***The Official New York Yankees Thread***

[JRX]

Looking at bbref, only Judge and Gleyber have and OPS+ above 100. Rizzo is technically 101, but that's awful for your first baseman. And in the rotation only Cole has an ERA+ over 100. The team just stinks. DJ is as bad as Volpe. The only guy that may get some sort of return is Gleyber.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Here comes the “blow it up talk”. You guys sound suicidal after half a bad season in the last 30 years. How will your fandom go when they’re bad for 5-6 years? Go look at Yankee highlights from the Don Mattingly years and see the empty seats.

I was there.

I've been there for 45-50 years.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by JRX

There's nothing to really blow up as they don't have anything to trade. Nobody is going to take Stanton, of DJ, or before he got hurt Donaldson. They're stuck. The only way out of this is to spend even more to cover up the deficiencies they shouldn't have or try to do patchwork moves until the long term deals expire.

Correct. Only way out is to spend more on top players or get real lucky in a trade

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[marl1220]

So. Are we at the point where we say the Yankees are not a competitive team without Judge? The Rays don't have Judge. The Red Sox don't have Judge. The Jays don't have Judge. The Orioles don't have Judge. The Marlins, Brewers, Reds, and Giants don't have Judge. Yet they all have better records than the Yankees. What does this tell us about this team and how they are run?

[JRX]

Well those teams don't have Stanton through 2027, DJ through 2026, Rodon through 2028. Cole can actually opt out after 2024. Probably think he will if Uncle Stevie is still paying 43M a year to pitchers. This team is stuck with dead wood for a long time.

[marl1220]

I'm watching The Kay Show and they brought up a perfect point which goes with one of my previous posts. They mentioned the Kahnle incident last night and how Boone felt the need to address it. But then they mentioned how Bader loafed his way to first the other night (and I like Bader) but nothing was said. What that tells me is that Boone is OK with players mailing it in/quitting but he has an issue with them getting pissed off when they should be pissed off. This is a HUGE problem. I've been on the fence in regards to Boone but this makes me want to see him go. The Yanks don't need this kind of loser mentality from their manager. They need someone more like Paul O'neill. There's someone that would light a fire under their ass and get in their face.

Well, Maybe not Paul. But you get my point.

[cspaced25]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Here comes the “blow it up talk”. You guys sound suicidal after half a bad season in the last 30 years. How will your fandom go when they’re bad for 5-6 years? Go look at Yankee highlights from the Don Mattingly years and see the empty seats.

They need to blow up Cashman, Boone, and a lot of others within the organization. New regime, new back office staff, new ideas and thoughts, change it all. THAT they can blow up. The players and contracts they are stuck with.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I'm watching The Kay Show and they brought up a perfect point which goes with one of my previous posts. They mentioned the Kahnle incident last night and how Boone felt the need to address it. But then they mentioned how Bader loafed his way to first the other night (and I like Bader) but nothing was said. What that tells me is that Boone is OK with players mailing it in/quitting but he has an issue with them getting pissed off when they should be pissed off. This is a HUGE problem. I've been on the fence in regards to Boone but this makes me want to see him go. The Yanks don't need this kind of loser mentality from their manager. They need someone more like Paul O'neill. There's someone that would light a fire under their ass and get in their face.

Well, Maybe not Paul. But you get my point.

I think it all stems from them firing Girardi and wanting to make the players feel safe or loved or whatever they're going for.

[marl1220]

And guaranteed contracts. All this money with no production. It must be nice to get paid and not produce anything.

[mantlefan7]

I’ve never watched the Carton Show before, but I caught a segment a bit ago that said Ohtani is having reps tell teams that he will only sign an extension with a team in California. Maybe put to bed the ridiculous rumors about Ohtani in NY.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by mantlefan7

I’ve never watched the Carton Show before, but I caught a segment a bit ago that said Ohtani is having reps tell teams that he will only sign an extension with a team in California. Maybe put to bed the ridiculous rumors about Ohtani in NY.

This is what I have expected all along.

[JRX]

I liked craig on the radio, but I know better than to trust anything he says.

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[marl1220]

I was just watching the Padres / Jay game on MLB and it helped me put things in perspective. I guess we can be happy we're not Padres fans. To have Machado, Tatis Jr., Soto, and Bogaerts and be last in their division with a 46 and 51 record ??????

Now that SUCKS!

[JRX]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I was just watching the Padres / Jay game on MLB and it helped me put things in perspective. I guess we can be happy we're not Padres fans. To have Machado, Tatis Jr., Soto, and Bogaerts and be last in their division with a 46 and 51 record ??????

