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Spfld Ponies · 08-10-2022, 03:11 PM

PSA 7 Charles Barkley XRC just sold for over $1400 by a seller with few feedbacks. Prices are high on the PSA Star Co cards...

sportsyard · 08-10-2022, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spfld Ponies

PSA 7 Charles Barkley XRC just sold for over $1400 by a seller with few feedbacks. Prices are high on the PSA Star Co cards...

Its just nonsense I bought a BGS 8.5 for $300 two years ago. It really shouldn't be worth anymore now

AbraCalabro · 08-10-2022, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spfld Ponies

PSA 7 Charles Barkley XRC just sold for over $1400 by a seller with few feedbacks. Prices are high on the PSA Star Co cards...

Kingofkings1281 · 08-10-2022, 08:17 PM

I’m just waiting for the “should I go for the PSA 4 or BGS 9?” thread.

GOATcards · 08-11-2022, 11:44 AM

pcptrade brings up the crucial collectibility factor with the 101: eye appeal. (I've been using the term aesthetics and do I need to repost again the close-up on MJ's face, could you imagine the '52T Mantle being anywhere near its iconic status with that treatment of his likeness?)

Star enthusiasts/collectors here should give their own testimonials as to the eye appeal per se of these cards. It varies, right? The 117 has a lot of eye appeal IMO and the imagery qualifies as iconic for me. But are there any owners/collectors of the 84S Barkley RC ("XRC" kinda adds some sort of irrelevant qualifier here, dunnit?) who really dug the eye appeal per se of the card? I just don't really see it. How do they crop it like that?

Now I'd ask the same of Hakeem/Akeem RCs from the 84S set. Nice eye appeal, right?

Not exactly all that hard to figure out. Either a card has the "it" look to it and some cards from the Star era make the cut and others don't. The 117 is the "it" early card of MJ (with the "Chicago" away jersey) for me. Not much of the other Star cards of MJ uses great imagery, either. His face half in shadow on the 288, a good/iconic shot on the 195 USA card but not in a pro jersey, some good dunk-contest images on a couple of the rookie-year 5x7s (and who collects 5x7s exactly . . . I know I'd have sets of these with the money to blow

).

As for iconic cards of the other NBA legends of the Star period at or near their primes, I do like the imagery on the '86 Magic, I think, the purple border of him driving in a purple away jersay against Dennis Johnson, and the more close-up yellow-themed '86 Court Kings card, and then with Bird there's the weirdly-cropped '83 card and the two more posed-like FT shooting '84 and '85 cards, cards I'd definitely be collecting with the funds to blow.

But iconic cards? I'd say the two aforementioned Magic cards qualify, not really sure about truly iconic-looking Bird cards aside from an imaginary closer-cropped version of the '83 card in which Bird displays his own case for the "greatest shooter ever" argument. (As for nice imagery on later Bird cards, might I recommend the '91 Hoops with an "elder" Bird driving?)

Uncbuddha · 08-13-2022, 06:36 AM

The two 5x7s are the best looking MJ Star cards by a mile. . . . But they are 5x7s. The best looking standard sized MJs are the MJ subset Olympic card and Pro Stats.

GOATcards · 08-13-2022, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncbuddha

The two 5x7s are the best looking MJ Star cards by a mile. . . . But they are 5x7s. The best looking standard sized MJs are the MJ subset Olympic card and Pro Stats.

(also "The Future" card from the MJ set, put in a bid on one of those back in '21)

Spfld Ponies · 08-13-2022, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncbuddha

The two 5x7s are the best looking MJ Star cards by a mile. . . . But they are 5x7s. The best looking standard sized MJs are the MJ subset Olympic card and Pro Stats.

True, I can think of a half dozen 5x7 cards from Star Co that are truly unmatched, truly iconic images:

-84-85 Court Kings Supers Jordan
-84-85 Court Kings Supers Bill Walton
-85 Team Supers James Worthy
-85 Team Supers Charles Barkley
-85 Slam Dunk Group Checklist
-84 Mr. Z's Drexler

IMO some of the greatest cards of the 1980s, just fantastic images.

