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[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Andy Broome also admitted that they lowered their surface grade as well when they changed slabs/grading scale. He said they were grading surfaces way too hard. They adjusted their centering scale to match SGC, they were even more strict than SGC with their green labels. People also don't understand that an old 9.5 is a new 10 and that some 9's could be 9.5's in the new scale.

I really wish there was some official review for green 9s.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by KeltonB

I really wish there was some official review for green 9s.

100% agree and I also think that compensation should be given for Pristine 10's. Those cards are now exactly the same as an old 9.5 if reslabbed.

[grade]

Double your sub fees. Dont forget to calculate CSG ROI correctly.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

100% agree and I also think that compensation should be given for Pristine 10's. Those cards are now exactly the same as an old 9.5 if reslabbed.

My Pristine CSG 10 Tiger Woods Upper Deck RC will forever be my favorite card and thr pop report will never go higher.

[grade]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

My Pristine CSG 10 Tiger Woods Upper Deck RC will forever be my favorite card and thr pop report will never go higher.

My PSA 10 Tiger rc will be worth more with 1,000's in PSA pop and registry.

Have to laugh at these CSG fanboiz relying on hope for collecting.

[swerve]

My submission was uploaded to my account today!

[CardGoonies]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Andy Broome also admitted that they lowered their surface grade as well when they changed slabs/grading scale. He said they were grading surfaces way too hard. They adjusted their centering scale to match SGC, they were even more strict than SGC with their green labels. People also don't understand that an old 9.5 is a new 10 and that some 9's could be 9.5's in the new scale.

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Indeed! Fortunately many are learning. I never understood how a card with gem mint 9.5 was considered inferior to a card with gem mint 10. I get the change and capitalized on csg 9.5 in the old label. Got a csg 9.5 on a bc Ohtani. Cracked and shipped to PSA and got a 10. Sold the card for $600 when zi likely could not get $300 in old slab. It is crazy, but that is the game.

Originally Posted by KeltonB

I really wish there was some official review for green 9s.

A lot of people just saying stuff to keep a hype train going that has slowed down to a screeching halt.

Not many posts back I literally posted a link to my post with a bunch of scans from GREEN 9.5s that are garbage on surface and edge. They wouldn't PSA 8 with that damage.

This talk fo "surface this, green label that, centering this, blah blah blah" is just that... Blah blah blah. Not true.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by CardGoonies

A lot of people just saying stuff to keep a hype train going that has slowed down to a screeching halt.

Not many posts back I literally posted a link to my post with a bunch of scans from GREEN 9.5s that are garbage on surface and edge. They wouldn't PSA 8 with that damage.

This talk fo "surface this, green label that, centering this, blah blah blah" is just that... Blah blah blah. Not true.

There are PSA 10's that if regraded with CSG/SGC would get 8's as well. I had a few PSA 10's that had some issues, which wouldn't Gem with GMA. It is not a hype train. PSA/SGC/CSG all are within the same ballpark with grades right now. From a Gem rate, SGC is the toughest, CSG is #2m and then PSA at #3. Pretty easy to see this from gemrate data. However, your 7 cards you showed is much more complelling data than hundreds of thousands of cards compiled by gemrate each month.

Blah, blah, blah. All grading companies can't repeat their grading and they are all inconsistent. Blah, blah, blah.

[grade]

#1 PSA
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#3 BGS
#4SGC
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#6 GMA
#6 HGA
#6 CSG

The rest blah blah blah
*****#2 is reserved for BGS when they get going again.
*****#5 is for BCCG until they disappear on ebay.

[CheapThief]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

There are PSA 10's that if regraded with CSG/SGC would get 8's as well. I had a few PSA 10's that had some issues, which wouldn't Gem with GMA. It is not a hype train. PSA/SGC/CSG all are within the same ballpark with grades right now. From a Gem rate, SGC is the toughest, CSG is #2m and then PSA at #3. Pretty easy to see this from gemrate data. However, your 7 cards you showed is much more complelling data than hundreds of thousands of cards compiled by gemrate each month.

Blah, blah, blah. All grading companies can't repeat their grading and they are all inconsistent. Blah, blah, blah.

I'd second this. It's all really the same, give or take the occasional data point, and people should spend more time finding ways to source cards and less time agonizing over and dissecting the 'differences' between the services. It's dumb, not helpful, and unproductive.

