✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 574

deemsterz33 · 07-26-2023, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by callou2131

So I have a lot of Ohtani rookies, nothing great, base, update etc. If you were gonna spend 300-400 on one rookie which one would you get?

I'd consider putting in an offer on the Bowman Platinum Variation that just hit eBay yesterday. Doesn't have the pedigree of other brands, but it's still a nice looking card that doesn't come up for sale often. Based on POP reports, I'm guessing a print run of <250. Sometimes it's nice to have a card that not everyone has.

Trueblue · 07-26-2023, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

Game postponed today due to rain...bummer. Watching Sandy Alcantara toss a 97 pitch CG W today makes me wish Sho would take a page from his book on the mound.

Not fond of that as it leaves a double header on Thursday with Shohei pitching day after. Maybe he will be more fatigued and relaxed? I don't know.

hammertime · 07-26-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I'd consider putting in an offer on the Bowman Platinum Variation that just hit eBay yesterday. Doesn't have the pedigree of other brands, but it's still a nice looking card that doesn't come up for sale often. Based on POP reports, I'm guessing a print run of <250. Sometimes it's nice to have a card that not everyone has.

Great card! I love my fine 9!

hammertime · 07-26-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Not fond of that as it leaves a double header on Thursday with Shohei pitching day after. Maybe he will be more fatigued and relaxed? I don't know.

I'd say maybe they'll sit him for game 2 on Thursday but he probably won't like that.

Trueblue · 07-26-2023, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

I'd say maybe they'll sit him for game 2 on Thursday but he probably won't like that.

Depends how much time he spends on the bases I guess. Let's hope he hits a homer first swing for half his ABs

hammertime · 07-26-2023, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Depends how much time he spends on the bases I guess. Let's hope he hits a homer first swing for half his ABs

I like that plan much better!

Trueblue · 07-26-2023, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CardGlory

In my experience, this is definitely the case. More often than not, they do not upcarge me when I expect it. And when they do, it's less than I thought it would be.

I don't doubt some people have had bad experiences but the nature of the internet - complainers are loud, while people who had good experiences are not - I think gives the false impression PSA is some horrible company that screws up constantly.

Most of the time it is correct and I happily pay it. These cases usually have comps that are straightforward and undeniably obvious.

They however can be defensive and myopic when there are no comps. I sub a lot of rare autos and /5s, /1s. They choose a stance and dig their heels into the sand. That's the problem I have. That said, I have had three encounters where they heard me out and waived the upcharge. So yes, it is possible for them to be reasonable in the absence of comps. They need a more transparent methodology in the absence of recent comps or should not upcharge at all, imo.

The supervisor associate I mentioned is another story though. While PSA is a big company, it only takes one person like that to erode a decade+ of trust.

oddstuff · 07-26-2023, 04:15 PM

That person needs to be fired...unbelievable that was attempted. Surprise there isn't some sort of employment policy against that.

anusinha · 07-26-2023, 04:24 PM

Ohtani going to pitch game 1 tomorrow and hit both games.

Angels insiders are hinting that they won't trade him and will go all in this year.

Trueblue · 07-26-2023, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Ohtani going to pitch game 1 tomorrow and hit both games.

Angels insiders are hinting that they won't trade him and will go all in this year.

Awesome! I hope it doesn't disrupt his routine!

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Originally Posted by oddstuff

That person needs to be fired...unbelievable that was attempted. Surprise there isn't some sort of employment policy against that.

Hey, if somebody wants to bump it to higher ups like Nat, I'll take it past the one yard line to corroborate the story. If a guy like that was in my organization, I would blast him then fire him. Huge liability.

jhssketchcards · 07-26-2023, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Ohtani going to pitch game 1 tomorrow and hit both games.

Angels insiders are hinting that they won't trade him and will go all in this year.

Enjoy the offseason

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oddstuff · 07-26-2023, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Awesome! Hey, if somebody wants to bump it to higher ups like Nat, I'll take it past the one yard line to corroborate the story. If a guy like that was in my organization, I would blast him then fire him. Huge liability.

Will see if Nat checks his messages.

seanrs1 · 07-26-2023, 05:03 PM

I am of the opinion that Ohtani not being traded is the best thing for his performance this year. However, if the Angels get into the playoffs he may just resign with them, and I think it would be better for his career if he joined a team like the Dodgers.

hammertime · 07-26-2023, 05:16 PM

If I was trying to give the most generous interpretation of the events I can possibly conceive of I'd say the guy was offering to cover the upcharge himself and find a creative solution to the problem, but even if that's true it's still incredibly inappropriate and unprofessional, and the fact that he's apparently a supervisor is doubly concerning.

