The Official Warriors VS Cavs 16-17 Finals Thread

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Saraste

Those shirts are exactly what rivalries are supposed to be about from a fans perspective. Most of the stuff that has gone on in here, while amusing to me, would likely be looked down upon by non-sports fans as somewhat childish.

I will have popcorn ready for the game and for this thread tonight. Carry on everyone! Amuse me!

Me too....Cam Alert!!!!!!!!!! Said with humor, I like Cam...

[RYBOWSKI97]

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

[mfisher27]

Probably hanging out with Cavs fans and not paying attention to basketball...

Not even a jab at Cavs fans. Every fan base is like this when they start to win. It doesn't even bother me anymore since it's so prevalent.

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

[lemongoat1134]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

5 years ago the Warriors had a .348 winning percentage and ranked 10th in attendance

[TOMBB25]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

Probably hanging out with Cavs fans and not paying attention to basketball...

Not even a jab at Cavs fans. Every fan base is like this when they start to win. It doesn't even bother me anymore since it's so prevalent.

Also, where do you expect fan bases to be? Obviously it is easier to root for a team when they are good compared to when they are bad. It doesn't mean that you don't like a team or don't go to an occasional game, but even people that are life long fans of teams go to less games when teams are not winning. Unless you have the luxury/money/location to be a season ticket holder, you probably just don't go to a lot of games. It doesn't make you less of a fan, but as a budget conscience individual you are going to spend more on entertain/sports when your team is rewarding you as the fan by being more competitive.

I've had this conversation a couple times with people and have heard people talk about it on NBA radio a lot recently. "Bandwagon" "Fair Weather", blah blah blah. Where are all the fans of EVERY other team? They are at home being quiet because their teams are not in the Finals, doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means they aren't squawking on a message board.

Let people be proud of whoever they want to root for. If they are a warriors or a cavs fan just starting this year, well good for them, hopefully they will continue to follow the team for life. As long as people buy in and understand the game, the team, the players, then cool, hold your head high and be happy YOUR team is in the finals.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

Actually they have always been around. Even when they had the worst record in the league the fans were still nearly selling out each game at Oracle. See this article from 2011 before anyone was thinking about more than making the playoffs. 2008/09 and 2009/10 seasons they lost 53 and 56 games yet still were 9th and 11th in the league for attendance for those years. For a team that made the playoffs one time from 1994/95 to 2011/12 people still showed up to make the arena loud

Article from May 2011 before this current playoff run started
Golden State Warriors: The NBA's Most Loyal Fan Base? | Bleacher Report

[ThoseBackPages]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZdY9rw-uo

[hairyangryfella]

Let's do the timewarp again....

All the attendance stuff was raised last year, because the same thing was discussed then. And it showed that people were still going to games when their record was poor.
What are we going to bring up next? Whether Draymond should be suspended for kicking people in the groin?

[WilyWestbrook0]

We have to be careful about generalizing fans. I once used to talk basketball on social media a lot with a guy who was a hardcore Dubs fan, and he had been for years. Obviously this is a great time for him, but he was also there when they were less than great.

I've been an OKC fan since they came to OK in 2008. I used to live in Joplin, MO, close to the OK border, so they became like a local team for me. I had previously grown up in TN and the closest team was the Hawks, but they never felt like a local team. I liked OKC even during the early years when Durant and Westbrook were new and there were growing pains. I still support OKC now even with Durant gone, but it was admittedly harder to watch them as much this year.

As for the Cavs, I admittedly wasn't too much of a fan until the big three experiment. I was fascinated by that and wanted to see how it worked out. I watched them almost as much as OKC last year, so they became like a second team to me.

I'm sure every fan has their own story. It's not like team fans are monoliths.

[hairyangryfella]

I even still have the info -


Now, regarding bandwagon fans, every team will generally see changes when success changes.

The Warriors from 1989/90-1996/97 averaged a sellout every game despite being sub-.500 for 4 of those 7 years. That suggests loyalty.

When the arena expanded in 1997 the numbers fell, but were never below 62% capacity and that included 5 straight seasons with 21 wins OR LESS…

As they approached mediocrity, the attendance perked up, with their highest ever attendance in 2007/08 (and a 48-34 season). Since then, they never averaged under 92% capacity despite half of the seasons being losing ones (including 3 years with under 30 wins). They’ve sold out since 2013/14 as their performances have improved.