[KPOD]

Take the CSG talk to another thread, made this discussion for the PSA $18 rate

[grade]

Originally Posted by CheapThief

I'd second this. It's all really the same, give or take the occasional data point, and people should spend more time finding ways to source cards and less time agonizing over and dissecting the 'differences' between the services. It's dumb, not helpful, and unproductive.

Take grading companies out of the topic.

Any and i mean ANY company you do business with would need some type of longevity and consistency thru years. You cannot just trust a company after a 1 year track history. Especially with a business transaction that is based on time. (like life insurance, storage, plumbing , electricians ,automobile, CARDS, etc). The bigger the monetary transaction is , the more important the longevity and history factors become.

Tesla, Toyota, LG, Samsung , apple, ebay ,Amazon was not built in 1 year. It took a long time before those companies became trusted by the public.

Now back to grading, If i am going to spend $xx,xxx on grading fees with $xxx,xxx in value, you best bet PSA is a more stable and smart choice to do business with, Next would be BGS and SGC. Heck, GMA might be around longer than CSG.


If you spend $100's with $100's in value, Go ahead and use any company, TAG, HGA, CSG etc. Small money . If they shut down , no lose.

IT is just smart business and smart money to go with PSA on bigger transactions. /

[CardGoonies]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

There are PSA 10's that if regraded with CSG/SGC would get 8's as well. I had a few PSA 10's that had some issues, which wouldn't Gem with GMA. It is not a hype train. PSA/SGC/CSG all are within the same ballpark with grades right now. From a Gem rate, SGC is the toughest, CSG is #2m and then PSA at #3. Pretty easy to see this from gemrate data. However, your 7 cards you showed is much more complelling data than hundreds of thousands of cards compiled by gemrate each month.

Blah, blah, blah. All grading companies can't repeat their grading and they are all inconsistent. Blah, blah, blah.

Hey, man, whatever you gotta do to hype up whatever grading company you've got stuff at... go for it! Maybe just take it to CSG threads?

In the mean time, feel free to start a thread to tell us more about Green Label CSG 9.5s being incredibly hard on surface standards and this incredible change that's happened at CSG. I'm enjoying the stories!

Better yet, toss in some SGC being so tough on 10s so I can scan in my Joey B die cut SGC 10 RC w obvious edge damage and a big ding in it.

[CheapThief]

Originally Posted by grade

Take grading companies out of the topic.

Any and i mean ANY company you do business with would need some type of longevity and consistency thru years. You cannot just trust a company after a 1 year track history. Especially with a business transaction that is based on time. (like life insurance, storage, plumbing , electricians ,automobile, CARDS, etc). The bigger the monetary transaction is , the more important the longevity and history factors become.

Tesla, Toyota, LG, Samsung , apple, ebay ,Amazon was not built in 1 year. It took a long time before those companies became trusted by the public.

Now back to grading, If i am going to spend $xx,xxx on grading fees with $xxx,xxx in value, you best bet PSA is a more stable and smart choice to do business with, Next would be BGS and SGC. Heck, GMA might be around longer than CSG.


If you spend $100's with $100's in value, Go ahead and use any company, TAG, HGA, CSG etc. Small money . If they shut down , no lose.

IT is just smart business and smart money to go with PSA on bigger transactions. /

I completely agree with all this. But, that has nothing to do with their approach to grading, which is more-or-less the same as every other major, reputable company's approach to grading.

[grade]

Originally Posted by CheapThief

I completely agree with all this. But, that has nothing to do with their approach to grading, which is more-or-less the same as every other major, reputable company's approach to grading.

Similar as Hyundai vs Toyota.

Hyundai makes great cars nowadays, but it took a long time to get the acceptance by public.

Still wont buy a Hyundai. Toyota may not be as great as the 1990's. But i still rather have a Toyota.

That is proven by the resale values. The public decides its still Toyota. (Hyundai is closing the gap, but it took decades and millions of cars to get to where they are today).

Maybe CSG will be a Hyundai and give PSA a challenger. Or CSG could be a YUGO, Renault, Fiat and just disappear in a decade or few years. Give it time.

