Deshaun Watson Prices

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

So you've got nothing to add other than to argue.
And your list is Mahomes and Watson. Got it. Point proven

No. That’s not my list.

Multiple other guys have proven it over multiple years.

But I don’t really care.

I only cared about your definition of Allen vs Herbert

But now I no longer care about that either

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by asujbl

No. That’s not my list.

Multiple other guys have proven it over multiple years.

But I don’t really care.

I only cared about your definition of Allen vs Herbert

But now I no longer care about that either

Fantastic. Have a nice day.

So Mahomes and Watson it is! Glad I picked the right guys to buy. I also bought Allen because "maybe".

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Fantastic. Have a nice day.

So Mahomes and Watson it is! Glad I picked the right guys to buy. I also bought Allen because "maybe".

Allen is questionable

Like Herbert

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Allen is questionable

Like Herbert

Maybe. But Allen will win more games than Herbert this year.
Collectors like that. If you disagree I'll happily place a small wager up to 1k.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Maybe. But Allen will win more games than Herbert this year.
Collectors like that. If you disagree I'll happily place a small wager up to 1k.

Nope.

Allen will win more games

I feel like collectors don’t care that Watson doesn’t win any games though...

This is where you say “it was only one year”

Like Allen’s stats.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Nope.

Allen will win more games

I feel like collectors don’t care that Watson doesn’t win any games though...

This is where you say “it was only one year”

Like Allen’s stats.

This is where I stop talking because you bring nothing productive to the conversation. Have a wonderful weekend.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

This is where I stop talking because you bring nothing productive to the conversation. Have a wonderful weekend.

You do the same

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Guess we'll just agree to disagree. I was in on him from the start because he's always been an amazing player. Your stat about no playoff wins is wrong - they beat the Bills last year and were up 24-0 on KC before O'brien decided to O'brien. That's been the issue. He's had amazing stats and continuously kept the Texans in the game until the end. But he can't do it all himself - just look at last season and how many games they lost in the last few seconds from snaps over his head, fumbles at the last second, etc.

I never thought it was a pump thread - just a thread about prices which had no business being as lopsided as they were. When Mahomes Mystique was over $100 raw and Watson was $1, then I know where my money goes. And I'm one of the biggest Mahomes fans on this site.

1 overtime win in 4 years he has been in the league. I still think he's talented, and he may get over that hump and be greater, but I just don't see it right now due to where he will play. Maybe he gets on the Dolphins and guides them to 13-3 record, AFC Championship game appearance, and he wins MVP. But no idea if he lands in Miami.

I don't mean it in a pump thread like others, but it feels like I'm the only one who doesn't think he has a long term positive outlook, not until he gets into a better situation. It just seems in a lot of these threads if you express doubt, you get scolded. I said before I was looking to pick him up in the offseason, but his prices shot up. Maybe they cool down, but I'm not investing in him now when I don't see any value in the future at the moment, but that could change depending where he plays.

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

The other thing I think people are realizing is that there are very few outstanding young QB's in the NFL. If you want to invest in one, you've got basically Mahomes, Watson and maybe Allen now. Herbert is a question mark. Who else is there? They are the face of the new NFL.

You know, this is true, and I agree with you on Herbert. Too unknown if he can maintain this success he had in their rookie year. But I will say, either buy him now or not because if he continues this success next year, he's going to become unaffordable.

[hilg2347]

Originally Posted by Zauron

1 overtime win in 4 years he has been in the league. I still think he's talented, and he may get over that hump and be greater, but I just don't see it right now due to where he will play. Maybe he gets on the Dolphins and guides them to 13-3 record, AFC Championship game appearance, and he wins MVP. But no idea if he lands in Miami.

I don't mean it in a pump thread like others, but it feels like I'm the only one who doesn't think he has a long term positive outlook, not until he gets into a better situation. It just seems in a lot of these threads if you express doubt, you get scolded. I said before I was looking to pick him up in the offseason, but his prices shot up. Maybe they cool down, but I'm not investing in him now when I don't see any value in the future at the moment, but that could change depending where he plays.



You know, this is true, and I agree with you on Herbert. Too unknown if he can maintain this success he had in their rookie year. But I will say, either buy him now or not because if he continues this success next year, he's going to become unaffordable.

