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gameissued · 01-12-2019, 01:54 AM

These two cards don't look exact to me.. or maybe it's just the pics. I see more white between the blue/red borders on the raw card.. (bottom right).. yes?

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Here's a side by side view for the BODA experts out there. I have no clue what to look for that would give away the authenticity.

chiefsncards275 · 01-12-2019, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gameissued

These two cards don't look exact to me.. or maybe it's just the pics. I see more white between the blue/red borders on the raw card.. (bottom right).. yes?

I see that too. I also think the top edge looks a little different between the two

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chiefsncards275 · 01-12-2019, 02:03 AM

Also idk if it’s the lighting but the color on the one on the right looks a little more light or faded compared to the graded one. Focus on Jordan’s legs in the photo

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pgisback · 01-12-2019, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsncards275

Also idk if it’s the lighting but the color on the one on the right looks a little more light or faded compared to the graded one. Focus on Jordan’s legs in the photo

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The photo on the left looks like it's taken with much better resolution. Just a sharper image with better coloring.

chadwich · 01-12-2019, 07:22 AM

The card you had in the PSA slab is definitely a counterfeit. Check the “d” in “Forward” and how it aligns vertically with the “N” in “Jordan”. On an authentic card the d is just slightly under the n. On this card, the d is clearly to the right of the n if you were to draw a straight line down from the n. I could also point out flaws on the back if you have a scan.

This was a hot topic on here a few years ago as we found multiple counterfeit Jordan rookies slabbed in PSA holders.

So, now the question is, where did you get the Jordan from originally? Looks like that might be the real scammer in all this.

Sorry OP.

Aultimate21 · 01-12-2019, 08:02 AM

This is the only sale of this card I found on eBay in July 2017.

The top right arrow extends to high is also a sign it is fake. Sometimes PSA misses these even

levinich · 01-12-2019, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gameissued

These two cards don't look exact to me.. or maybe it's just the pics. I see more white between the blue/red borders on the raw card.. (bottom right).. yes?

They are definitely different, the one on the bottom right has a white printing mark on the red under the D in GUARD and the psa 8, clearly a different card.

johnyensmith123 · 01-12-2019, 09:25 AM

This is the problem with authenticity of Jordan RCs and other base paper cards. The only way to tell if it's authentic is by inspection. There are some fakes that are easy to tell. And then there are the fakes that are very hard to tell and people have differing opinions on the authenticity. And then there are the fakes that virtually everyone would say is authentic, because they're faked so well and look exactly like the real ones. It doesn't really matter much if they're in BGS or PSA slabs at this point, especially for these base paper cards.

KhalDrogo · 01-12-2019, 09:25 AM

So he cracked a fake and sent back a different fake?

johnyensmith123 · 01-12-2019, 09:30 AM

It seems like the general opinion is that the original card in the slab and the card returned by the scammer are two different cards.

But it seems like some people are also saying that the original card in the slab could be fake. The OP still did lose 2k regardless, because if the buyer wasn't a scammer, the buyer likely wouldn't have filed a return by cracking it out of the case.

johnyensmith123 · 01-12-2019, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chadwich

So, now the question is, where did you get the Jordan from originally? Looks like that might be the real scammer in all this.

Not really, if the buyer returned a different card, he's also a real scammer. He probably thought it was real because it was in a PSA slab, and pulled a scam by sending a different fake/reprint.

Does anyone else have opinions on whether the original one in the PSA slab is fake or not? Can't really tell real Jordan RCs from fake ones.

pgisback · 01-12-2019, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

So he cracked a fake and sent back a different fake?

I don’t agree that the cards are different. The photo on the right is just taken with lower quality with direct light hitting the right side. They look like the exact same cards to me.

Blake711 · 01-12-2019, 11:39 AM

Clearly there are different resolutions on the photos. It still looks like to me on the right card where the blue meets the white in top left corner there is a more discernible white line at the bottom part of blue edge.

pgisback · 01-12-2019, 12:18 PM

I don't know. Looks like the right pic is just lower res causing colors to blend and distort. Sort of like how the top edge looks like it's glowing.

theleica · 01-12-2019, 12:29 PM

It's the same exact card. I straightened the cards out in Photoshop and the measurements on the edges look exactly the same. What are the odds you get a card back where that occurs?

pingbling23 · 01-12-2019, 01:09 PM

Op, how long did you own the card. Who did you buy it from. Did you buy it graded or grade yourself.

theLUCKYshow · 01-12-2019, 01:57 PM

Cards look the same to me. Also looks better than a PSA 8 but I guess that's moot if it's a fake.

