Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by ToppsCollector1

Im going to take the under....and guess 64,999

But seriously, Under. This is probably around 50K

Could be. That would still crush the record.

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

WHY is everyone ROOTING for a high PR?

35K would be perfect.

anything over 40k... beginning of the end

Are people rooting? Just chatting about it.

[PDCCollectibles]

There is going to be 'ups and downs' with pricing....we saw a dip like this a little over a week ago...then the move started again. It'll ebb and flow during this whole project, imo….you'll have people get nervous and start listing as well. Not surprising....

[OhioPlayer]

I still haven’t received my topps order from may 8–hopefully it comes soon.

[Bob Ross]

What’d Uncle Bob mss overnight?

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

What’d Uncle Bob mss overnight?

no new posts. Check back again tomorrow. Things dying down a bit.

[marktheshark]

It looks like TJ sold 142 Baller Gooden pre-sales out of the 29,528 print run.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PRESALE-Top...wAAOSwAj9ex~uW

He's already up to over 1,000 presales of the Shore Griffey with several hours to go:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PRESALE-Top...YAAOSw2idey~LA

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

WHY is everyone ROOTING for a high PR?

35K would be perfect.

anything over 40k... beginning of the end

I don't know if anyone is rooting for a high PR. Simply making a logical guess based off the influx of interest and new people buying into the hype.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by OhioPlayer

I still haven’t received my topps order from may 8–hopefully it comes soon.

You and everyone else...

We start seeing 30-50k runs for a month here..

You will be waiting 8-10 weeks imo

[34JacktheRipper]

As someone who is relatively new (about 4 days at this point), I think that the days of card values doubling over the weekend are gone, but take a look at the pricing trends for last week about two pages back. Cards swell up in price Friday-Monday, levels off Tues-Thurs, picks back up over the weekend.

I don't think we see the total value of the current releases go from $50k last weekend to 100k this weekend, but $75k? I think it's well within reach

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by ALBASKETBALL

I don't know if anyone is rooting for a high PR. Simply making a logical guess based off the influx of interest and new people buying into the hype.

But thats the thing. A massive print run to me doesnt necessarily indicate that more people are buying into the hype of the set just that more people are buying into the hype of thinking they can make 300% on every new release.

[Zauron]

If you watched Blake's stream last night, they predicted well over 50k for the Griffey shore, and stated for Blake's Trout that is releasing on Tuesday next week, it's going to be 100k print run at least.

I think the huge profits on quick flips will go down, but like people keep mentioning, if you are smart, you will make money. Buy up cards int he earlier print runs that are affordable, there's plenty with room to grow. Looks like I'll have to wait a little bit more for the Trout Baller's I bought to grow. I thought these would be easy $200+ cards by the end of this week, but the undercut game is strong.

[ToppsNowFan]

Originally Posted by redscollector24

But but but Gary V is speaking on Friday and Blake said buy everything while you still can! Why cards not go up?

Because the people he is speaking to on Friday haven't read this yet, silly...

And because most people in here have acquired what they have wanted already directly from Topps and from the secondary market. Most are in DEEP and aren't looking to shell out a few more thousand in most cases...

Friday is coming... And so is the weekend... I'll see you there...Hide the women and children...

[MCyganik]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

But thats the thing. A massive print run to me doesnt necessarily indicate that more people are buying into the hype of the set just that more people are buying into the hype of thinking they can make 300% on every new release.

AND whereas the big names of online Topps product pre-sells (TwinsJake et al) were the ones buying 5-10-50 of each card at a time, we are now starting to see new or novice flippers stating they are buying 10-50 copies at a time.

That is going to flood the market when they dump stock vs. the average collector who buys one for the intrinsic value and maybe later decides to sell instead because "woah, it's going for $200 on eBay?"

[silverandblack]

I think the print run on Griffey will be 30-35k and Ryan will be 25k. The higher print runs will chase some of the flippers looking for a quick 4x or more on their money I think but I’m good buying 10 packs keeping one or two and selling the rest for 25-35 bucks, if that how it goes from here on out. I’d be perfectly happy making 5-600 a week on these for the rest of the year

[ObanMontecristo]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

But thats the thing. A massive print run to me doesnt necessarily indicate that more people are buying into the hype of the set just that more people are buying into the hype of thinking they can make 300% on every new release.

I agree. I’m a collector, not a flipper, so while I like that there’s increasing attention on this set, I’m certainly not rooting for huge PRs, and I agree it seems there are some people who are. 35-40K would be just fine with me.

[floridaman92]

If Blake's Trout is #100, I'm trying to figure out who the upcoming cards will be. Makes sense if it would be players with only 4 releases so each player could have 5 in the first 100. So that would leave Rivera and Gwynn (both who we've at least seen previews for), Robinson, Brett, Henderson, Ripken, Mattingly, McGwire, Thomas, and Jeter as candidates.

[knuckleballerMC]

Let's guess the PRs: Griffey Shore and Ryan Vides. I'm going high.

Griffey: 97,487
Ryan: 56,247

[JRX]

Originally Posted by knuckleballerMC

Let's guess the PRs: Griffey Shore and Ryan Vides. I'm going high.

Griffey: 97,487
Ryan: 56,247

If print runs are that high, I don't see much upside in the new stuff.

[RyanSwinger]

Is this whole Gary V conversation confirmed or just speculation- havent watched the youtube yet

[KB81]

As stated before.... As PRs blow up, which is EXPECTED, 10k PRs and lower are golden.

Get as many as you can if you are a "value\flip" centered thinker.

[cavsfan70]

So you're telling me a Griffey rookie card is yet again going to end the card game?

:P

[MCyganik]

Shore Griffey: 51,092
Vides Ryan: 28,284

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by knuckleballerMC

Let's guess the PRs: Griffey Shore and Ryan Vides. I'm going high.

Griffey: 97,487
Ryan: 56,247

I would be shocked if they were even close to that, but you never know.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by KB81

As stated before.... As PRs blow up, which is EXPECTED, 10k PRs and lower are golden.

Get as many as you can if you are a "value\flip" centered thinker.

That's true in the short run, if we do end up in a situation where early and later are low but middle explodes, it could mean overall demand is more towards the lower print runs. Its really hard to say, initially it was too low due to low awareness, but I dont see how there will be huge demand for Vides Ryan and the two posted yesterday.