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[pejc300]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Just got this beauty in!!


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Would love to hear what you paid for this. Gotta be 4x now?

[pejc300]

Wow, his Prizm PSA 10s down to $600ish. This card's prices swing more than Hugh Hefner in 1976. It goes from $500 to $1,000 and back down like a yo yo. I gotta sell on the next ride up.

[WalterAZ31]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Wow, his Prizm PSA 10s down to $600ish. This card's prices swing more than Hugh Hefner in 1976. It goes from $500 to $1,000 and back down like a yo yo. I gotta sell on the next ride up.

his MOsaic Gems are like $120......i remember they were $300 at one point

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Wow, his Prizm PSA 10s down to $600ish. This card's prices swing more than Hugh Hefner in 1976. It goes from $500 to $1,000 and back down like a yo yo. I gotta sell on the next ride up.

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

his MOsaic Gems are like $120......i remember they were $300 at one point

so I've been thinking a lot about this, and starting to make some sense out of the current market. I think we can agree that a LOT of the new money came in this year, right? so you're seeing these huge gaps between 2018 and 2019 players, because the newbies were able to get in on some Prizm / Optic / Mosaic at the lower points and probably slabbed some of their own stuff, so what you're seeing is a lot of those people actually being able to sell slabs to recoup funds, and at the same time they're not actually buying those players because they already have X amount. Meanwhile, the earlier year players are being driven up by these people who just weren't in the market yet, and still trying to grab on to guys before they go out of reach (see the Sexton / SGA surges).

Ridiculously high supply plus Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility? Or the market just bounces from one shiny thing to another, and conveniently forget things that don't "have room to grow". I mean, Giannis thread is dead even though he's still a top 3 player.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

his MOsaic Gems are like $120......i remember they were $300 at one point

This is crazy ... when I started trying to sell a couple of these over in B/S/T a couple weeks ago, they were like $180. Man oh man.

Definitely not selling for $120, lol

[ZiiON COLLECTOR]

Originally Posted by Jdan67

Just got this beauty in!!


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nice looking card, for something like this if you collect Zion check my pc below , I will trade for this

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

his MOsaic Gems are like $120......i remember they were $300 at one point

These aren’t $120. Some idiot ended his auctions at 9:00 in the morning on a couple of these. They are holding steady at ~$175.

[WalterAZ31]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

This is crazy ... when I started trying to sell a couple of these over in B/S/T a couple weeks ago, they were like $180. Man oh man.

Definitely not selling for $120, lol

yeah, its just how it is. We all got lucky when almost every young star's cards were just to the moon. Now some are coming down, including some Zions

Zion might be a guy you just have to hold for atleast another year, that team just isn't good and i dont even think they make playoffs

[Akphillips86]

Full transparency, I flip cards...ALOT. I use the funds for “real life” stuff. I love the game and the hobby, but I love my family more. Can’t afford to hold stuff too long, but there are a few things I have a difficult time parting with.

Zion is that one guy that I’m super hesitant to sell at CURRENT prices (well a couple others I have hunches about, but Zion is head and shoulders above the rest at the top of that list).

His scoring stats are going to be bananas and he’s just scratching the surface of his potential. He is on a below average team that does absolutely nothing to enhance his ability, and I don’t think New Orleans can afford to hold his star power long term. I don’t want to be reading the breaking news on ESPN that he’s been traded to (fill in the blank large market team/contender) and have already unloaded all of my Zion stash (however meager it may be haha).

FWIW, I don’t think his mass produced base cards are where it’s at long term so I wouldn’t sweat the crazy fluctuations in those too much. We know the kind of money that gets invested in those. SP’s, serial numbered, and autos are where it’s at. His high end stuff is already outperforming his lower end stuff by leaps and bounds from a ratio perspective.

I have a hunch (and I’m not the only one by any means) that a lot of base stuff from recent years isn’t going to appreciate a great deal regardless of what number PSA puts on the slab. Base will see a reckoning, shorter print cards will break away even further from the pack.