Scroll back to my posts in this thread. Was 100% in line with you and was either ignored or blasted with nothing but factual statements and valid questions..

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Why is Justin Herbert a question mark exactly?

And don’t tell me wins and loses

I’m a Dolphins fan and wanted the Fish to pick Herbert over Tua due to Tua’s injury history.


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[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Zauron

1 overtime win in 4 years he has been in the league. I still think he's talented, and he may get over that hump and be greater, but I just don't see it right now due to where he will play. Maybe he gets on the Dolphins and guides them to 13-3 record, AFC Championship game appearance, and he wins MVP. But no idea if he lands in Miami.

I don't mean it in a pump thread like others, but it feels like I'm the only one who doesn't think he has a long term positive outlook, not until he gets into a better situation. It just seems in a lot of these threads if you express doubt, you get scolded. I said before I was looking to pick him up in the offseason, but his prices shot up. Maybe they cool down, but I'm not investing in him now when I don't see any value in the future at the moment, but that could change depending where he plays.



You know, this is true, and I agree with you on Herbert. Too unknown if he can maintain this success he had in their rookie year. But I will say, either buy him now or not because if he continues this success next year, he's going to become unaffordable.

I hate prices now. I was buying Watson rookie autos for $80-$100 a few months ago. I don't think there are any Herbert autos except Leaf under $500. Too crazy these days.

I did list a couple Watson's just because of how many I have. I mean, the Stained Glass are going for $3000. I bought 6 for $20 each. I told my wife I sold two cards and paid for my other 200 Watson rookies. So I'm good no matter what. I have high hopes for him though.

[madisonshobby]

Watson is going to the Cards for Murray and a 1st rounder +/-.

Is that out of left field? Probably so. But the more I think about it the more it's the only fit.

Cards instantly become NFC SB favorites. Watson reunites with Hopkins. Houston gets a young semi-proven QB in a QB league. And avoids the Watson mess.

The only loser in this is Murray, but he's on a rookie deal and has no leverage. But he's valuable and is just about the only thing that Houston is going to take. They've already lost Watson, so they might as well cut their losses and get the next best QB they can.

No amount of draft picks will get Trevor Lawrence to Houston, so they bring in Murray and another 1st to rebuild the franchise. Watson becomes Mr. Arizona in the NFC. Surely Houston is smart enough to get Watson out of the AFC. But then again, it's Houston so..

[asujbl]

I’m sure Houston is super pumped to trade Watson to the team they traded Hopkins to...

Arizona literally might be the least likely destination on the planet unless Houston just folds as an organization

[kench61]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I’m sure Houston is super pumped to trade Watson to the team they traded Hopkins to...

Arizona literally might be the least likely destination on the planet unless Houston just folds as an organization

If Arizona offered Murray plus a first rounder, I don't see how the Texans could turn that down. You get an up and coming QB on a rookie deal and you get a first round pick. Considering a number of the proposals being floated around are 2-3 first round picks with various other players thrown in (some with QB's, some without).

If you're Houston, there's no way you can trade Watson without either getting a top 3 pick to land your future QB or get what they perceive to be a franchise QB (depending on what they think of Tua/Darnold etc).

Then again, no other organization would have given away possibly the best WR in football for a 2nd round pick and/or put themselves in this mess to begin with (i.e. tell your franchise QB one thing and then completely go back on your word).

No matter what happens, I'm sure it will be interesting.

[shayscards79]

I don't see them Trading Watson. Even after releasing JJ, they're still projected to be right at the cap. They trade him before the season, it's quite the cap hit. If he refuses to play.. let him sit and get back that signing bonus and some of that salary via fines.

He's whining on social media today about loyalty... they just gave him a four year extension in September with $100 million guaranteed. GTFO with the loyalty.

[JeremyNick]

Count me in the “see you in 2022 crowd for Watson. I don’t think either side is going to budge and I think he’s sitting out a season.

[Slim]

Originally Posted by shayscards79

I don't see them Trading Watson. Even after releasing JJ, they're still projected to be right at the cap. They trade him before the season, it's quite the cap hit. If he refuses to play.. let him sit and get back that signing bonus and some of that salary via fines.