Golden State’s largest change in attendance since 2000/01 was a 10.3% increase, in said year.



You could compare that to Miami, who saw a 10.4% increase when LeBron joined them in 2010/11. However, despite him leaving, their attendance has remained high.



The better comparison would be the Cleveland Cavaliers. 55.9% attendance capacity in 2002/03 leaped 33% when LeBron was drafted for the 2003/04 season. Attendance remained high until the year after LeBron bolted for Miami – when there was a 20.4% drop. That’s significant. When LeBron went back to Cleveland for the 2014-15 season the attendance rose 15.7%.



So, the three biggest changes in attendance in this review were in fact with Cleveland – when LeBron was drafted, when LeBron had left, and when LeBron returned. Does this not suggest that in fact CLEVELAND have more bandwagon fans?



Warriors Record Avg Capac. % Change

1985-86 30-52 9787 15011 65.2% n/a

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1986-87 42-40 10341 15025 68.8% 3.6%

1987-88 20-62 11350 15025 75.5% 6.7%

1988-89 43-39 14337 15025 95.4% 19.9%

1989-90 37-45 15025 15025 100.0% 4.6%

1990-91 44-38 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1991-92 55-27 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1992-93 34-48 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1993-94 50-32 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1994-95 26-56 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1995-96 36-46 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1996-97 30-52 15167 15025 100.9% 0.9%