So the slab is a fake? Or PSA graded the fake. Or the original was cracked out and replaced with a fake. I see no frosting to indicate that the pic of the PSA 8 was cracked and swapped out.

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pgisback · 01-12-2019, 02:52 PM

What’s crazy is if someone can tell it’s a fake by a simple eBay photo how can PSA not know it’s a fake?

*This is if it is indeed fake based on the post earlier

pingbling23 · 01-12-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

What’s crazy is if someone can tell it’s a fake by a simple eBay photo how can PSA not know it’s a fake?

*This is if it is indeed fake based on the post earlier

problem is people have faked psa slabs and labels for several years, thats why they went to the newer one with a hologram.

johnyensmith123 · 01-12-2019, 05:07 PM

OP, did the buyer say why he thought the card was fake? Maybe ask him why he thought it was even fake to return it?

Springerj23 · 01-12-2019, 07:12 PM

Pics of the back is all I need to see. I can’t say either is real/fake with the pics provided. Don’t know the story, only read the last page. If someone cracked an 8 that they paid $2K for, they are a blooming idiot...
These threads lately with all these returns, makes me not want to sell or buy anything unless it’s through a consignor.

BigZigBoom · 01-12-2019, 07:42 PM

Well, I think the MJ in the PSA slab is a fake. I know that it is possible to crack the old cases, take a card out, and put another one in. I'm pretty sure a guy got busted in Nebraska, recently, for doing this exact same thing with Mickey Mantle cards.

stang_crazy · 01-12-2019, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigZigBoom

Well, I think the MJ in the PSA slab is a fake. I know that it is possible to crack the old cases, take a card out, and put another one in. I'm pretty sure a guy got busted in Nebraska, recently, for doing this exact same thing with Mickey Mantle cards.

Id like to hear more on this story i am in nebraska and haven't heard about it at all.

Dontom · 01-13-2019, 12:18 AM

Thees are 2 different cards. The arrow by fleer extends much higher on the psa card compared to the loose card. There is also a white printing dot under the "d" on the loose card that is not on the psa card, unless that is dust or something. Lastly the bottom right corner on the psa card has a slight ding and the bottom right corner of the loose card is perfect. The ding on the corner is hard to see unless you really zoom in but it's there. I'm guessing that's the reason it got a 8 because the rest of the card looks really nice.

pgisback · 01-13-2019, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dontom

Thees are 2 different cards. The arrow by fleer extends much higher on the psa card compared to the loose card. There is also a white printing dot under the "d" on the loose card that is not on the psa card, unless that is dust or something. Lastly the bottom right corner on the psa card has a slight ding and the bottom right corner of the loose card is perfect. The ding on the corner is hard to see unless you really zoom in but it's there. I'm guessing that's the reason it got a 8 because the rest of the card looks really nice.

I still think it's just the lower resolution of the right pic distorting those very very minor differences like the tip of the arrow. And the white dot looks like a spec. There's very little doubt in my mind they are the same card.

01-12-2019, 07:22 AM	#130
chadwich Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 163	Psa 8 slabbed Jordan is a counterfeit The card you had in the PSA slab is definitely a counterfeit. Check the “d” in “Forward” and how it aligns vertically with the “N” in “Jordan”. On an authentic card the d is just slightly under the n. On this card, the d is clearly to the right of the n if you were to draw a straight line down from the n. I could also point out flaws on the back if you have a scan. This was a hot topic on here a few years ago as we found multiple counterfeit Jordan rookies slabbed in PSA holders. So, now the question is, where did you get the Jordan from originally? Looks like that might be the real scammer in all this. Sorry OP. __________________ PC: Washington Husky players, Kam Chancellor, Jim Jackson (Dallas only), Cody Bellinger

01-12-2019, 08:02 AM	#131
Aultimate21 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,159	This is the only sale of this card I found on eBay in July 2017. The top right arrow extends to high is also a sign it is fake. Sometimes PSA misses these even Attached Thumbnails