And I agree that upcharges should only occur when there's a straightforward, obvious, recent apples-to-apples comp. If they're doing hand-waving or assuming anything that's completely ridiculous IMO.

hammertime · 07-26-2023, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am of the opinion that Ohtani not being traded is the best thing for his performance this year. However, if the Angels get into the playoffs he may just resign with them, and I think it would be better for his career if he joined a team like the Dodgers.

I agree I'd like to see him finish the year with the Angels, but I feel like he's already halfway out the door after the season. Sure they've made a push this year but there's no reason to believe they'll continue to try this hard after they've locked him up to a long-term deal.

HunterConnorMom · 07-26-2023, 05:44 PM

It could depend upon upcoming series vs Blue Jays. If they sweep, they will not trade him. But if they get swept, then looking at ~7 games out of last wild card spot. Should be an exciting week!

cbeauch87 · 07-26-2023, 07:40 PM

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1684355822585778176

Shohei is allegedly OFF the trade market.

jmcca170 · 07-26-2023, 07:42 PM

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premium1981 · 07-26-2023, 07:53 PM

And that’s why the Angels have sucked and will continue to suck. Such bad management and decision making. They will regret this big time.

fulltritty · 07-26-2023, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

And that’s why the Angels have sucked and will continue to suck. Such bad management and decision making. They will regret this big time.

That's what they said on ESPN during the Atlanta-Boston game. The consensus is they won't trade him, he'll walk in the off season, and the Angels will lose big time.

hammertime · 07-26-2023, 08:20 PM

Not surprised. At least this clears the way for another MVP!

jhssketchcards · 07-26-2023, 08:26 PM

In hopes of reaching the playoffs, and one and done

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jhssketchcards · 07-26-2023, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

Not surprised. At least this clears the way for another MVP!

I actually do agree with this. It’s his all the way

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anusinha · 07-26-2023, 08:33 PM

Apparently all the offers were complete garbage, if that's the case you might as well keep him.

zworykin · 07-26-2023, 08:42 PM

How many teams were really going to blow up their future just to get him for the rest of this season? Even if you're one of the teams in the running to be able to sign him long-term, why not just wait and get him as a free agent? (Potential counter-argument I've heard, maybe he's more willing to sign long-term with you if you trade for him now; obvious response, why on earth would he sign long-term with you after you just blew up your roster/farm system to get him?)

07-26-2023, 08:26 PM	#14347
jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,295 jhssketchcards2012	✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ In hopes of reaching the playoffs, and one and done Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-26-2023, 04:15 PM	#14333
oddstuff Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: CA Posts: 5,030	That person needs to be fired...unbelievable that was attempted. Surprise there isn't some sort of employment policy against that.

07-26-2023, 04:24 PM	#14334
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,376	Ohtani going to pitch game 1 tomorrow and hit both games. Angels insiders are hinting that they won't trade him and will go all in this year.

07-26-2023, 05:03 PM	#14338
seanrs1 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,699	I am of the opinion that Ohtani not being traded is the best thing for his performance this year. However, if the Angels get into the playoffs he may just resign with them, and I think it would be better for his career if he joined a team like the Dodgers.

07-26-2023, 05:16 PM	#14339
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,506	If I was trying to give the most generous interpretation of the events I can possibly conceive of I'd say the guy was offering to cover the upcharge himself and find a creative solution to the problem, but even if that's true it's still incredibly inappropriate and unprofessional, and the fact that he's apparently a supervisor is doubly concerning. And I agree that upcharges should only occur when there's a straightforward, obvious, recent apples-to-apples comp. If they're doing hand-waving or assuming anything that's completely ridiculous IMO.

07-26-2023, 05:44 PM	#14341
HunterConnorMom Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 491	It could depend upon upcoming series vs Blue Jays. If they sweep, they will not trade him. But if they get swept, then looking at ~7 games out of last wild card spot. Should be an exciting week!

07-26-2023, 07:40 PM	#14342
cbeauch87 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Washington Posts: 983	https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1684355822585778176 Shohei is allegedly OFF the trade market.

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jmcca170 Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 803	Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-26-2023, 07:53 PM	#14344
premium1981 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 10,940	And that’s why the Angels have sucked and will continue to suck. Such bad management and decision making. They will regret this big time.

07-26-2023, 08:20 PM	#14346
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,506	Not surprised. At least this clears the way for another MVP!

07-26-2023, 08:33 PM	#14349
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,376	Apparently all the offers were complete garbage, if that's the case you might as well keep him.

07-26-2023, 08:42 PM	#14350
zworykin Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,048 zworykin2	How many teams were really going to blow up their future just to get him for the rest of this season? Even if you're one of the teams in the running to be able to sign him long-term, why not just wait and get him as a free agent? (Potential counter-argument I've heard, maybe he's more willing to sign long-term with you if you trade for him now; obvious response, why on earth would he sign long-term with you after you just blew up your roster/farm system to get him?)