1997-98 19-63 12201 19596 62.3% -38.7%

1998-99 21-29 13433 19596 68.5% 6.3%

1999-00 19-63 12418 19596 63.4% -5.2%

2000-01 17-65 14439 19596 73.7% 10.3%

2001-02 21-61 14468 19596 73.8% 0.1%

2002-03 38-44 15486 19596 79.0% 5.2%

2003-04 37-45 16235 19596 82.8% 3.8%

2004-05 34-48 16350 19596 83.4% 0.6%

2005-06 34-48 18272 19596 93.2% 9.8%

2006-07 42-40 18104 19596 92.4% -0.9%

2007-08 48-34 19630 19596 100.2% 7.8%

2008-09 29-53 18942 19596 96.7% -3.5%

2009-10 26-56 18027 19596 92.0% -4.7%

2010-11 36-46 18692 19596 95.4% 3.4%

2011-12 23-43 18857 19596 96.2% 0.8%

2012-13 47-35 19373 19596 98.9% 2.6%

2013-14 51-31 19596 19596 100.0% 1.1%

2014-15 67-15 19596 19596 100.0% 0.0%

2015-16 73-9 19596 19596 100.0% 0.0%



Heat Record Avg Capac. % Change

2000-01 50-32 16516 19600 84.3% n/a

2001-02 36-46 15989 19600 81.6% -2.7%

2002-03 25-57 15322 19600 78.2% -3.4%

2003-04 42-40 15239 19600 77.8% -0.4%

2004-05 59-23 19981 19600 101.9% 24.2%

2005-06 52-30 19954 19600 101.8% -0.1%

2006-07 44-38 19720 19600 100.6% -1.2%

2007-08 15-67 19463 19600 99.3% -1.3%

2008-09 43-39 18229 19600 93.0% -6.3%

2009-10 47-35 17730 19600 90.5% -2.5%

2010-11 58-24 19778 19600 100.9% 10.4% Lebron arrives

2011-12 46-20 19935 19600 101.7% 0.8%

2012-13 66-16 19982 19600 101.9% 0.2%

2013-14 54-28 19781 19600 100.9% -1.0% Lebron leaves

2014-15 37-45 19712 19600 100.6% -0.4%

2015-16 48-34 19740 19600 100.7% 0.1%



Cavs Record Avg Capac. % Change

2000-01 30-52 15872 20562 77.2% n/a

2001-02 29-53 14539 20562 70.7% -6.5%

2002-03 17-65 11496 20562 55.9% -14.8%

2003-04 35-47 18287 20562 88.9% 33.0%

2004-05 42-40 19128 20562 93.0% 4.1%

2005-06 50-32 19326 20562 94.0% 1.0%

2006-07 50-32 20436 20562 99.4% 5.4%

2007-08 45-37 20465 20562 99.5% 0.1%

2008-09 66-16 20010 20562 97.3% -2.2%

2009-10 61-21 20562 20562 100.0% 2.7% Lebron leaves

2010-11 19-63 20112 20562 97.8% -2.2%

2011-12 21-45 15926 20562 77.5% -20.4%

2012-13 24-58 16192 20562 78.7% 1.3%

2013-14 33-49 17329 20562 84.3% 5.5%

2014-15 53-29 20562 20562 100.0% 15.7% Lebron arrives

2015-16 57-25 20562 20562 100.0% 0.0%



*disclaimer - I have no idea how attendance can be above capacity but it sometimes shows as being. Attendance figures from ESPN.

[codered]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

Something that's crazy to me is the amount of young warriors fans I see where I live. I don't live in a basketball market but it's amazing how much warriors gear I see (probably even more than Raptors gear which blows me away still being in Canada). I see a decent amount of curry, Thompson and durant jerseys this year and 99% of the time the person wearing it is 16 or younger. People can say warriors fans are bandwagon fans but there is a ton of young fans that will grow up warriors fans and will remain warriors fans their whole life because of the popularity of the team now. I know tons of guys who are still bulls fans because they grew up in the MJ era (if it wasn't for the Raptors coming along I'd still be a bulls fan haha) and I think the same will happen for the warriors in the future. Any team with a strong fan base usually had a good run of winning to build that base

Should be a good game tonight

[WilyWestbrook0]

Originally Posted by codered

Something that's crazy to me is the amount of young warriors fans I see where I live. I don't live in a basketball market but it's amazing how much warriors gear I see (probably even more than Raptors gear which blows me away still being in Canada). I see a decent amount of curry, Thompson and durant jerseys this year and 99% of the time the person wearing it is 16 or younger. People can say warriors fans are bandwagon fans but there is a ton of young fans that will grow up warriors fans and will remain warriors fans there whole life because of the popularity of the team now. I know tons of guys who are still bulls fans because they grew up in the MJ era (if it wasn't for the Raptors coming along I'd still be a bulls fan haha) and I think the same will happen for the warriors in the future. Any team with a strong fan base usually had a good run of winning to build that base

Should be a good game tonight

Right, that ties into a point I made earlier in the thread about ratings. Lots of young people are loving the Warriors' style of ball. It's fast and fun for many of them to watch. Plus, Dubs players are likable (except Green). Curry in particular is a laid-back, easygoing guy who is easy to root for. Doesn't say or do anything dumb on or off the court. I'm sure lots of parents find it easy to have their kids like him. It's good for the sport and the fans that someone like Curry is excelling.

[elee712]

Sometimes the warriors have standing room only available which bring it up above 100% capacity.

I believe the season ticket holder waitlist is around 50 or 60,000 people right now with everyone paying a 100.00 deposit. I don't see attendance dropping anytime soon.

Lacob bought the team for 450 million a few years back and now it's worth a couple billion. Talk about a gold mine.

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I even still have the info -


Now, regarding bandwagon fans, every team will generally see changes when success changes.

The Warriors from 1989/90-1996/97 averaged a sellout every game despite being sub-.500 for 4 of those 7 years. That suggests loyalty.

When the arena expanded in 1997 the numbers fell, but were never below 62% capacity and that included 5 straight seasons with 21 wins OR LESS…

As they approached mediocrity, the attendance perked up, with their highest ever attendance in 2007/08 (and a 48-34 season). Since then, they never averaged under 92% capacity despite half of the seasons being losing ones (including 3 years with under 30 wins). They’ve sold out since 2013/14 as their performances have improved.

Golden State’s largest change in attendance since 2000/01 was a 10.3% increase, in said year.



You could compare that to Miami, who saw a 10.4% increase when LeBron joined them in 2010/11. However, despite him leaving, their attendance has remained high.



The better comparison would be the Cleveland Cavaliers. 55.9% attendance capacity in 2002/03 leaped 33% when LeBron was drafted for the 2003/04 season. Attendance remained high until the year after LeBron bolted for Miami – when there was a 20.4% drop. That’s significant. When LeBron went back to Cleveland for the 2014-15 season the attendance rose 15.7%.



