Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[Acid Dock]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

So the stuff that Blake was talking about yesterday. . . the proverbial shiz hits the fan tomorrow, the stuff he couldn't talk about?

That's my understanding. Might just be the Monday PR numbers but the language he used implies something else. Guess we'll know soon!

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by thenightman

How many fanny packs did BO members buy?

Count me for 1.

I got 1.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I actually find it totally dumbfounding that people are absolutely ignoring this every time it comes up. Seems like a pretty serious problem.

Dude, this thread is 585 pages long. Do you really think we haven't talked about it?

If you're a seller and a buyer tries to return a card months later, talk to ebay. They'll side with you if it's clear they're returning because of a price drop.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by Acid Dock

Yeah I'd like to see some discussion on this as well. If things go south, some people are definitely going to use that 180 day Paypal return window. In the past, I've gone through the trouble of literally recording the process of packing expensive items in the parking lot of my post office and dropping them off (all in one continuous video). The idea of doing that for literally hundreds of cards pains me but I'll absolutely do it if there isn't a better option put forth.

I know people have discussed calling eBay/Paypal customer service as well and explaining the situation (aka the "magical card defect that appears after 3 months") and finding some success in the past. There's also the possibility of selling before the peak (aka getting out early) with the hope that your sold cards exchange hands at least several times after you've sold them (making the return process impossible... a kind of It Follows approach to card returns).

Apologies for brain dumping here! Would appreciate other people's thoughts on the matter.

Too many heads are in the clouds busy counting the money before it's even secured. I wish I knew the answer. Trying to figure it out in the event that a speedy exit is necessary. Right now the best I can come up with is shopping it locally, off eBay (which has a massive number of headaches itself).

[nerdherd020]

Originally Posted by thenightman

How many fanny packs did BO members buy?

Count me for 1.

These guys convinced me to buy one.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mlc3423

You do this to save on shipping....You can get all 6 cards and get 1 flat shipping rate.....This is for people like me who hate smartpost....That's all

Noob question #2 because my last order was smartpost. What's bad about smartpost?

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I believe AlexHunter said she pre-sold at a .10cent loss per card but if you account for multiple card orders, that's a few extra bucks profit.

I dont know you and where your moral compass stands but it's clear that Jake is a trusted professional based on his history in On-line Topps products and it should be clear that he isn't going to disappear with the product and money. Is it possible, sure but highly unlikely. Ultimately, it's on the individual to do the right thing.

I have never and would never presell anything. I only sell when I know I have the item in hand.

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I got 1.

I got five fannies.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Dude, this thread is 585 pages long. Do you really think we haven't talked about it?

If you're a seller and a buyer tries to return a card months later, talk to ebay. They'll side with you if it's clear they're returning because of a price drop.

I'm aware that conversation has been had. That's far from concrete however.

[BOT]

this thread peer pressured me into a fanny

[ObanMontecristo]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Noob question #2 because my last order was smartpost. What's bad about smartpost?

Nothing. It might take a day or two longer, and when Topps is already 3 weeks behind in shipping, what’s the difference

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I'm aware that conversation has been had. That's far from concrete however.

It's an issue that has and will always be a problem. I don't seem to remember it ever being an issue. If you're concerned, sell here.

Personally, I'm not concerned at all.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by BOT

this thread peer pressured me into a fanny

Can you peer pressure yourself, because I know I did.

[MCyganik]

Originally Posted by JVB

Attachment 483469

Why have one fish, when you can have two.

Ooooh I like your abstract addition to my creation. I will give you 10% of my future earnings.

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I got 1.

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I'm aware that conversation has been had. That's far from concrete however.

It's the risk you have to take to play this game. If you're looking for a risk free investment you can buy a CD at a bank.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Too many heads are in the clouds busy counting the money before it's even secured. I wish I knew the answer. Trying to figure it out in the event that a speedy exit is necessary. Right now the best I can come up with is shopping it locally, off eBay (which has a massive number of headaches itself).

If I had a a few hundred grand in project cards right now I would go out of my way to take 25% less to sell in person.

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by Absknicks

I think the Jeter Saladeen card is the next to take off. 9800 print run looks smaller by the day and that card grabs your eye immediately. Could see that hitting $500 in the next 1-2 days.

Taylor Jeter is the same print run and arguably “grabs your eye” even faster.


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[Bob Loblaw]

What's happening with the Tyson beck Gibson? I just got 5 offers in 5 minutes between 275 and 350.

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[baseballbunez]

Originally Posted by Acid Dock

Yeah I'd like to see some discussion on this as well. If things go south, some people are definitely going to use that 180 day Paypal return window. In the past, I've gone through the trouble of literally recording the process of packing expensive items in the parking lot of my post office and dropping them off (all in one continuous video). The idea of doing that for literally hundreds of cards pains me but I'll absolutely do it if there isn't a better option put forth.

I know people have discussed calling eBay/Paypal customer service as well and explaining the situation (aka the "magical card defect that appears after 3 months") and finding some success in the past. There's also the possibility of selling before the peak (aka getting out early) with the hope that your sold cards exchange hands at least several times after you've sold them (making the return process impossible... a kind of It Follows approach to card returns).

Apologies for brain dumping here! Would appreciate other people's thoughts on the matter.

I personally went through all of this on a $2k card only a few months back, so am speaking from experience here.

Had a buyer purchase a card, upon receipt he listed it at significant markup. Let it sit for a month, didn't sell it, and then filed chargeback saying "card looked better in scan than does in person". My listing states no returns, yet eBay approved return immediately and to make it better I had to pay for his return shipping label and provide full refund upon receipt. Spoke to eBay CS and they said doesn't matter he tried to flip, if buyer states not as described it is an instant return approval.

This is what scares me on these prices running up, who is the actual end buyer? Are these prices being eaten up by speculators or collectors buying and tucking away? Either case, if prices wobble, there are going to be returns that are hard to swallow.

[baseballbunez]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Dude, this thread is 585 pages long. Do you really think we haven't talked about it?

If you're a seller and a buyer tries to return a card months later, talk to ebay. They'll side with you if it's clear they're returning because of a price drop.

This is simply wrong, unfortunately.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

It's the risk you have to take to play this game. If you're looking for a risk free investment you can buy a CD at a bank.

Isn't this kind of an ignorant comment? What kind of person who is interested in CDs is in the Project 2020 game? I'm probably one of the least risk-averse people you'll ever meet frankly. Willing to risk it all if the edge to be had is large enough really. It's just not good business to not have thought out the exit strategy though.

[TheWrightStuff]

Originally Posted by thenightman

How many fanny packs did BO members buy?

Count me for 1.

I bought one

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by baseballbunez

This is simply wrong, unfortunately.

Maybe in your case.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If I had a a few hundred grand in project cards right now I would go out of my way to take 25% less to sell in person.

I'm definitely willing to take less to make a deal off of eBay and I think this is going to be the way I go. Just going to be a pain in the ass to find buyers.

[mlc3423]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Noob question #2 because my last order was smartpost. What's bad about smartpost?

Everything.....I could start a new thread and write all the bad things about it but i won't waste my time.....I'm a former USPS worker and for years we had to deal with all the smartpost mail.....Total pain in the ass

I've talked to people who ordered 2020 Bowman 1st Edition boxes that still haven't received theirs and are going to have file claims to get their $ back