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[mvp]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

I have a hunch (and I’m not the only one by any means) that a lot of base stuff from recent years isn’t going to appreciate a great deal regardless of what number PSA puts on the slab. Base will see a reckoning, shorter print cards will break away even further from the pack.


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^ I agree. I plan on busting very little wax from here on out and only buying SP'd cards, or cards I just really, really, really like.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

FWIW, I don’t think his mass produced base cards are where it’s at long term so I wouldn’t sweat the crazy fluctuations in those too much. We know the kind of money that gets invested in those. SP’s, serial numbered, and autos are where it’s at. His high end stuff is already outperforming his lower end stuff by leaps and bounds from a ratio perspective.


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so between you mentioning this, and someone bringing up the PR of Blue Luka Contenders Optic Autos in the other thread, I guess I can share what I've been looking into lately.... #'d on-card autos. To me, it seems like Zion doesn't like signing. He's a redemption in a lot of the releases this year, and in others he signs a fraction of what other guys do. Here's just a couple comparisons of PR between Zion, "typical 2019 player", and Luka, and keep in mind this has nothing to do with comparing Zion to Luka, simply a comparison of "how many of these cards are out there", because once people realized Luka wasn't signing anymore his autos went wild.

Contenders Optic Tickets (omit silvers due to not knowing PR)
Zion: 98 Red + 70 Blue + 50 Orange + 20 Gold + 2 Gold Vinyl = 240
"typical 2019 player": 298 Red + 198 Blue + 50 Orange + 20 Gold + 2 Gold Vinyl = 578
Luka: 248 Red + 148 Blue + 50 Orange + 20 Gold + 2 Gold Vinyl = 468

Spectra RPA
Zion: 60 + 49 + 25 + 15 + 10 + 5 + 1 + 39 + 3 = 207
"typical 2019 player": 149 + 99 + 49 + 25 + 10 + 5 + 1 + 39 + 3 =381
Luka: 299 + 99 + 49 + 25 + 10 + 5 + 1 = 388

Noir RPA
Zion: 49 + 49 = 98
"typical 2019 player": 99 + 99 = 198
Luka: 99 + 99 = 198

Now, there are a lot of other cards out there, so there may be other products where he has equal # of cards (NT for example), and the concerns about Zion's long-term health and team success are valid, so I'm not telling anyone to go out and buy these up, but if you're a believer, just something to keep an eye on, and these sets stood out to me when I saw the numbering on them vary so much even between him and the other players in his class.

Lastly, of course as a disclaimer, I should disclose I bought into all 3 of the above cards listed. But it's moreso because I noticed these PR discrepancies and with the rising cost of acquisition (box prices), figured that taking some money out of areas that had already experienced growth into high-end that's been relatively stagnant was a good gamble, especially given the relative rarity.

late add: I just looked at Spectra Hobby prices... almost $2k!!! I won 2 Zion RPAs for less than the price of 2 boxes in the past week, how does this make any sense?

[Birdanski]

This isn't directed at zion directly at all....but using his card values the past few weeks as example....I wonder if maybe people are losing a bit of interest in the NBA with all of the covid cancellations, no fans at games, etc. As a fan, I just wonder if there is some fatigue with these games after about 6mos of sports playing the games under these conditions.

Not really sure if that is accurate or not....just kind of wondering out loud...

Stay safe everyone and enjoy the Zion game tonight!

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by Birdanski

This isn't directed at zion directly at all....but using his card values the past few weeks as example....I wonder if maybe people are losing a bit of interest in the NBA with all of the covid cancellations, no fans at games, etc. As a fan, I just wonder if there is some fatigue with these games after about 6mos of sports playing the games under these conditions.

Not really sure if that is accurate or not....just kind of wondering out loud...

Stay safe everyone and enjoy the Zion game tonight!

My two cents....I've been watching more sports, basketball in particular, this year. Watching Zion play is a big part of what got me watching more basketball games.

[ninjacookies]

I mean, Luka Prizm dime bass were pulling 2k back in August. Now they're hovering around 1500-1600.

I doubt either of those 2 guys forgot how2basketbol.

Also, those overproduced bass probably aren't the greatest barometer of player market value.

