2019-20 Topps Chrome UEFA Champions League Discussion - Page 6

PoPCulture · 12-07-2020, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Haaland will be interesting. I’d probably go with Bundi since it was first, but others may feel differently.

I completely agree. If the 2 products had released closer together it would likely be a toss up or based solely on the photo of each but Bundesliga Chrome has been out for so long now it will always be embedded in my brain as the card to own.

reddragonthe · 12-07-2020, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Haaland Bundesliga are 200 raw, chrome should be higher I would think

I think this is going to be interesting to watch. Not a ton of things to compare to (especially at his level) but in those cases Bundesliga is cheaper than Champions (less than half of the price). Does that mean this goes up? Or does Bundesliga drop? Or do we see a new norm?

Reyna Bundesliga becomes a really nice card now with no primary competition other than Museum.

Haaland Bundesliga becomes maybe a bit more of a hot potato depending on if you think it may have it's legs cut out from under it.

fadster · 12-07-2020, 03:09 PM

I think $400 for a raw base is too much, that's more than Haaland (who is red hot) and Mbappe, and there are a lot of established Fati cards for competition. The colour is new and unique and will do well, although the top end colour multipliers tend to be a tad lower than other sports. I might be wrong but I seem to remember you get closer to 7 base per player per case. We're going to get some very interesting tests in how important it is to be first and have graded copies out there changing hands, exciting times after a long wait!

netmasters · 12-07-2020, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nordy22

Fati
Haaland
Mount
Abraham
Junior
Kang

Hear anything on Torres or Szoboszlai?

netmasters · 12-07-2020, 03:14 PM

double post

KhalDrogo · 12-07-2020, 03:18 PM

Fati Chrome base will easily eclipse $1k for the first PSA 10s. Don’t imagine there will be a ton of this stuff ripped. Although you soccer hooligans were probably in for all the preorders way back when.

netmasters · 12-07-2020, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by reddragonthe

I think this is going to be interesting to watch. Not a ton of things to compare to (especially at his level) but in those cases Bundesliga is cheaper than Champions (less than half of the price). Does that mean this goes up? Or does Bundesliga drop? Or do we see a new norm?

Reyna Bundesliga becomes a really nice card now with no primary competition other than Museum.

Haaland Bundesliga becomes maybe a bit more of a hot potato depending on if you think it may have it's legs cut out from under it.

If the Haaland CL causes the Bundi to drop it would be a little disappointing. It will come down to how many people remember how late this product was released. The previous Bundi/CL were released about a month a part not 6. I agree it will be very interesting. The Bundi will have less base and parralells than the CL so that alone should make it more valuable but we will see.

warriorsmi · 12-07-2020, 03:29 PM

This release was supposed to drop in May...how far we’ve come

Ianhatcher · 12-07-2020, 03:40 PM

I don't really care which released first for me what makes first iconic is the first release of a brand for a sport like 2012 Prizm Basketball, 2014 WC Prizm and 17/18 Chrome UEFA. I know a lot of people especially in this particular hobby place value on that though but doesn't really matter to me. Same brand and season I'm good with either, it's just a way for people to try and add value to cards imo.

I have lots of the Bundesliga one and will end up with lots of this as well so either way it doesn't bother me. Just doesn't any further value in my mind that a card was produced first.

SupermanBrandon · 12-07-2020, 03:43 PM

Haaland will have a very Baseball release feel to it, imo. Series 1 being Bundi & Series 2 being UEFA. Both "rookies" loved but one came first!

bloomie6 · 12-07-2020, 03:52 PM

In a few years (looking back) both Bundy and Chrome will be extremely popular and expensive. This year is the last year the print runs will stay "relatively" low... In 2021 and beyond Topps and Panini will crank the press on soccer cards... My opinion is buy both as much as you can...

Full disclosure is I have 4 cases of Uefa coming that I bought extremely cheap and I even just bought another case today at over $8K...

So I guess I'm putting my $$$ where my mouth is...

KhalDrogo · 12-07-2020, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bloomie6

In a few years (looking back) both Bundy and Chrome will be extremely popular and expensive. This year is the last year the print runs will stay "relatively" low... In 2021 and beyond Topps and Panini will crank the press on soccer cards... My opinion is buy both as much as you can...

Full disclosure is I have 4 cases of Uefa coming that I bought extremely cheap and I even just bought another case today at over $8K...

So I guess I'm putting my $$$ where my mouth is...