So, the three biggest changes in attendance in this review were in fact with Cleveland – when LeBron was drafted, when LeBron had left, and when LeBron returned. Does this not suggest that in fact CLEVELAND have more bandwagon fans?



Warriors Record Avg Capac. % Change

1985-86 30-52 9787 15011 65.2% n/a

Hide quoted text
1986-87 42-40 10341 15025 68.8% 3.6%

1987-88 20-62 11350 15025 75.5% 6.7%

1988-89 43-39 14337 15025 95.4% 19.9%

1989-90 37-45 15025 15025 100.0% 4.6%

1990-91 44-38 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1991-92 55-27 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1992-93 34-48 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1993-94 50-32 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1994-95 26-56 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1995-96 36-46 15025 15025 100.0% 0.0%

1996-97 30-52 15167 15025 100.9% 0.9%

1997-98 19-63 12201 19596 62.3% -38.7%

1998-99 21-29 13433 19596 68.5% 6.3%

1999-00 19-63 12418 19596 63.4% -5.2%

2000-01 17-65 14439 19596 73.7% 10.3%

2001-02 21-61 14468 19596 73.8% 0.1%

2002-03 38-44 15486 19596 79.0% 5.2%

2003-04 37-45 16235 19596 82.8% 3.8%

2004-05 34-48 16350 19596 83.4% 0.6%

2005-06 34-48 18272 19596 93.2% 9.8%

2006-07 42-40 18104 19596 92.4% -0.9%

2007-08 48-34 19630 19596 100.2% 7.8%

2008-09 29-53 18942 19596 96.7% -3.5%

2009-10 26-56 18027 19596 92.0% -4.7%

2010-11 36-46 18692 19596 95.4% 3.4%

2011-12 23-43 18857 19596 96.2% 0.8%

2012-13 47-35 19373 19596 98.9% 2.6%

2013-14 51-31 19596 19596 100.0% 1.1%

2014-15 67-15 19596 19596 100.0% 0.0%

2015-16 73-9 19596 19596 100.0% 0.0%



Heat Record Avg Capac. % Change

2000-01 50-32 16516 19600 84.3% n/a

2001-02 36-46 15989 19600 81.6% -2.7%

2002-03 25-57 15322 19600 78.2% -3.4%

2003-04 42-40 15239 19600 77.8% -0.4%

2004-05 59-23 19981 19600 101.9% 24.2%

2005-06 52-30 19954 19600 101.8% -0.1%

2006-07 44-38 19720 19600 100.6% -1.2%

2007-08 15-67 19463 19600 99.3% -1.3%

2008-09 43-39 18229 19600 93.0% -6.3%

2009-10 47-35 17730 19600 90.5% -2.5%

2010-11 58-24 19778 19600 100.9% 10.4% Lebron arrives

2011-12 46-20 19935 19600 101.7% 0.8%

2012-13 66-16 19982 19600 101.9% 0.2%

2013-14 54-28 19781 19600 100.9% -1.0% Lebron leaves

2014-15 37-45 19712 19600 100.6% -0.4%

2015-16 48-34 19740 19600 100.7% 0.1%



Cavs Record Avg Capac. % Change

2000-01 30-52 15872 20562 77.2% n/a

2001-02 29-53 14539 20562 70.7% -6.5%

2002-03 17-65 11496 20562 55.9% -14.8%

2003-04 35-47 18287 20562 88.9% 33.0%

2004-05 42-40 19128 20562 93.0% 4.1%

2005-06 50-32 19326 20562 94.0% 1.0%

2006-07 50-32 20436 20562 99.4% 5.4%

2007-08 45-37 20465 20562 99.5% 0.1%

2008-09 66-16 20010 20562 97.3% -2.2%

2009-10 61-21 20562 20562 100.0% 2.7% Lebron leaves

2010-11 19-63 20112 20562 97.8% -2.2%

2011-12 21-45 15926 20562 77.5% -20.4%

2012-13 24-58 16192 20562 78.7% 1.3%

2013-14 33-49 17329 20562 84.3% 5.5%

2014-15 53-29 20562 20562 100.0% 15.7% Lebron arrives

2015-16 57-25 20562 20562 100.0% 0.0%



*disclaimer - I have no idea how attendance can be above capacity but it sometimes shows as being. Attendance figures from ESPN.

[yaoming]

Let s go CAVS!


