⛏⛏⛏ The Official 2025 San Francisco 49ers Thread: Return of the Purdi ⛏⛏⛏

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

That is not their strategy (look at Bosa, Deebo, Aiyuk negotiations). It goes down to the wire, through camp and pre-season most of the time.

The other thing - as has been noticed in the press - is that they could let him play on a $5 mil final year of his deal then franchise tag him for $41 million in 2026 and then again (if they want) for $51 million in 2027.

What's he gonna do about it?

If he makes a deal at $45/year at least he'll have guarantees.

Despite John Lynch saying they want him there, and I do think they do want him there, they still want to win and he is not Patrick Mahomes. They have to pay others. He is not Lamar Jackson. He's not Josh Allen.

They know this.

Everything you said is true. But there's only 4-5 great QBs and 32 teams. And the unwritten rule is you don't franchise your franchise QB. That's playing with fire.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

That is not their strategy (look at Bosa, Deebo, Aiyuk negotiations). It goes down to the wire, through camp and pre-season most of the time.

The other thing - as has been noticed in the press - is that they could let him play on a $5 mil final year of his deal then franchise tag him for $41 million in 2026 and then again (if they want) for $51 million in 2027.

What's he gonna do about it?

If he makes a deal at $45/year at least he'll have guarantees.

Despite John Lynch saying they want him there, and I do think they do want him there, they still want to win and he is not Patrick Mahomes. They have to pay others. He is not Lamar Jackson. He's not Josh Allen.

They know this.

Agreed. $45 is still an overpay for Purdy to me but they don’t really have a plan B.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

That is not their strategy (look at Bosa, Deebo, Aiyuk negotiations). It goes down to the wire, through camp and pre-season most of the time.

The other thing - as has been noticed in the press - is that they could let him play on a $5 mil final year of his deal then franchise tag him for $41 million in 2026 and then again (if they want) for $51 million in 2027.

What's he gonna do about it?

If he makes a deal at $45/year at least he'll have guarantees.

Despite John Lynch saying they want him there, and I do think they do want him there, they still want to win and he is not Patrick Mahomes. They have to pay others. He is not Lamar Jackson. He's not Josh Allen.

They know this.

NOBODY IS MAHOMES. Did the other 2 you mentioned lead their teams to 2 consec championships, and get them one play away from a SB win?
Purdy's got that over both Allen, and Jackson. While they may have the MVP awards, it's all about the Lombardi

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

NOBODY IS MAHOMES. Did the other 2 you mentioned lead their teams to 2 consec championships, and get them one play away from a SB win?
Purdy's got that over both Allen, and Jackson. While they may have the MVP awards, it's all about the Lombardi

I like Brock a lot.

He does not have the physical tools of Lamar or Allen. Being a great QB does not always equal winning conference games or SBs.

Jimmy G ALSO led the Niners to NFCCGs and a SB. Brock is better than he is, but not as good as those others. The Niners don't need to get stuck with a Dak contract if we find out he is benefitting more from Shanahans' schemes and playcalling than we would like to admit.

Context matters.

[JWBlue]

I like Purdy but not sure why they would offer him a long term deal at the number he is demanding.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

Everything you said is true. But there's only 4-5 great QBs and 32 teams. And the unwritten rule is you don't franchise your franchise QB. That's playing with fire.

Right... but there is only one team hoisting the Lombardi per year. The Niners had a KILLER 2023 team and didn't get it done. They didn't in 2019 either.

That 1994 trophy has a lot of rust on it.

The team HAS to be smart with the cap to achieve that goal.

[hermanotarjeta]

If I was Purdy I would just take the $45 million and let the Niners build around me. He’s got to know he doesn’t have much leverage, right?

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If I was Purdy I would just take the $45 million and let the Niners build around me. He’s got to know he doesn’t have much leverage, right?

He might but there are agents in his ear, etc…

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

NOBODY IS MAHOMES. Did the other 2 you mentioned lead their teams to 2 consec championships, and get them one play away from a SB win?
Purdy's got that over both Allen, and Jackson. While they may have the MVP awards, it's all about the Lombardi

So with your logic nick foles is better than Allen and Lamar too?

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If I was Purdy I would just take the $45 million and let the Niners build around me. He’s got to know he doesn’t have much leverage, right?

It's one of those things where they both need each other. Brock needs Niners more than they need him, but they have few options right now as their skill player are ageing... yet they still have a SB window.

Best comparison is Lamar and Balt... not a great player on most teams, but pretty good results on a team built for him. Like LJack, Purdy would have only a few suitors on open free agent market, but his team will have to pay up nonetheless.

If Purdy plays his cards right, this won't be his last big contract. He'll have one, two, maybe even three more of them. If he plays out this year and goes to some dump (NYG, Cle, NYJ, Caro, Indy, Raiders, etc), his career is basically over. He's a little dude who won't take big hits well. His only option would be to hope to play 2025 and then get an offer from Pitt or LAR or some fairly good team, but that's a moonshot right now.

The fact of the matter is that Purdy wins big games. You can't say that for any 2025 FA the Niners could sign (Darnold, Cousins, Fields, Mac, Winston, Carr?). Russ wins but is old and probably will be re-signed by Steelers anyways. SF is too smart to even think about ARodg nonsense. The draft is bare bones for QBs this 2025 year. There are no good options for them... outside making a sequel contract, Brocky II.

[49erRCCollector]

It would be funny if the Niners let Brock walk and signed Russell Wilson so Ninjacookies could witness my world implode.

[fabiani12333]

The Niners' championship window is likely over for now, unless Purdy can level up. But he doesn't have the physical tools of other top QBs. He's shorter than most QBs. He has a weaker arm than most QBs. He's not fast. He's quick, though, which helps him avoid sacks and extend plays.