Did anyone on here seriously purchase either at those peak prices?


I have a Montana oceanfront timeshare I'd like to sell you.

[whodatbeastly16]

It's clear to me that a lot of those discussing Zion have watched maybe one or two primetime games of his. Some are praying on the downfall of the New Orleans Pelicans so that Zion can play in (insert big market). Very sad to see and these views on the game only further erode the ability of small markets to succeed.

[pejc300]

I saw that Gary Vee noted the Zion Prizm PSA 10 to be overrated, which might explain some of the pull back.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

It's clear to me that a lot of those discussing Zion have watched maybe one or two primetime games of his. Some are praying on the downfall of the New Orleans Pelicans so that Zion can play in (insert big market). Very sad to see and these views on the game only further erode the ability of small markets to succeed.

Some people just want to see the world burn.





Or secretly feel threatened that BBW got next and poses a substantial threat to their player_x investment.

[whodatbeastly16]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Some people just want to see the world burn.





Or secretly feel threatened that BBW got next and poses a substantial threat to their player_x investment.

It's a very interesting dynamic to see unfold for sure. Especially with this player (Zion) being on my favorite team. In reality, Zion does have a lot to work on and it certainly doesn't include adding a three to his game yet. That turnaround J he hit last game was very promising

In regards to the current roster makeup of the Pelicans, I won't deny it is not built in a way that allows Zion to shine defensively. If our guards just made their open threes though, we'd likely have a positive record. This roster is not built to win now. This is the roster where Zion (20) and BI (23) continue to progress in their development. You keep building assets for the next 2-3 years and then trade for a disgruntled star to make you a contender. As well, it is without a doubt that Adams makes this team 10x better. You trade Lonzo before the deadline for sure. Then in a year or two make a move with remaining assets (Bledsoe, Hayes, NAW, JJ, Hart, picks, etc.) to push your team over the top.

People are so impatient these days. The longest tenured player on this roster is Zion Williamson and he is 20 years old.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

It's a very interesting dynamic to see unfold for sure. Especially with this player (Zion) being on my favorite team. In reality, Zion does have a lot to work on and it certainly doesn't include adding a three to his game yet. That turnaround J he hit last game was very promising

In regards to the current roster makeup of the Pelicans, I won't deny it is not built in a way that allows Zion to shine defensively. If our guards just made their open threes though, we'd likely have a positive record. This roster is not built to win now. This is the roster where Zion (20) and BI (23) continue to progress in their development. You keep building assets for the next 2-3 years and then trade for a disgruntled star to make you a contender. As well, it is without a doubt that Adams makes this team 10x better. You trade Lonzo before the deadline for sure. Then in a year or two make a move with remaining assets (Bledsoe, Hayes, NAW, JJ, Hart, picks, etc.) to push your team over the top.

People are so impatient these days. The longest tenured player on this roster is Zion Williamson and he is 20 years old.

Adams is absolutely a keeper. Minus his heart/hustle...this team may be fortunate to have 2 wins thus far.


I agree. There's a lot of jumbled, ill-fitting pieces at the moment. And some that just aren't that good (Zo and Bledsoe). NAW looks very promising...I'd say if the season does get to the point where the playoffs are out of reach...give the keys to NAW and let him develop for next year's grind.

I like Hart. He always gives 120% and seems like the only guard that can knock down a perimeter shot atm. Never have to question his want.

Reddick is long in the tooth. The law of averages states he'll eventually return back to acceptable form, but realistically there's no upside with him and he's a turnstyle on defense.

BI and Zion is one helluva combo to build upon though. And both are a good half decade removed from their prime.

Exciting times ahead.

[whodatbeastly16]

Dang Zion just splashed a three

[ninjacookies]

Boom.

3.


Roasted.

[Tnooky]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

Dang Zion just splashed a three

Need him to take 3 of those a game minimum!

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

Dang Zion just splashed a three

Yep......

[whodatbeastly16]

This commentating is giving me a headache. May have to switch back to the Pels feed

[ninjacookies]

Another one of those Ron Jeremy weird minutes distribution specials.