to our side instead of the Soviets. I'm not sure what good giving aid to countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have done for us in the political realm; especially at the useless UN.

Now we just sell our soldiers to the Saudis.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Our money buys mercenaries like the Kurds to fight ISIS or Afghan fighters to help us after 9-11. America also bought influence to be able to place our weapons in their countries. Back in the 50s, we paid off groups to overthrow the ruling government so we can have a say in geopolitical relations when the new government was installed.

Sounds like we should just stay out of other people's business.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Sounds like we should just stay out of other people's business.

Only if you want to weaken ourselves.