Topps Sapphire Soccer

[wilsonsingles]

I have the Haaland Orange Sapphire for sale on eBay for 9k

reasonable expectation of what it should sell for within 1k range?

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by ricefan77

I just wish someone would buy my Courtois 1/1

Your BIN is very reasonable

Really though, you need to add UEFA to your title as it only shows up down in the "results matching fewer words" when people search for his cards in this product.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by gamboooler

Picture was taken in a sleeve, you can't be 100% positive the scuff was on the card. Not hard to just be up front about something like that.

re-bringing back up Tammygate, I remembered another user posted his Tammy with identical damage

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=720

Looks like it's Tammy wide.

[Ianhatcher]

It's quite easy to tell when someone is pumping a player or a product. Just look at what they say then look at their Ebay store. The Fati RC discussion is a good example of this. Doesn't really make them wrong though.

I could go through the entire last year of dozens of items that were pumped and lost value quite significantly I might add with Soccer but if you got in early you did very well and anyone who got in early with this is doing very well I am sure. Obvious statement but my point is it did not continue to go up and up. It crashed, hard.

This is just applying what is popular in other sports to Soccer and it makes sense. That's what happened last year. People applied Basketball logic to Soccer, Prizm Mbappe, then people realized Chrome was good, then it was 1st Prizm to mirror 12/13 Basketball so 2014 WC Prizm got popular, then 2006 WC with 1st Messi and CR7 and on and on. In every case if you got in ahead of the game like anything you did very well but if you got in late you got crushed.

All I am saying be very careful you don't get crushed but applying Baseball logic of Sapphire as the premium base card product to Soccer is very solid opinion.

I think Chrome and it's products are very fast becoming the King for Soccer as Panini has dropped the ball, big time but this has reached a price point where I am putting my money elsewhere. See how I pumped Chrome, now look at my Ebay store.

[mnvikingstwins]

The one card that's still way underpriced is Fati Pitch Kings from chronicles, level 4 are hobby only and fairly low PR, pop report is proof

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

The one card that's still way underpriced is Fati Pitch Kings from chronicles, level 4 are hobby only and fairly low PR, pop report is proof

Undervalued because it’s not his premium card out of that product. The rookie ticket and the fact there are only 2 parallels (tmall red and Ice /23) hurts the pitch kings imo. I still believe he’s a must buy and will continue buying him, but I don’t think pitch king will see much love to his other options

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

Undervalued because it’s not his premium card out of that product. The rookie ticket and the fact there are only 2 parallels (tmall red and Ice /23) hurts the pitch kings imo. I still believe he’s a must buy and will continue buying him, but I don’t think pitch king will see much love to his other options

Ice is definitely top one but contenders is in retail

[YayNJ]

Does anyone genuinely buy pitchkings cards?

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Ice is definitely top one but contenders is in retail

Yes, but also prevalent in hobby too. Contenders ticket as a whole I feel trumps pitch kings as it’s more available to the general public and holds the iconic brand name.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Does anyone genuinely buy pitchkings cards?

I’ve been debating grabbing one but I generally don’t. I feel for it’s price you’re better off buying chrome base for return or spent a little more to get obsidian which is actually numbered base rookie or buy into chrome parallels

[reddragonthe]

Haaland (approx) PRs (and rough price of current PSA 10):

Sapphire - 4,000 ($3,000)

Base UCL - 9,000 ($600) - 2x Sapphire Run
Refractor UCL - 1,100 ($1,100) - 1/4 Sapphire (hmmm... opposite the Tatis Sapphire ratios)

Base Bunde - 4,400 ($950) - ~Sapphire
Refractor Bunde - 500 ($3,000+) - 1/8 Sapphire

2018 Baseball Player base PR - ~300 (Acuna - $billion dollars or whatever in PSA 10)
2019 Baseball Player base PR - ~1000 (Tatis - $3,000+ in PSA 10)
2020 Baseball Player base PR - ~4000 (it's early... but Lou Bob - $1600 in PSA 10)

If you don't look at this with at least a little skepticism on the current Haaland Sapphire prices... I don't know what to tell you. I just think looking at something and trying to think why it doesn't make rational sense is valuable when making rational decisions. Check yourself. Argue against yourself. Find the faults. Not just "Haaland could get injured" but the idea that in most rational markets there is a trade-off among products. Population matters- ask Gary V (I hear a lot of people like him).