Agree. 2017 is criminally undervalued right now. 2018 will depend on how Sancho and Felix pan out. 2019 will have the densest rookie crop we’ve seen.

nordy22 · 12-07-2020, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bloomie6

In a few years (looking back) both Bundy and Chrome will be extremely popular and expensive. This year is the last year the print runs will stay "relatively" low... In 2021 and beyond Topps and Panini will crank the press on soccer cards... My opinion is buy both as much as you can...

Full disclosure is I have 4 cases of Uefa coming that I bought extremely cheap and I even just bought another case today at over $8K...

So I guess I'm putting my $$$ where my mouth is...

What’s crazy is at $8k in today’s market it has the closest roi of almost anything (all sports) without hitting a monster card

anm2231 · 12-07-2020, 04:01 PM

I think the bots will get all the Topps website inventory on Wednesday....I hope I’m wrong

reddragonthe · 12-07-2020, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nordy22

What’s crazy is at $8k in today’s market it has the closest roi of almost anything (all sports) without hitting a monster card

Ding ding ding ding

PLUS the upside of ACTUAL monster cards.

At some point we may wake up and these are back to pieces of speculative cardboard at smaller values... but until then...

k13 · 12-07-2020, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nordy22

What’s crazy is at $8k in today’s market it has the closest roi of almost anything (all sports) without hitting a monster card

If better players don't sell what makes you think worse players will sell for more in the future when they aren't shiny and young?

nordy22 · 12-07-2020, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

If better players don't sell what makes you think worse players will sell for more in the future when they aren't shiny and young?

I don’t know what the market will be in a month but this product for the next few weeks is a better buy than any basketball product on blowouts website if you are ripping and flipping and it’s not even close......

nordy22 · 12-07-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nordy22

I don’t know what the market will be in a month but this product for the next few weeks is a better buy than any basketball product on blowouts website if you are ripping and flipping and it’s not even close......

For example buy a case of prizm nba or buy 3-4 cases of this it’s a no brainer. I understand the cost is high but for many in this hobby it’s a drop in the bucket.

netmasters · 12-07-2020, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

If better players don't sell what makes you think worse players will sell for more in the future when they aren't shiny and young?

Let me introduce you to a little stock known as Tesla. It has horrible financials compare to the bigger more established car companies yet its valuation is much higher. When you figure that out you will have some insight into the card market. Come back once you've got it.

netmasters · 12-07-2020, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nordy22

For example buy a case of prizm nba or buy 3-4 cases of this it’s a no brainer. I understand the cost is high but for many in this hobby it’s a drop in the bucket.

To me the smaller checklist will always make soccer a better value when all else is equal.

That being said please stop encouraging people to buy. More for us!

reddragonthe · 12-07-2020, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by netmasters

To me the smaller checklist will always make soccer a better value when all else is equal.

That being said please stop encouraging people to buy. More for us!

That and the print run as mentioned earlier. That starts to catch up next release (hopefully they didn't adjust things for this one last minute). Original plans put it at the same parallel distribution as 18-19 which I think gets us to around 1800 cases only.

nordy22 · 12-07-2020, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by netmasters

To me the smaller checklist will always make soccer a better value when all else is equal.

That being said please stop encouraging people to buy. More for us!

Exactly 100 base cards and all we have talked about is 2 players forget Messi Ronaldo Neymar mbappe pulisic and a bunch of other rookies to boot. Sorry I’m fired up this product is great.

fadster · 12-07-2020, 05:02 PM

I think the biggest difference between now and the past is that the previously the market almost had a chance to look back at everything and decide which was it's favourite to grade and sink $ into. The difference now is that has been happening as we've gone through the season and things have rebalanced after every release.

My gut is that the Fati won't affect the MGK or Este much, they are driven by a slightly different part of the market. I think the Contenders and Obsidian will be the ones to lose ground if anything does. It's interesting, if you reversed the release order I think these two would be an afterthought.

As for Haaland I can see the Finest suffering, the Fussball sticker is pulling away those that want a Salzburg kit release and two Chrome releases pulling the refractor collectors. I honestly don't know how what the balance between UCL and Bundi chrome will be like, it's a unique situation, my gut is that the Bundi will stay slightly ahead as there's not enough difference to dislodge the $ already sunk. At the same time the Reyna Bundesliga is a big winner, that has a clear run in the shiny card stakes.

It'll be interesting to see the full checklist, there are a couple of interesting guys who went through 19/20 without any hobby releases so any debate about timing and competition is irrelevant.

SupermanBrandon · 12-07-2020, 05:29 PM

full checklist yet?