His best attributes are between the ears. This is a big reason why he has been so successful early in his career. Normally, it takes time for QBs to mature. But Purdy already had good composure and pocket awareness. He had good anticipation and vision. He did a good job executing Shannahan's plays and game plan. He also had a lot of support from good veteran players.

So, he has a high floor , but his ceiling is likely limited.

[fabiani12333]

It's also hard not to like Purdy. He was the ultimate underdog coming into the league and has far exceeded expectations. He's helped to make the Niners a success in recent years. He has carried himself like a true professional. Therefore, he deserves to be paid much better than he has. It's just too bad the salary cap will likely force the Niners to make tough decisions -- what are you going to do?

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The Niners' championship window is likely over for now, unless Purdy can level up. But he doesn't have the physical tools of other top QBs. He's shorter than most QBs. He has a weaker arm than most QBs. He's not fast. He's quick, though, which helps him avoid sacks and extend plays.

His best attributes are between the ears. This is a big reason why he has been so successful early in his career. Normally, it takes time for QBs to mature. But Purdy already had good composure and pocket awareness. He had good anticipation and vision. He did a good job executing Shannahan's plays and game plan. He also had a lot of support from good veteran players.

So, he has a high floor , but his ceiling is likely limited.

I agree with a lot of this but I think the "championship window" remains to be seen. This last year was an outlier where everything that could go wrong went wrong. Having said that, if this year is a 7-9 season, they may need to think deeper about where they are at.

If I'm Lynch I'd dump Aiyuk (run with Pearsall, Jennings, maybe add a vet), let Greenlaw and Hufanga walk and really try to make the most of the 12 picks they are projected to have in the draft (if not more, based on who they might try to move).

I would let Brock play on his rookie contract if the $$$ doesn't feel good. Holding out buys him nothing. He's not getting that money elsewhere because what's being said here is being said around the league.

People aren't sold. Maybe that's unfair, but teams overpaying Brock as a FA ain't happening.

And I like the guy, but derailing the franchise's cap future if you have doubts is unwise.

[49erRCCollector]

Oh, and the Niners should draft DT and OL as much as possible. That's what makes this team click.

[BonVoyage]

I wonder how involved SF was with the Thuney trade. If I was Lynch I would’ve gladly traded a 2026 4th for an all pro LG at $16m. Maybe that’s a bit too “win-now” and SF is targeting 2026 and beyond?


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[Archangel1775]

[slyguy]

Khalil Mack might be a real possibility for SF, KC, Buff, Phila, Balt, other serious playoff contenders?

The guy has HOF locked up, has played well for years... never tasted playoffs much.

I think he'll take a smallish vet deal to try to ring chase at this point.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I agree with a lot of this but I think the "championship window" remains to be seen. This last year was an outlier where everything that could go wrong went wrong. Having said that, if this year is a 7-9 season, they may need to think deeper about where they are at.

If I'm Lynch I'd dump Aiyuk (run with Pearsall, Jennings, maybe add a vet), let Greenlaw and Hufanga walk and really try to make the most of the 12 picks they are projected to have in the draft (if not more, based on who they might try to move).

I would let Brock play on his rookie contract if the $$$ doesn't feel good. Holding out buys him nothing. He's not getting that money elsewhere because what's being said here is being said around the league.

People aren't sold. Maybe that's unfair, but teams overpaying Brock as a FA ain't happening.

And I like the guy, but derailing the franchise's cap future if you have doubts is unwise.

Do you really think Brock will play for $5m? What a great way to drive QB out

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Do you really think Brock will play for $5m? What a great way to drive QB out

He’d have to.

But no, I don’t think he would. But the threat of that is good leverage for the Niners in negotiations.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

He’d have to.

But no, I don’t think he would. But the threat of that is good leverage for the Niners in negotiations.

The main issue is not AAV or per year contract but the amount of guarantee..The fact that 49ers starts at 45m is concerning and shows how little confidence they have on Brock. For all we know it could've been 45AAV for 5 years with 2 years guaranteed and 30m on the first year and that's a bad deal for him. He can get wayy more than that on open market

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

He’d have to.

But no, I don’t think he would. But the threat of that is good leverage for the Niners in negotiations.

Originally Posted by Delta5

Do you really think Brock will play for $5m? What a great way to drive QB out

It is a contract extension meaning he plays for $5MM this season regardless if he signs or not. The extension would begin in 2026.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

It is a contract extension meaning he plays for $5MM this season regardless if he signs or not. The extension would begin in 2026.

That's not how it works. He'll get a ton of signing bonus so he wont just play for 5MM this season if he got an extension

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Delta5

That's not how it works. He'll get a ton of signing bonus so he wont just play for 5MM this season if he got an extension

And there's a difference between playing at $5 mil with no guarantees, no set future amounts and playing for $5 mil with guarantees and a new contract.

Playing at $5 mil with no guaranteed future earnings beyond a possible tag the next year is MUCH different.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Delta5

The main issue is not AAV or per year contract but the amount of guarantee..The fact that 49ers starts at 45m is concerning and shows how little confidence they have on Brock. For all we know it could've been 45AAV for 5 years with 2 years guaranteed and 30m on the first year and that's a bad deal for him. He can get wayy more than that on open market

This gives a lot of context and I believe it to be true:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/618...ization-reset/

I'm not sure he can get way more on the open market. Which teams? Who would pay that? The doubts/concerns expressed in this thread about how good he is/isn't aren't invisible and unknown to NFL GMs.

I like Brock. Like. Not Love.