GOATcards · 08-13-2022, 01:52 PM

are Star collectors generally in agreement that (for the regular-sized cards) the Olajuwon RC treatment is much better than the Barkley or Jordan 101 presentations? IOW Star producing 'iconic' material for top players is pretty much hit-or-miss?

2010GBPackers · 08-14-2022, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

(also "The Future" card from the MJ set, put in a bid on one of those back in '21)

This may our only agreement when it comes to Star cards!

The '86 Star Jordan "The Future" is an underrated card, for sure.

a) Color matching border - obviously
b) Jordan dunking
c) Jordan in the Jordan I's
d) Jordan wearing the gold chain
e) The cursive "Chicago" jersey

It really has everything going for it.

markmac33 · 08-17-2022, 03:21 AM

I have a GAI 8 Star 101 Jordan I’m thinking of crossing over. Card Ladder values it at around $27700. PSA 8 last sold for around 116k. No sales of a PSA 7 that I know of. If I do a min grade of 8 would you send the card in for the $1k fee for the $24,999 value and pay the up charge if it crosses successfully? I would hate to pay more (2k for $49999 or less and 3k for 99999 or less) to grade it and it not cross over. Not sure if a 7 would be worth 2 to 3k more than the SGC grade. Not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts?

markmac33 · 08-17-2022, 03:26 AM

The 5x7 Audie Norris was my last card needed to complete the full Star run. Took awhile to find one.

Hellcat · 08-17-2022, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

I have a GAI 8 Star 101 Jordan I’m thinking of crossing over. Card Ladder values it at around $27700. PSA 8 last sold for around 116k. No sales of a PSA 7 that I know of. If I do a min grade of 8 would you send the card in for the $1k fee for the $24,999 value and pay the up charge if it crosses successfully? I would hate to pay more (2k for $49999 or less and 3k for 99999 or less) to grade it and it not cross over. Not sure if a 7 would be worth 2 to 3k more than the SGC grade. Not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts?

There’s a reason your 101 is in a GAI holder. I would be very nervous for min-size or altering. What person thinks let me send a valuable Jordan rookie to the worst grading company? Something has to be off here. Let us know what you decide.

KhalDrogo · 08-17-2022, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

I have a GAI 8 Star 101 Jordan I’m thinking of crossing over. Card Ladder values it at around $27700. PSA 8 last sold for around 116k. No sales of a PSA 7 that I know of. If I do a min grade of 8 would you send the card in for the $1k fee for the $24,999 value and pay the up charge if it crosses successfully? I would hate to pay more (2k for $49999 or less and 3k for 99999 or less) to grade it and it not cross over. Not sure if a 7 would be worth 2 to 3k more than the SGC grade. Not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts?

Don’t waste your money. Neither PSA nor SGC will crossover a GAI card unless you forgo minimum grade and allow them to crack it out and measure it.

2010GBPackers · 08-17-2022, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

I have a GAI 8 Star 101 Jordan I’m thinking of crossing over. Card Ladder values it at around $27700. PSA 8 last sold for around 116k. No sales of a PSA 7 that I know of. If I do a min grade of 8 would you send the card in for the $1k fee for the $24,999 value and pay the up charge if it crosses successfully? I would hate to pay more (2k for $49999 or less and 3k for 99999 or less) to grade it and it not cross over. Not sure if a 7 would be worth 2 to 3k more than the SGC grade. Not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts?

Picture?

markmac33 · 08-17-2022, 12:47 PM

Thanks. GAI and SCD were the only graders of Star Basketball at the time. Steve Taft, the expert on Star basketball cards, was in partnership with GAI to train graders on Star basketball. They were the number 1 company to grade this card at the time. Hope it adds up now. I think it being in that holder would add credibility to its grade and authenticity. Of course I could be wrong. So back to my original question. If I do send it in which level of service would you choose?

mrseanc1 · 08-17-2022, 01:28 PM

You’re going to have to crack it. There’s no way it will cross otherwise. Send at $600 level.

Spfld Ponies · 08-17-2022, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

The 5x7 Audie Norris was my last card needed to complete the full Star run. Took awhile to find one.

