2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[oldgoldy97]

My father-in-law worked for the same manufacturing company for thirty years. A couple years before he should have been able to retire, they closed the plant and everyone lost their jobs. So, at age 60, he went back out looking for work. After a couple of years of odd jobs and looking, because really, how attractive is a 60+ year old high school educated white man as a potential employee, he got a job as a school bus driver. A year or so into that, he starts not feeling well. Turns out he has esophogial cancer. Within 8 months he was dead. Luckily for him and my mother-in-law, they were able to get care under the Affordable Care Act. He wasn't turned down and the bills were manageable. So, instead of my MIL being thousands in debt, she was able to pay off the hospital bills and have a very modest funeral. She now lives off of Social Security.

I'm betting these two are SCUM in the eyes of some of you people. If so, God forbid you ever run into trouble in your perfect, narcissistic, hate filled lives.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by callou2131

Race relations certainly have a part to with the president when he makes irresponsible statements without having facts. It started years ago with the "The police acted stupidly" and the beer summit, when the cop did his job to a T. It continued with his statements on Travon Martin, Mike Brown, Freddie gray, and then used a eulogy at 5 officers funerals to play politics.

Violent crime is actually up for the first time in about 40 years.

He is doing nothing to stop isis. He created it by giving a pull out date for Iraq. Hey great idea. Tell the enemy exactly what we are going to do before we do it. We are doing nothing, he is in total denial of the problem.

There are still millions of uninsured. Those that cant afford the insane increases, but make too much to get subsidies cant afford it. Many are just paying the fine, because it is cheaper than healthcare. We changed our entire system and way of life for 10% of the population. Sure, some people are better off, but many many people are much worse off.

Veterans...seriously? You mean like the whole VA scandal where no one was held accountable? Where they are STILL getting bonuses? Where many disabled vets have to pay for their own health care so they dont have to wait 6 months to be seen? VETERANS DIED WAITING AND NO ONE WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE! But then again Valerie Jarrett classified us veterans as "possible terrorists". The military, and law enforcement as a whole, and with very few exceptions have no respect for the CINC.

After doing a quick check, I found this: Dueling Claims on Crime Trend

Research based study. Your information seems to be coming from Trump who frequently states misinformation for fear mongering.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

After doing a quick check, I found this: Dueling Claims on Crime Trend

Research based study. Your information seems to be coming from Trump who frequently states misinformation for fear mongering.

Bah. I'm sure there's a one sided report somewhere that would prove otherwise.

When a good chunk of a party won't even endorse their candidate, that tells me either the candidate is a joke or the party is a joke.

I'd still vote in McCain.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

My father-in-law worked for the same manufacturing company for thirty years. A couple years before he should have been able to retire, they closed the plant and everyone lost their jobs. So, at age 60, he went back out looking for work. After a couple of years of odd jobs and looking, because really, how attractive is a 60+ year old high school educated white man as a potential employee, he got a job as a school bus driver. A year or so into that, he starts not feeling well. Turns out he has esophogial cancer. Within 8 months he was dead. Luckily for him and my mother-in-law, they were able to get care under the Affordable Care Act. He wasn't turned down and the bills were manageable. So, instead of my MIL being thousands in debt, she was able to pay off the hospital bills and have a very modest funeral. She now lives off of Social Security.

I'm betting these two are SCUM in the eyes of some of you people. If so, God forbid you ever run into trouble in your perfect, narcissistic, hate filled lives.

I was in a very similar situation with my grandmother, but she was 67 and retired due to health issues. She was dead within 3 months.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Bah. I'm sure there's a one sided report somewhere that would prove otherwise.

When a good chunk of a party won't even endorse their candidate, that tells me either the candidate is a joke or the party is a joke.

I'd still vote in McCain.