He's whining on social media today about loyalty... they just gave him a four year extension in September with $100 million guaranteed. GTFO with the loyalty.

Get rid of Adams in Green Bay like they traded Hopkins and see what Rodgers says.

[madisonshobby]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I’m sure Houston is super pumped to trade Watson to the team they traded Hopkins to...

Arizona literally might be the least likely destination on the planet unless Houston just folds as an organization

You think million dollar execs care who they trade with, as long as they get the most value?

Rodgers and Wilson have veto power and won't go to Houston. They'll go after the best QB left and it won't matter where he's from.

[madisonshobby]

Originally Posted by shayscards79

I don't see them Trading Watson. Even after releasing JJ, they're still projected to be right at the cap. They trade him before the season, it's quite the cap hit. If he refuses to play.. let him sit and get back that signing bonus and some of that salary via fines.

He's whining on social media today about loyalty... they just gave him a four year extension in September with $100 million guaranteed. GTFO with the loyalty.

Def agree. He's looking like a hypocritical baby. Just signed the 2nd best deal ever and wants out. Pathetic, really.

But if he ain't gonna play he ain't gonna play. Houston should get what they can and get out of his attitude.

[madisonshobby]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Count me in the “see you in 2022 crowd for Watson. I don’t think either side is going to budge and I think he’s sitting out a season.

While he's busy tweeting, he should tweet @Le'VeonBell and ask him how that turned out.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by Zauron

1 overtime win in 4 years he has been in the league. I still think he's talented, and he may get over that hump and be greater, but I just don't see it right now due to where he will play. Maybe he gets on the Dolphins and guides them to 13-3 record, AFC Championship game appearance, and he wins MVP. But no idea if he lands in Miami...

Can we be real here? Any other coach in the NFL with a semblance of a pulse finishes off KC when Houston had them on the ropes down by 24 in that playoff game. Watson's resume would look remarkably different had BOB not been a part of that franchise when everyone could tell he was past his expiration date.

Now, obviously we can play what-if all over the place and his landing spot will ultimately play a huge role in his legacy. But it would be tough for me to say that Watson isn't a transcendent QB talent with a straight face.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I hate prices now. I was buying Watson rookie autos for $80-$100 a few months ago. I don't think there are any Herbert autos except Leaf under $500. Too crazy these days.

I did list a couple Watson's just because of how many I have. I mean, the Stained Glass are going for $3000. I bought 6 for $20 each. I told my wife I sold two cards and paid for my other 200 Watson rookies. So I'm good no matter what. I have high hopes for him though.

Damn man, you sound like me. I have rarely bought anything in the past year because prices are out of control to me. I want to sell, but prices keep going up. Do I sell now for $200, or wait 3 months and it's $400?

lol it's just crazy. I don't see how you can not pass up selling some extra stuff now, because prices are so high.

[hilg2347]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

Can we be real here? Any other coach in the NFL with a semblance of a pulse finishes off KC when Houston had them on the ropes down by 24 in that playoff game. Watson's resume would look remarkably different had BOB not been a part of that franchise when everyone could tell he was past his expiration date.

Now, obviously we can play what-if all over the place and his landing spot will ultimately play a huge role in his legacy. But it would be tough for me to say that Watson isn't a transcendent QB talent with a straight face.

Would any coach? For some reason I remember some championship game that was 28-3 at halftime.. and the guy calling plays for the team with 28 is revered as one of the better coaches in today’s game. Hmm.

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by Slim

Get rid of Adams in Green Bay like they traded Hopkins and see what Rodgers says.

If rodgers had a will fuller the same way he had davante waiting when jordy left I would bet he’d make people look at will fuller differently (injuries aside).

Didn’t cooks come close to replacing dhop's output anyway?

[hilg2347]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

If rodgers had a will fuller the same way he had davante waiting when jordy left I would bet he’d make people look at will fuller differently (injuries aside).

Didn’t cooks come close to replacing dhop's output anyway?

Agreed...but Cooks isn't Hopkins. Good WR though... more importantly, Watson signed the contract AFTER Hopkins was traded. So the OP's original post doesn't hold water.