*I spend almost $10,000 in fees with CSG/CGC when they both first started, It was the biggest mistake i made the last 2 years with cards. Saved a couple of thousand in fees but lost $10,000's in Collection Value. Maybe even closer to $100,000 in collection value lost. BIG MISTAKE. Should have just stayed with PSA>

[jkampis]

I’m trying to find on the PSA website where you have to send in pre-1996 and post-1996 cards in separate orders for this promo and I can’t. Is that really the case?

[Woodsy074]

Originally Posted by jkampis

I’m trying to find on the PSA website where you have to send in pre-1996 and post-1996 cards in separate orders for this promo and I can’t. Is that really the case?

Yes. When you go to create a submission, the options are July National Special - 1995-Older; 20-Card Minimum or July National Special - 1996-Present; 20-Card Minimum

[KPOD]

Originally Posted by jkampis

I’m trying to find on the PSA website where you have to send in pre-1996 and post-1996 cards in separate orders for this promo and I can’t. Is that really the case?

Do you have an active PSA membership?

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

Similar as Hyundai vs Toyota.

Hyundai makes great cars nowadays, but it took a long time to get the acceptance by public.

Still wont buy a Hyundai. Toyota may not be as great as the 1990's. But i still rather have a Toyota.

That is proven by the resale values. The public decides its still Toyota. (Hyundai is closing the gap, but it took decades and millions of cars to get to where they are today).

Maybe CSG will be a Hyundai and give PSA a challenger. Or CSG could be a YUGO, Renault, Fiat and just disappear in a decade or few years. Give it time.

*I spend almost $10,000 in fees with CSG/CGC when they both first started, It was the biggest mistake i made the last 2 years with cards. Saved a couple of thousand in fees but lost $10,000's in Collection Value. Maybe even closer to $100,000 in collection value lost. BIG MISTAKE. Should have just stayed with PSA>

I find it hilarious how you blame the grading company rather than yourself for this. You hate CGG because it doesn't have the resale value that you want yet. You'd hate SGC if you had sent the cards to them. It's like bitching about resale value of Hyundai vs Toyota after you bought the Hyundai. Take some personal responsibility rather than acting like CGC held a gun to your head making you submit to them.

[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

I find it hilarious how you blame the grading company rather than yourself for this. You hate CGG because it doesn't have the resale value that you want yet. You'd hate SGC if you had sent the cards to them. It's like bitching about resale value of Hyundai vs Toyota after you bought the Hyundai. Take some personal responsibility rather than acting like CGC held a gun to your head making you submit to them.

You just dont get it.

I bought a service and got something different and a product that changes in a month.

No stability and accountability by CSG /CGC .

Buying a Hyundai that falls apart in a month or is not what as advertised is on Hyundai. Not the buyers.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

You just dont get it.

I bought a service and got something different and a product that changes in a month.

No stability and accountability by CSG /CGC .

Buying a Hyundai that falls apart in a month or is not what as advertised is on Hyundai. Not the buyers.

So if CSG/CGC kept the same labels and scale with the same lower ROI compared to PSA, you'd be super happy? Really? And CSG/CGC would not listen to the other 90% of people wanting the change. Is that good company business? If they kept the same grading scale/labels, they would probably not have made it. With the change, they are easily grading the 2nd most cards between CSG,CGC and CSG has been grading more than SGC the past couple of weeks as well. I'd say CSG did exactly what they needed to do to give them the best chance of staying in the hobby. People are responding.

[jkampis]

Originally Posted by Woodsy074

Yes. When you go to create a submission, the options are July National Special - 1995-Older; 20-Card Minimumor July National Special - 1996-Present; 20-Card Minimum

Damn, that’s annoying. Looks like I’m going to have to get together enough for two separate 20-card orders.

[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

So if CSG/CGC kept the same labels and scale with the same lower ROI compared to PSA, you'd be super happy? Really? And CSG/CGC would not listen to the other 90% of people wanting the change. Is that good company business? If they kept the same grading scale/labels, they would probably not have made it. With the change, they are easily grading the 2nd most cards between CSG,CGC and CSG has been grading more than SGC the past couple of weeks as well. I'd say CSG did exactly what they needed to do to give them the best chance of staying in the hobby. People are responding.

Totally understand people that grade a few cards at a time have a different view, .

Users that grade 100's or 1000's of cards . Have different thinking and risks.

[daaaaaaaaniel]

I might send in something for the first time. Does a Panini soccer sticker count as a "card"?

[Viper Collects]

Yes, Ive seen those stickers graded before.