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Haaland (approx) PRs (and rough price of current PSA 10):

Sapphire - 4,000 ($3,000)

Base UCL - 9,000 ($600) - 2x Sapphire Run
Refractor UCL - 1,100 ($1,100) - 1/4 Sapphire (hmmm... opposite the Tatis Sapphire ratios)

Base Bunde - 4,400 ($950) - ~Sapphire
Refractor Bunde - 500 ($3,000+) - 1/8 Sapphire

2018 Baseball Player base PR - ~300 (Acuna - $billion dollars or whatever in PSA 10)
2019 Baseball Player base PR - ~1000 (Tatis - $4,700 in PSA 10)
2020 Baseball Player base PR - ~4000 (it's early... but Lou Bob - $1600 in PSA 10)

If you don't look at this with at least a little skepticism on the current Haaland Sapphire prices... I don't know what to tell you. I just think looking at something and trying to think why it doesn't make rational sense is valuable when making rational decisions. Check yourself. Argue against yourself. Find the faults. Not just "Haaland could get injured" but the idea that in most rational markets there is a trade-off among products. Population matters- ask Gary V (I hear a lot of people like him).

Fixed the Tatis price for you. Its $4700 now. Not $3k.

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Fixed the Tatis price for you. Its $4700 now. Not $3k.

I added the "+" to $3k because it feels a BIT odd for that kind of jump in a 1 week span of a card that isn't "new" to the market and without any actual games being played. As hot at Tatis is. It was a $2k card a month ago.

[Ianhatcher]

Good points Red however the problem with the scarcity argument is a lot of people will pick a product that is aesthetically pleasing over one which is not. This is why I think the Sapphire base will stay higher than the UCL Refractor and compete with the Bundesliga Refractor for Haaland but stay way ahead of the Bundesliga base even though they have nearly identical print runs. The only reason the Bundesliga would stay ahead of the Sapphire is because a lot of people are heavily invested in it so they have a financial interest in continuing to promote it's rarity as the 1st Chrome if that is now a thing...

Point is population is not the only factor in pricing even though maybe they should be. Brand, the history of the brand , toughness to grade all play a big part (looking at you Megacracks Fati)

Aesthetically the Sapphire and their parallels I would argue are more preferred than any of the other rookie cards of either so that has to be accounted for when you talk about THE rookie card.

[YayNJ]

I sold a load of my graded Tatis after they lost to the Dodgers in game 3.

I will never make that mistake again.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I sold a load of my graded Tatis after they lost to the Dodgers in game 3.

I will never make that mistake again.

I sold a couple Mahomes after he won the super bowl, they're like 8x since

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

I sold a couple Mahomes after he won the super bowl, they're like 8x since

That makes me feel a bit better.

I did put a chunk of my Tatis money in Bo Bichette though, so here's hoping

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Good points Red however the problem with the scarcity argument is a lot of people will pick a product that is aesthetically pleasing over one which is not. This is why I think the Sapphire base will stay higher than the UCL Refractor and compete with the Bundesliga Refractor for Haaland but stay way ahead of the Bundesliga base even though they have nearly identical print runs. The only reason the Bundesliga would stay ahead of the Sapphire is because a lot of people are heavily invested in it so they have a financial interest in continuing to promote it's rarity as the 1st Chrome if that is now a thing...

Point is population is not the only factor in pricing even though maybe they should be. Brand, the history of the brand , toughness to grade all play a big part (looking at you Megacracks Fati)

Aesthetically the Sapphire and their parallels I would argue are more preferred than any of the other rookie cards of either so that has to be accounted for when you talk about THE rookie card.