It's sad that the GOP has come to this. In the last 20 years, their party as a whole, has gone down the tubes. Even though, I was too young for the Reagan presidency and looking back in history, he was a solid president (minus my self-interest union busting and the Iran Contra debacle). He kept us out of war when the Cold War was pretty intense.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

-Race relations cannot be controlled by our President. The police vs. civilians are on the individuals.

-I do not know much about the crime and murder rate except that Chicago and cities in NJ are wild. Please provide data for the 50 cities.

-Unfortunately, President Obama did underestimate ISIS. I think he knows his mistake and he is actively trying stop it now by sending in special operation forces to Syria and other terrorist havens.

-There will always be someone upset with their current healthcare. The thing is, many people now have insurance when they didn't before. IMHO, everyone should have basic rights and that includes healthcare even if it costs me more money. I have fantastic healthcare but I pay a portion for it. My rates increased but I am okay with it. No one, poor or rich, should be denied.

-Veterans have been given better support with Obama. Like I stated before, it is not enough. Veterans should be given good, free medical coverage for life (unless their employer provides it), higher pay when actively serving, and better psychological healthcare when they leave and become a civilian again.

Look into Veterans admin scandal lol

President is the number one spokesman and can be very influential when it comes to race relations

The number on top 50 cities ... Violent crimes / murders up 17%

His admin called ISIS the JV team

You are not well informed in the economy numbers either

Funny you couldn't even say what Obama accomplished other than either stuff where facts proved you wrong (economy numbers, crimes numbers, VA scandal) or justifying what he couldn't accomplish but wanted to accomplish but couldn't due to Congress.

Obama made race relations and relations with law enforcement so much worse during his term with the way he responded after several shootings

Great job cleaning up the violence in the streets of Chicago too Obama. Guess you didn't accomplish your goal that you told many of us at your rally on 2007-08.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

After doing a quick check, I found this: Dueling Claims on Crime Trend

Research based study. Your information seems to be coming from Trump who frequently states misinformation for fear mongering.

You asked about the cities. In many large cities, Crime is shooting up. We are talking the last few years. I notice your study only shows from 1991 which was the biggest era for Crack related crime, to only 2012. Show one from 2012 to 2016. Crack is all but gone now, showing a huge downturn of gang and turf related murders.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by preakness

Look into Veterans admin scandal lol

President is the number one spokesman and can be very influential when it comes to race relations

The number on top 50 cities ... Violent crimes / murders up 17%

His admin called ISIS the JV team

You are not wel informed in the economy numbed either

Are you drunk or just having a hard time spelling today?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by callou2131

You asked about the cities. In many large cities, Crime is shooting up. We are talking the last few years. I notice your study only shows from 1991 which was the biggest era for Crack related crime, to only 2012. Show one from 2012 to 2016. Crack is all but gone now, showing a huge downturn of gang and turf related murders.

"To take a longer view of murders in major cities, we compiled the FBI city-specific data, which are available through 2012, and more recent 2015 numbers reported by police departments to the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association for the cities Obama and Trump mentioned, as well as others highlighted in the Times reports. Every city shows a “huge drop,” as Obama said, from the early 1990s, and mixed movement from 2012 to 2015." - (factcheck.org)

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[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Has anyone taken a look at the emails from Wiki Leaks DNC release today.

Should make for an awesome convention!

It is funny that no one has quoted this. Bernie Sanders fans are pissed. Do you think Sanders will pull his support for Clinton now?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by preakness

Look into Veterans admin scandal lol

President is the number one spokesman and can be very influential when it comes to race relations

The number on top 50 cities ... Violent crimes / murders up 17%

His admin called ISIS the JV team

You are not wel informed in the economy numbed either

Like I stated before, Obama was wrong on ISIS but is now getting it right. I remember Bush once said, "Mission Accomplished" and then thousands more lives were lost.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by preakness

Look into Veterans admin scandal lol

President is the number one spokesman and can be very influential when it comes to race relations

The number on top 50 cities ... Violent crimes / murders up 17%

His admin called ISIS the JV team

You are not wel informed in the economy numbed either

In regards to the economy, remember when Obama first took office? My portfolio took a beating. Now...well....let's say it is doubled.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Are you drunk or just having a hard time spelling today?