Now that SUCKS!

Did the rockies get realigned?

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[mantlefan7]

Originally Posted by JRX

I liked craig on the radio, but I know better than to trust anything he says.

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I figured as much, but he’s a Dodger next year. Maybe Padres if they trade Soto?

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I'm watching The Kay Show and they brought up a perfect point which goes with one of my previous posts. They mentioned the Kahnle incident last night and how Boone felt the need to address it. But then they mentioned how Bader loafed his way to first the other night (and I like Bader) but nothing was said. What that tells me is that Boone is OK with players mailing it in/quitting but he has an issue with them getting pissed off when they should be pissed off. This is a HUGE problem. I've been on the fence in regards to Boone but this makes me want to see him go. The Yanks don't need this kind of loser mentality from their manager. They need someone more like Paul O'neill. There's someone that would light a fire under their ass and get in their face.



Well, Maybe not Paul. But you get my point.

Maybe he addressed it cuz he was pissed at Cabrera for not going all out on that fly ball

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[ottobord]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Here comes the “blow it up talk”. You guys sound suicidal after half a bad season in the last 30 years. How will your fandom go when they’re bad for 5-6 years? Go look at Yankee highlights from the Don Mattingly years and see the empty seats.

Thank you for this, my fondest memories were the empty seat years. Now it's like a hotel.

[Thetruthisout]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I was there.

I've been there for 45-50 years.

Yes!!!

I've been there 61 years. I've seen the best of the Yankees and the worst.

They still have a chance at the wild card, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

The team simply stinks.

Gleyber has failed to adjust (two years now) to the adjustments pitchers challenged him with.

DJ has lost his stroke. My gut tells me he won't get it back.

I was never jacked on Volpe, as much as I hope he improves.

Hitting coaches can only do so much.

There's really not much to say as their record and declining play says it all.

[Zauron]

Honestly, as an outsider looking in, the whole roster stinks/underperforming. Some god awful contracts that will hurt in Stanton and Rodon it looks like for awhile.

[JRX]

Well there's no good fa other than Ohtani, so guess we'll be running it back.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

They basically have 136m a year locked up in Judge, Stanton, Cole, Rodon. That's why Cashman should be fired. Right now the Dodgers have 57m a year in Betts and Freeman. Even adding Ohtani, they'd be at say 107m for those 3. The Yankees have no payroll flexibility.

The Yankees are the richest team in the MLB. They have plenty of payroll flexibility, but Hal is a cheap skate. He really is Manfred 2.0. One wants to destroy the sport and the other wants to destroy the winningest franchise in the history of the sport.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by marl1220

So. Are we at the point where we say the Yankees are not a competitive team without Judge? The Rays don't have Judge. The Red Sox don't have Judge. The Jays don't have Judge. The Orioles don't have Judge. The Marlins, Brewers, Reds, and Giants don't have Judge. Yet they all have better records than the Yankees. What does this tell us about this team and how they are run?

I don't know why the offense cant hit without Judge in it. Maybe this offensive slide would have happened even if Judge was in the lineup because let's face it, DJ, Stanton, Rizzo, SS, LF, and C all can't hit.

The Rays are finally falling back to earth and getting crushed as I predicted and got tons of heat for in the Rays thread early on. They are not a great team like was happening on the field early on and they are proving that now.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I'm watching The Kay Show and they brought up a perfect point which goes with one of my previous posts. They mentioned the Kahnle incident last night and how Boone felt the need to address it. But then they mentioned how Bader loafed his way to first the other night (and I like Bader) but nothing was said. What that tells me is that Boone is OK with players mailing it in/quitting but he has an issue with them getting pissed off when they should be pissed off. This is a HUGE problem. I've been on the fence in regards to Boone but this makes me want to see him go. The Yanks don't need this kind of loser mentality from their manager. They need someone more like Paul O'neill. There's someone that would light a fire under their ass and get in their face.

Well, Maybe not Paul. But you get my point.

Not just that, but Boone has called out Torres for loafing it to first before. I believe he actually benched him a game because of it. He is showing very bad management by picking and choosing which employees he calls and and allows others to do the same thing. If that was a regular job, he'd be wide open for a legitimate HR complaint.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

I think it all stems from them firing Girardi and wanting to make the players feel safe or loved or whatever they're going for.

Torre was still the best manager. They should have never let him go.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by marl1220

And guaranteed contracts. All this money with no production. It must be nice to get paid and not produce anything.

Some of these Yankee players remind me of a lot of the Government employees I've work with throughout the years.