01-12-2019, 11:39 AM	#138
Blake711 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 353 x_789	Clearly there are different resolutions on the photos. It still looks like to me on the right card where the blue meets the white in top left corner there is a more discernible white line at the bottom part of blue edge. Attached Thumbnails

01-12-2019, 01:57 PM	#142
theLUCKYshow Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 5,455 theluckshow	Cards look the same to me. Also looks better than a PSA 8 but I guess that's moot if it's a fake. So the slab is a fake? Or PSA graded the fake. Or the original was cracked out and replaced with a fake. I see no frosting to indicate that the pic of the PSA 8 was cracked and swapped out. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk __________________ Always looking for high end Harry Giles AKA the Future Last edited by theLUCKYshow; 01-12-2019 at 02:05 PM.

01-12-2019, 02:03 AM	#128
chiefsncards275 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,497 chiefsncards275	Also idk if it’s the lighting but the color on the one on the right looks a little more light or faded compared to the graded one. Focus on Jordan’s legs in the photo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-12-2019, 09:25 AM	#133
johnyensmith123 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,745	This is the problem with authenticity of Jordan RCs and other base paper cards. The only way to tell if it's authentic is by inspection. There are some fakes that are easy to tell. And then there are the fakes that are very hard to tell and people have differing opinions on the authenticity. And then there are the fakes that virtually everyone would say is authentic, because they're faked so well and look exactly like the real ones. It doesn't really matter much if they're in BGS or PSA slabs at this point, especially for these base paper cards.

01-12-2019, 09:25 AM	#134
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,076	So he cracked a fake and sent back a different fake?

01-12-2019, 09:30 AM	#135
johnyensmith123 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,745	It seems like the general opinion is that the original card in the slab and the card returned by the scammer are two different cards. But it seems like some people are also saying that the original card in the slab could be fake. The OP still did lose 2k regardless, because if the buyer wasn't a scammer, the buyer likely wouldn't have filed a return by cracking it out of the case.

01-12-2019, 12:18 PM	#139
pgisback Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Seattle Posts: 21,023	I don't know. Looks like the right pic is just lower res causing colors to blend and distort. Sort of like how the top edge looks like it's glowing.

01-12-2019, 12:29 PM	#140
theleica Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 4,381	It's the same exact card. I straightened the cards out in Photoshop and the measurements on the edges look exactly the same. What are the odds you get a card back where that occurs?

01-12-2019, 01:09 PM	#141
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,935 pingbling23	Op, how long did you own the card. Who did you buy it from. Did you buy it graded or grade yourself.

01-12-2019, 02:52 PM	#143
pgisback Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Seattle Posts: 21,023	What’s crazy is if someone can tell it’s a fake by a simple eBay photo how can PSA not know it’s a fake? *This is if it is indeed fake based on the post earlier

01-12-2019, 05:07 PM	#145
johnyensmith123 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,745	OP, did the buyer say why he thought the card was fake? Maybe ask him why he thought it was even fake to return it?

01-12-2019, 07:12 PM	#146
Springerj23 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Newburgh, IN Posts: 1,499	Pics of the back is all I need to see. I can’t say either is real/fake with the pics provided. Don’t know the story, only read the last page. If someone cracked an 8 that they paid $2K for, they are a blooming idiot... These threads lately with all these returns, makes me not want to sell or buy anything unless it’s through a consignor.

01-12-2019, 07:42 PM	#147
BigZigBoom Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,838	Well, I think the MJ in the PSA slab is a fake. I know that it is possible to crack the old cases, take a card out, and put another one in. I'm pretty sure a guy got busted in Nebraska, recently, for doing this exact same thing with Mickey Mantle cards.

01-13-2019, 12:18 AM	#149
Dontom Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chicago area Posts: 244	Thees are 2 different cards. The arrow by fleer extends much higher on the psa card compared to the loose card. There is also a white printing dot under the "d" on the loose card that is not on the psa card, unless that is dust or something. Lastly the bottom right corner on the psa card has a slight ding and the bottom right corner of the loose card is perfect. The ding on the corner is hard to see unless you really zoom in but it's there. I'm guessing that's the reason it got a 8 because the rest of the card looks really nice.