Bingo, I think we tend to always lean towards this notion of "low population" as THE key indicator in value but that is not the case. The brand name, the look, the amount of parallels, the design, all play a major role. I love the look of sapphire and believe it will be strong, but also believe Carbons will hold value. I still maintain though Cracked Ice will ALWAYS be THE Rookie of his.

[ricefan77]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Your BIN is very reasonable

Really though, you need to add UEFA to your title as it only shows up down in the "results matching fewer words" when people search for his cards in this product.

Made the change and changed to free shipping

tx man

[Geoff G]

All the numbers / odds / PR and ROI don’t mean jack when you’re dealing with high rolling gamblers and millionaires with tons of disposable cash in the sports card game. If you can spend 1-2k on a box to hit a 25-50k card, it will be done. Those are just the facts period. Big dawgs are amongst us gentlemen.. big dawgs


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[fadster]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I sold a load of my graded Tatis after they lost to the Dodgers in game 3.

I will never make that mistake again.

Wait, did I buy a psa 10 pink refractor from you? I can't imagine there were too many people in the UK selling Tatis cards last year.

[Geoff G]

And yes .. I’m rooting for the gamblers so I can happily rip half of these


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[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Good points Red however the problem with the scarcity argument is a lot of people will pick a product that is aesthetically pleasing over one which is not. This is why I think the Sapphire base will stay higher than the UCL Refractor and compete with the Bundesliga Refractor for Haaland but stay way ahead of the Bundesliga base even though they have nearly identical print runs. The only reason the Bundesliga would stay ahead of the Sapphire is because a lot of people are heavily invested in it so they have a financial interest in continuing to promote it's rarity as the 1st Chrome if that is now a thing...

Point is population is not the only factor in pricing even though maybe they should be. Brand, the history of the brand , toughness to grade all play a big part (looking at you Megacracks Fati)

Aesthetically the Sapphire and their parallels I would argue are more preferred than any of the other rookie cards of either so that has to be accounted for when you talk about THE rookie card.

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

Bingo, I think we tend to always lean towards this notion of "low population" as THE key indicator in value but that is not the case. The brand name, the look, the amount of parallels, the design, all play a major role. I love the look of sapphire and believe it will be strong, but also believe Carbons will hold value. I still maintain though Cracked Ice will ALWAYS be THE Rookie of his.

Population matters. Not "population is all that matters". I am also not arguing it won't be the preferable base/parallel from UCL chrome for Haaland especially compared to PR.

I'm suggesting that the current prices I believe are out of whack with what I see from nearly any angle I look at this. Sapphire only angle and baseball comparables. Soccer specific and comparable Haaland cards. Typical and comparable base/PSA 10 price ratios. The angle that right now we are in another OVERALL hype cycle and everything is out of whack.

This isn't sour grapes either. I'll even put my money where my keyboard is. I should have some PSA Haaland Sapphire back in the next 2.5 weeks. For the first person (or two) who wants to take me up on it, I'll sell 2 Haaland PSAs per typical forum rules (moved to B/S/T if we need to). If I end up with no PSA 10s, I'll sell 2 9s. If I end up with no PSA 9s (unlikely but ideal, of course) I'll sell 2 10s. If I end up with at least 1 of each, I'll sell 1 of each.

We both are making a commitment here. I don't care where the ebay prevailing price is when I get them back (and you can't either), I'll sell a PSA 10 for $2400 and a PSA 9 for $1200. And you are making an online commitment in front of your friends and family here on the internet - a gentelperson's agreement - to do the same. Can't be a new account to BO. Has to have the usual stuff anyone would want with a verifiable positive history of good transactions. US based Paypal addresses only. Offer good for the next 24 hours. No trades unless it's for a Haaland PSA 10 Bunde Refractor.