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[tYEwREEEk13]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

I can tell you where I was 7 years ago. I was at Oracle with lower level season tickets.... which back then... the entire season was cheaper than ONE finals ticket now... haha

DUB nation has always been present... it was just never heard about around the nation because there was no media coverage due to a quite subpar team...

LETS GO DUBS!

[REGGIE206]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

my question for warriors fans.......where was dub nation 5 years ago? i dont recall ever hearing about it? the fan base for golden state is identical to miami....in 5 years they will disappear.

It comes with the territory of winning. I grew up in the Bay Area (Vallejo) and I've always been a Warriors & Oakland A's fan (I wasn't much of a football fan back then). Now I live in Seattle and I've never seen this many Warrior fans here ever. My wife & I watch the Warriors about once a year at Portland. After they won the 2015 NBA Finals, the amount of Warrior fans at Portland games has increased maybe 10 times.

As a true fan, I cannot complain. If your team has bandwagon fans, that means your team is doing well. At least now, I don't have to order Warrior gear online anymore because it seems like every sports store carries Warrior gear now.. lol.

But if you're talking about the long time fans that didn't say much 5 years ago, that just means there really wasn't much to talk about then. No different than Laker fans right now. I know there are true Laker fans there, but I'm sure they're a bit quiet right now because there really isn't much to talk about after Kobe's departure. I'm an Oakland A's fan, and I haven't really talked about them much also. That doesn't mean I'm not a true fan.

On a different note: Go Warriors!

[I only pull for]

The biggest bandwagon fans in the history of the NBA are the Lebron James fan boy club members.

[tYEwREEEk13]

Originally Posted by REGGIE206

It comes with the territory of winning. I grew up in the Bay Area (Vallejo) and I've always been a Warriors & Oakland A's fan (I wasn't much of a football fan back then). Now I live in Seattle and I've never seen this many Warrior fans here ever. My wife & I watch the Warriors about once a year at Portland. After they won the 2015 NBA Finals, the amount of Warrior fans at Portland games has increased maybe 10 times more.

As a true fan, I cannot complain. If your team has bandwagon fans, that means your team is doing well. At least now, I don't have to order Warrior gear online anymore because it seems like every sports store carries Warrior gear now.. lol.

But if you're talking about the long time fans that didn't say much 5 years ago, that just means there really wasn't much to talk about then. No different than Laker fans right now. I know there are true Laker fans there, but I'm sure they're just a bit quiet right now because there really isn't much to talk about after Kobe's departure. I'm an Oakland A's fan, and I haven't really talked about them much lately also. Doesn't mean I'm not a true fan.

On a different note: Go Warriors!

Preach on, my friend! It's definitely a "quiet time" for us A's fans (and not to mention double quiet for me as a 49er fan) hahaha it's been painful the past few years but at least we got our DUBS!!!

[REGGIE206]

Originally Posted by tYEwREEEk13

Preach on, my friend! It's definitely a "quiet time" for us A's fans (and not to mention double quiet for me as a 49er fan) hahaha it's been painful the past few years but at least we got our DUBS!!!

I do find it funny how someone from Ohio is asking where "Dub Nation" was 5 years ago? Last I remember, people from Ohio were burning LeBron jerseys.. shoot, even the Cavs GM wrote a letter to LeBron on their newspaper and told him he basically wasn't welcome back to Cleveland. After LeBron left.. Cavs fans were quiet. Now LeBron came back and fans are buying his jersey again, and now you want to ask where Dub Nation was 5 years ago? Okay.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

The biggest bandwagon fans in the history of the NBA are the Lebron James fan boy club members.

Jordan fans, Kobe fans, Lebron fans and whoever is the next big player in the nba. They are all the same

[blackbears86]

wow-------Chauncy Billups, Paul Pierce and Jalen Rose all going with the Cavs tonight.....

Gametime soon!!!!!!!!!!

[yaoming]

Go CAVS
Show off some of your CAVS cards!



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[hofcollector2]

I thought for sure Cavs would win game 2, The Cavs HAVE to win today. Ill got with Cavs in a blowout.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Jordan fans, Kobe fans, Lebron fans and whoever is the next big player in the nba. They are all the same

Nothing compares to Lebron fans.

[Saraste]

And away we go!