Typing while skimming the pool

[TheHeel]

And with all that being said....I am out to enjoy the day. Peace out!

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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

It is funny that no one has quoted this. Bernie Sanders fans are pissed. Do you think Sanders will pull his support for Clinton now?

It just confirms what we knew all along anyways. Ask Jdan and he'll tell you there's no proof

The liberal media will never say a word about it anyways it'll get no coverage and forgotten

[callou2131]

Sure it has. Quantitative easing aka Bernanke pumping billions and billions of funny money into the market will do that. Your own chart that you posted proved my point. Murders in the majority of those cities over the last 2 years have gone up, in some case way up, and this year is averaging even worse.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

In regards to the economy, remember when Obama first took office? My portfolio took a beating. Now...well....let's say it is doubled.

Your portfolio took a beating because of the housing crisis, which both bush and McCain warned Congress about in regards to Freddie and fanny. They didn't want to hear it though. Housing was up! Just no one could afford their loans.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

In regards to the economy, remember when Obama first took office? My portfolio took a beating. Now...well....let's say it is doubled.

The economy and the stock market are 2 entirely different things.

[CoolG]

Originally Posted by carlo16

The economy and the stock market are 2 entirely different things.

Exactly agree


Barack Obama will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by carlo16

The economy and the stock market are 2 entirely different things.

The stock market is DIRECTLY tied to the economy though. No confidence in the economy means a bum market.

Economy bad = Stock Market bad
Economy good = Stock Market good

[preakness]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

"To take a longer view of murders in major cities, we compiled the FBI city-specific data, which are available through 2012, and more recent 2015 numbers reported by police departments to the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association for the cities Obama and Trump mentioned, as well as others highlighted in the Times reports. Every city shows a “huge drop,” as Obama said, from the early 1990s, and mixed movement from 2012 to 2015." - (factcheck.org)

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Most recent report that both CNN and Fox News agree are accurate is violent crimes / murders up 17% in top 50 cities. Some reported that crime was down in USA but both outlets admitted those positive numbers don't represent true numbers in what's happening in major cities

Also check out the nearly doubled deficit

Check out the increase in food stamps

Check out the average wage numbers the unskilled laborers in major cities (yet they will continue to vote Democratic because the welfare will keep them
content)

[preakness]

Not sure the Chicago numbers above are accurate

Numbers even more ridiculous if you look at shootings in general in Chicago

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The stock market is DIRECTLY tied to the economy though. No confidence in the economy means a bum market.

Economy bad = Stock Market bad
Economy good = Stock Market good

While they do have a correlation you are drastically overstating their relationship with one another especially in the days since quantitative easing.

[CoolG]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The stock market is DIRECTLY tied to the economy though. No confidence in the economy means a bum market.

Economy bad = Stock Market bad
Economy good = Stock Market good

Most savy investors would disagree

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...t-the-economy/

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/494038

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by preakness

Most recent report that both CNN and Fox News agree are accurate is violent crimes / murders up 17% in top 50 cities. Some reported that crime was down in USA but both outlets admitted those positive numbers don't represent true numbers in what's happening in major cities

Also check out the nearly doubled deficit

Check out the increase in food stamps

Check out the average wage numbers the unskilled laborers in major cities (yet they will continue to vote Democratic because the welfare will keep them
content)

While you're right about violent crimes increasing as a whole, the increases were most drastic in areas with less than 10,000 people (17%) than they were in the areas with over 1 million (12%).

The other side of the token is that even with the increased percentage from 2014-15, the number of murders was so small to begin with that it shouldn't be a concern to anyone.

If there were 10 murders one year and 12 the following year that's a 20% jump, which sounds scary but going from 10 to 12 murders shouldn't make people feel unsafe. The violent crime rate is still historically EXTREMELY low.