Wow, I'm not familiar with that card. Was it a Mr. Z's Blazers card? I believe they only produced 5 of the 12 players that were advertised on back of the 5x7 cards in that set.

markmac33 · 08-17-2022, 02:45 PM

Yes. It from the Mr. Z Blazers set.

markmac33 · 08-17-2022, 02:52 PM

Thanks for the info mrseanc1. It’s a GAI 8 with the “first graded” noted on the slab. I’ve had it since maybe 2004 or 2005. I don’t want to break it out but I may have to if I want to take the gamble. I figured measuring the size could be done digitally without having to crack.

Spfld Ponies · 08-17-2022, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

Thanks for the info mrseanc1. It’s a GAI 8 with the “first graded” noted on the slab. I’ve had it since maybe 2004 or 2005. I don’t want to break it out but I may have to if I want to take the gamble. I figured measuring the size could be done digitally without having to crack.

With regard to crossing the older TPG's slabs, had good success crossing the "red label" SCDs, like the attached, returning the same grade at BGS. Have had trouble with BGS rejecting GAI for minimum size, as mentioned earlier. My guess is PSA would also reject the smaller and "skinny" Star Co. cards (some of which were hand cut from sheets).

Personally, I've had nothing but problems with the old GAI gradings. There is a reason you can find them for sale much cheaper than other graded cards. Definitely get out of that GAI holder IMHO. Not a fan of their head grader at the time, (Baker).

Oh and SGC doesn't grade Star.

markmac33 · 08-17-2022, 06:34 PM

Thank you. I meant to say GAI instead of SGC.

ReggieBush22 · 08-17-2022, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

There’s a reason your 101 is in a GAI holder. I would be very nervous for min-size or altering. What person thinks let me send a valuable Jordan rookie to the worst grading company? Something has to be off here. Let us know what you decide.

GAI was absolutely legit back in the days. I think it was started by former PSA employees. BGS and GAI were the only ones grading Star cards and I bought a quite a few of the team bagged sets graded by GAI also. So maybe the sender used GAI over BGS because he trusted the former more. I know I trusted GAI more than BGS when it came to Star cards back in the days.

ReggieBush22 · 08-17-2022, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

I have a GAI 8 Star 101 Jordan I’m thinking of crossing over. Card Ladder values it at around $27700. PSA 8 last sold for around 116k. No sales of a PSA 7 that I know of. If I do a min grade of 8 would you send the card in for the $1k fee for the $24,999 value and pay the up charge if it crosses successfully? I would hate to pay more (2k for $49999 or less and 3k for 99999 or less) to grade it and it not cross over. Not sure if a 7 would be worth 2 to 3k more than the SGC grade. Not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts?

How is the eye appeal of the card? Obviously most are off centered l-r and most aren't standard size.

I would assume just to keep pop low, PSA would almost certainly not give you a PSA 8, unless if it's an absolute blazer. If it's a solid card, a PSA 7 would be amazing and definitely worth a few thousand $$. I'm assuming since you bought it back in the days, you didn't pay more than a few thousand, if that. A PSA 7 means you make out like a bandit.

ReggieBush22 · 08-17-2022, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by markmac33

Thanks for the info mrseanc1. It’s a GAI 8 with the “first graded” noted on the slab. I’ve had it since maybe 2004 or 2005. I don’t want to break it out but I may have to if I want to take the gamble. I figured measuring the size could be done digitally without having to crack.

Yeah, you definitely don't want to crack it open given the small chance it's fake and/or altered. That card in a GAI holder is much more valuable than ungraded.

Like I said above, I would risk a crossover with a minimum grade of 7, heck maybe even a 6. A PSA 6 is probably worth more in the open market than a GAI 8.

But I don't know what your goals are. Maximize profit or just a crossover for PC or something else.

08-10-2022, 03:11 PM	#126
Spfld Ponies Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 215	PSA Barkley XRC PSA 7 Charles Barkley XRC just sold for over $1400 by a seller with few feedbacks. Prices are high on the PSA Star Co cards... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Thanks for your comments, Joe

08-10-2022, 08:17 PM	#129
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08-17-2022, 12:47 PM	#141
markmac33 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 17	Thanks. GAI and SCD were the only graders of Star Basketball at the time. Steve Taft, the expert on Star basketball cards, was in partnership with GAI to train graders on Star basketball. They were the number 1 company to grade this card at the time. Hope it adds up now. I think it being in that holder would add credibility to its grade and authenticity. Of course I could be wrong. So back to my original question. If I do send it in which level of service would you choose? Last edited by markmac33; 08-17-2022 at 01:12 PM.