Ianhatcher · 12-07-2020, 05:36 PM

Interesting take Fadster. I think the main thing people don't know about Finest is it is an incredibly tough grade. The SP is 2 PSA 10s out of 18 and the Salzberg refractor is even tougher with 1 10 out of 41 submitted. That's incredibly low percentage of 10s with a modern set but I can see it as Finest had a lot of print line issues.

Chrome UEFA will always be my go too but I've collected all of it this year for both players, even stickers and the MGK Fati.

I just like the fact that there is something for everyone this year for 2 of the biggest up and coming stars in Fati and Haaland and that's a big win.

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warriorsmi Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,393	This release was supposed to drop in May...how far we’ve come __________________ Detroit sports will be back!

12-07-2020, 03:09 PM	#128
fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	I think $400 for a raw base is too much, that's more than Haaland (who is red hot) and Mbappe, and there are a lot of established Fati cards for competition. The colour is new and unique and will do well, although the top end colour multipliers tend to be a tad lower than other sports. I might be wrong but I seem to remember you get closer to 7 base per player per case. We're going to get some very interesting tests in how important it is to be first and have graded copies out there changing hands, exciting times after a long wait!

12-07-2020, 03:14 PM	#130
netmasters Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 698	double post

12-07-2020, 03:18 PM	#131
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,301	Fati Chrome base will easily eclipse $1k for the first PSA 10s. Don’t imagine there will be a ton of this stuff ripped. Although you soccer hooligans were probably in for all the preorders way back when.

12-07-2020, 03:40 PM	#134
Ianhatcher Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,973 ian5555	I don't really care which released first for me what makes first iconic is the first release of a brand for a sport like 2012 Prizm Basketball, 2014 WC Prizm and 17/18 Chrome UEFA. I know a lot of people especially in this particular hobby place value on that though but doesn't really matter to me. Same brand and season I'm good with either, it's just a way for people to try and add value to cards imo. I have lots of the Bundesliga one and will end up with lots of this as well so either way it doesn't bother me. Just doesn't any further value in my mind that a card was produced first.

12-07-2020, 03:43 PM	#135
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Haaland will have a very Baseball release feel to it, imo. Series 1 being Bundi & Series 2 being UEFA. Both "rookies" loved but one came first!

12-07-2020, 03:52 PM	#136
bloomie6 Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Solon, Ohio Posts: 284 Bloomie669	In a few years (looking back) both Bundy and Chrome will be extremely popular and expensive. This year is the last year the print runs will stay "relatively" low... In 2021 and beyond Topps and Panini will crank the press on soccer cards... My opinion is buy both as much as you can... Full disclosure is I have 4 cases of Uefa coming that I bought extremely cheap and I even just bought another case today at over $8K... So I guess I'm putting my $$$ where my mouth is...

12-07-2020, 04:01 PM	#139
anm2231 Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 2,239	I think the bots will get all the Topps website inventory on Wednesday....I hope I’m wrong

12-07-2020, 05:02 PM	#148
fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	I think the biggest difference between now and the past is that the previously the market almost had a chance to look back at everything and decide which was it's favourite to grade and sink $ into. The difference now is that has been happening as we've gone through the season and things have rebalanced after every release. My gut is that the Fati won't affect the MGK or Este much, they are driven by a slightly different part of the market. I think the Contenders and Obsidian will be the ones to lose ground if anything does. It's interesting, if you reversed the release order I think these two would be an afterthought. As for Haaland I can see the Finest suffering, the Fussball sticker is pulling away those that want a Salzburg kit release and two Chrome releases pulling the refractor collectors. I honestly don't know how what the balance between UCL and Bundi chrome will be like, it's a unique situation, my gut is that the Bundi will stay slightly ahead as there's not enough difference to dislodge the $ already sunk. At the same time the Reyna Bundesliga is a big winner, that has a clear run in the shiny card stakes. It'll be interesting to see the full checklist, there are a couple of interesting guys who went through 19/20 without any hobby releases so any debate about timing and competition is irrelevant.

12-07-2020, 05:29 PM	#149
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	full checklist yet?

12-07-2020, 05:36 PM	#150
Ianhatcher Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,973 ian5555	Interesting take Fadster. I think the main thing people don't know about Finest is it is an incredibly tough grade. The SP is 2 PSA 10s out of 18 and the Salzberg refractor is even tougher with 1 10 out of 41 submitted. That's incredibly low percentage of 10s with a modern set but I can see it as Finest had a lot of print line issues. Chrome UEFA will always be my go too but I've collected all of it this year for both players, even stickers and the MGK Fati. I just like the fact that there is something for everyone this year for 2 of the biggest up and coming stars in Fati and Haaland and that's a big win.