Cracking a graded card: Are you morally/ethically obligated to tell future buyers?

[TheFrenzy]

Personally, I think 10s are generally overvalued.

I think 9s and 8s are definitely undervalued.

I think many raw cards are being overvalued as people want to gamble for 10s.

I think people saying it's ok resubbing to get the highest grade while never disclosing the previous grades to buyers are 100% hypocrites if they have a problem with someone cracking a 9 and then later selling it raw.

I think everyone agrees that if a card is damaged the damage should be made clear to any buyer. No one is arguing against this.

[Raleigh504]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

It's too often a lower value card, cracked 6, 7, or 8 on a modern card sold raw without known defects disclosed.

Absolutely grade should be disclosed.

Surprised at the poll results.

Originally Posted by whitmm

Defects not being disclosed is a different conversation. Defects and condition issues should absolutely be disclosed, along with pictures.

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Agree. But think defects not being properly disclosed is highly correlated with cracking low number slabs.

Until grading companies disclose why a card got a grade, it would only be speculation on why a card got the grade it did. One of my subs just popped and had mixed results, one I could see looks to have a little crease (missed it or damaged from PSA) from the scans and got a lower grade. That was obvious to me but some got 8/9s when I didn't see anything wrong with the card.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Raleigh504

Until grading companies disclose why a card got a grade, it would only be speculation on why a card got the grade it did. One of my subs just popped and had mixed results, one I could see looks to have a little crease (missed it or damaged from PSA) from the scans and got a lower grade. That was obvious to me but some got 8/9s when I didn't see anything wrong with the card.

BGS kind of did that with the 4 subgrades in a round about way.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by mc1

What if the flaw was caused by PSA after the grade of 10 was assigned?

Ah yes, the old “we melted the Clear Soto Update RC like a Shrinkydink” while slabbing factor.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

If it got a 6… it’s something. I call “light impression lines” creases, but I guess I probably shouldn’t. They’re different things.

Gotcha.

Crease or wrinkle, like this, is typically in the 4-5 range. There's that one Acuna green parallel (forget what, a bowman's best maybe?) that got a surprise 3 and had a fairly large crease on the back....not sure I can find the post.

If someone said it was a PSA-4, PSA-5, or PSA-6, but they can't see anything wrong the card, I'm trusting the TPG and not the seller. So sometimes the previous grade would be useful to know.

This was a PSA-4 -- this should be disclosed via photo if sold raw. If I saw this photo in the listing, I would have no reason to need to know the previous grade. I can see the grade right there.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I think people saying it's ok resubbing to get the highest grade while never disclosing the previous grades to buyers are 100% hypocrites if they have a problem with someone cracking a 9 and then later selling it raw.

This. I really don't care which camp people are in as far as disclosing the grade, but at least be consistent in your answer. Either all grades or no grades.

They want a previous grade that's no longer relevant disclosure so they don't overpay for a raw card, but think it's fine to not disclose a previous lower grade and let a buyer overpay for a card because they don't have all the information.

I agree that raw cards are probably overvalued. I saw the one comment here that people are shooting for PSA 9 prices on raw cards. For some reason, I seem to remember that the old rule used to be treat raw cards as 8's for value.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Raleigh504

Until grading companies disclose why a card got a grade, it would only be speculation on why a card got the grade it did. One of my subs just popped and had mixed results, one I could see looks to have a little crease (missed it or damaged from PSA) from the scans and got a lower grade. That was obvious to me but some got 8/9s when I didn't see anything wrong with the card.

I know nothing about TAG grading, but looking at their site, they seem to offer a full rubric of their grading.

https://my.taggrading.com/card/C4889090

The link is for a 2023 Allen & Ginter Ohtani base card that grading as an 8. It gives the centering numbers, it also gives the reason for what caused the grade drop (in this case, it was a dinged corner).