08-11-2022, 11:44 AM	#130
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	pcptrade brings up the crucial collectibility factor with the 101: eye appeal. (I've been using the term aesthetics and do I need to repost again the close-up on MJ's face, could you imagine the '52T Mantle being anywhere near its iconic status with that treatment of his likeness?) Star enthusiasts/collectors here should give their own testimonials as to the eye appeal per se of these cards. It varies, right? The 117 has a lot of eye appeal IMO and the imagery qualifies as iconic for me. But are there any owners/collectors of the 84S Barkley RC ("XRC" kinda adds some sort of irrelevant qualifier here, dunnit?) who really dug the eye appeal per se of the card? I just don't really see it. How do they crop it like that? Now I'd ask the same of Hakeem/Akeem RCs from the 84S set. Nice eye appeal, right? Not exactly all that hard to figure out. Either a card has the "it" look to it and some cards from the Star era make the cut and others don't. The 117 is the "it" early card of MJ (with the "Chicago" away jersey) for me. Not much of the other Star cards of MJ uses great imagery, either. His face half in shadow on the 288, a good/iconic shot on the 195 USA card but not in a pro jersey, some good dunk-contest images on a couple of the rookie-year 5x7s (and who collects 5x7s exactly . . . I know I'd have sets of these with the money to blow ). As for iconic cards of the other NBA legends of the Star period at or near their primes, I do like the imagery on the '86 Magic, I think, the purple border of him driving in a purple away jersay against Dennis Johnson, and the more close-up yellow-themed '86 Court Kings card, and then with Bird there's the weirdly-cropped '83 card and the two more posed-like FT shooting '84 and '85 cards, cards I'd definitely be collecting with the funds to blow. But iconic cards? I'd say the two aforementioned Magic cards qualify, not really sure about truly iconic-looking Bird cards aside from an imaginary closer-cropped version of the '83 card in which Bird displays his own case for the "greatest shooter ever" argument. (As for nice imagery on later Bird cards, might I recommend the '91 Hoops with an "elder" Bird driving?)

08-13-2022, 06:36 AM	#131
Uncbuddha Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 213	The two 5x7s are the best looking MJ Star cards by a mile. . . . But they are 5x7s. The best looking standard sized MJs are the MJ subset Olympic card and Pro Stats.

08-13-2022, 01:52 PM	#134
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	are Star collectors generally in agreement that (for the regular-sized cards) the Olajuwon RC treatment is much better than the Barkley or Jordan 101 presentations? IOW Star producing 'iconic' material for top players is pretty much hit-or-miss?

08-17-2022, 03:21 AM	#136
markmac33 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 17	I have a GAI 8 Star 101 Jordan I’m thinking of crossing over. Card Ladder values it at around $27700. PSA 8 last sold for around 116k. No sales of a PSA 7 that I know of. If I do a min grade of 8 would you send the card in for the $1k fee for the $24,999 value and pay the up charge if it crosses successfully? I would hate to pay more (2k for $49999 or less and 3k for 99999 or less) to grade it and it not cross over. Not sure if a 7 would be worth 2 to 3k more than the SGC grade. Not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts?

08-17-2022, 03:26 AM	#137
markmac33 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 17	The 5x7 Audie Norris was my last card needed to complete the full Star run. Took awhile to find one.

08-17-2022, 01:28 PM	#142
mrseanc1 Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 158	You’re going to have to crack it. There’s no way it will cross otherwise. Send at $600 level.

08-17-2022, 02:45 PM	#144
markmac33 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 17	Yes. It from the Mr. Z Blazers set.

08-17-2022, 02:52 PM	#145
markmac33 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 17	Thanks for the info mrseanc1. It’s a GAI 8 with the “first graded” noted on the slab. I’ve had it since maybe 2004 or 2005. I don’t want to break it out but I may have to if I want to take the gamble. I figured measuring the size could be done digitally without having to crack.

08-17-2022, 06:34 PM	#147
markmac33 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 17	Thank you. I meant to say GAI instead of SGC.