Now is your chance to get in on a Haaland PSA Sapphire at maybe 20% off ebay prices.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Population matters. Not "population is all that matters". I am also not arguing it won't be the preferable base/parallel from UCL chrome for Haaland especially compared to PR.

I'm suggesting that the current prices I believe are out of whack with what I see from nearly any angle I look at this. Sapphire only angle and baseball comparables. Soccer specific and comparable Haaland cards. Typical and comparable base/PSA 10 price ratios. The angle that right now we are in another OVERALL hype cycle and everything is out of whack.

This isn't sour grapes either. I'll even put my money where my keyboard is. I should have some PSA Haaland Sapphire back in the next 2.5 weeks. For the first person (or two) who wants to take me up on it, I'll sell 2 Haaland PSAs per typical forum rules (moved to B/S/T if we need to). If I end up with no PSA 10s, I'll sell 2 9s. If I end up with no PSA 9s (unlikely but ideal, of course) I'll sell 2 10s. If I end up with at least 1 of each, I'll sell 1 of each.

We both are making a commitment here. I don't care where the ebay prevailing price is when I get them back (and you can't either), I'll sell a PSA 10 for $2400 and a PSA 9 for $1200. And you are making an online commitment in front of your friends and family here on the internet - a gentelperson's agreement - to do the same. Can't be a new account to BO. Has to have the usual stuff anyone would want with a verifiable positive history of good transactions. US based Paypal addresses only. Offer good for the next 24 hours. No trades unless it's for a Haaland PSA 10 Bunde Refractor.

Now is your chance to get in on a Haaland PSA Sapphire at maybe 20% off ebay prices.

3. The items you are selling/trading must be in your possession. If you are selling through comc or a digital item (like an epack card) in your online account, that is fine as long as it is clearly stated in your listing. If you have an item on its way to you (like a purchase or a group break), wait until it arrives to post it for sale. Selling spots within a group break here on the forum is fine as long as the break host allows it.

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Population matters. Not "population is all that matters". I am also not arguing it won't be the preferable base/parallel from UCL chrome for Haaland especially compared to PR.

I'm suggesting that the current prices I believe are out of whack with what I see from nearly any angle I look at this. Sapphire only angle and baseball comparables. Soccer specific and comparable Haaland cards. Typical and comparable base/PSA 10 price ratios. The angle that right now we are in another OVERALL hype cycle and everything is out of whack.

This isn't sour grapes either. I'll even put my money where my keyboard is. I should have some PSA Haaland Sapphire back in the next 2.5 weeks. For the first person (or two) who wants to take me up on it, I'll sell 2 Haaland PSAs per typical forum rules (moved to B/S/T if we need to). If I end up with no PSA 10s, I'll sell 2 9s. If I end up with no PSA 9s (unlikely but ideal, of course) I'll sell 2 10s. If I end up with at least 1 of each, I'll sell 1 of each.

We both are making a commitment here. I don't care where the ebay prevailing price is when I get them back (and you can't either), I'll sell a PSA 10 for $2400 and a PSA 9 for $1200. And you are making an online commitment in front of your friends and family here on the internet - a gentelperson's agreement - to do the same. Can't be a new account to BO. Has to have the usual stuff anyone would want with a verifiable positive history of good transactions. US based Paypal addresses only. Offer good for the next 24 hours. No trades unless it's for a Haaland PSA 10 Bunde Refractor.

Now is your chance to get in on a Haaland PSA Sapphire at maybe 20% off ebay prices.

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

3. The items you are selling/trading must be in your possession. If you are selling through comc or a digital item (like an epack card) in your online account, that is fine as long as it is clearly stated in your listing. If you have an item on its way to you (like a purchase or a group break), wait until it arrives to post it for sale. Selling spots within a group break here on the forum is fine as long as the break host allows it.

We can move to whatever official venue we want when the time comes and things are in hand. No money can/will trade hands until anything is in my possession... if my efforts to prove my commitment to my perspective on this card make this an inappropriate post for BO's purpose, no problem.