**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[REGGIE206]

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

I heard Reggie from here bought it. He's now sleeping on the couch with one eye open.

LOL! I think Mike Trout bought it.. haha

[Cigarsmoke23]

Trout on a bit of a slump the last few games. Noticed the strikeouts are piling up as well. Do love that he is going after it though.

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[ToddW]

Yeah- he has been in a slump. And lots of those Ks are looking with men on base/in scoring position. That high strike has been getting him a lot lately.

In other news, have been able to pick up some pretty rare older cards- just waiting on the delivery. Lots of stuff seems to have been surfacing lately.

[tconte]

Mike needs to drop some lbs.

[BTownCards]

That baby weight haha. Nice one !


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[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by ToddW

Yeah- he has been in a slump. And lots of those Ks are looking with men on base/in scoring position. That high strike has been getting him a lot lately.

In other news, have been able to pick up some pretty rare older cards- just waiting on the delivery. Lots of stuff seems to have been surfacing lately.

I've also noticed an increase in rare older Trout cards.

Are people selling out? Is this slump causing panic selling?

He slumps every year, it happens yearly

[ToddW]

I don’t think it’s a slump as much as it is people cashing in at or about his prime years. As long as they aren’t asking for the moon, it creates opportunities.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by ToddW

I don’t think it’s a slump as much as it is people cashing in at or about his prime years. As long as they aren’t asking for the moon, it creates opportunities.

It's definitely worrying and it's not something that happens every year despite what was said earlier. This season he's been worse offensively than any single month in 2018 or 2019. His walk rate has been cut in over half which is the scariest part. K's up significantly.

All that leads to Trout being mostly out of the national conversation. It's all Tatis, Soto, Mookie etc. Trout has never not been at the top of every baseball conversation for the last 8 seasons. This is new territory for him. That matters in the card market. I've said elsewhere but what's unique about this year's card hype market is the guys at the top, Tatis and Soto are probably the two best players in the game at this moment. Last year Acuna and Soto were nowhere close to the best, Trout was miles better than either of them.

Trout has been so consistently good that everyone has always wondered when he'll start to decline. I don't believe this is it but you can bet that going be a topic brought up in the offseason if he finishes a season where he was about the 15th best player in baseball and his plate discipline drops off the table

[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by BBases31

It's definitely worrying and it's not something that happens every year despite what was said earlier. This season he's been worse offensively than any single month in 2018 or 2019. His walk rate has been cut in over half which is the scariest part. K's up significantly.

All that leads to Trout being mostly out of the national conversation. It's all Tatis, Soto, Mookie etc. Trout has never not been at the top of every baseball conversation for the last 8 seasons. This is new territory for him. That matters in the card market. I've said elsewhere but what's unique about this year's card hype market is the guys at the top, Tatis and Soto are probably the two best players in the game at this moment. Last year Acuna and Soto were nowhere close to the best, Trout was miles better than either of them.

Trout has been so consistently good that everyone has always wondered when he'll start to decline. I don't believe this is it but you can bet that going be a topic brought up in the offseason if he finishes a season where he was about the 15th best player in baseball and his plate discipline drops off the table

Once you have your first child .. everything changes .. what you thought was most important now takes a back seat .. Baseball is now 2nd to the goat ..he will adjust hopefully but probably not this year.


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[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

It's definitely worrying and it's not something that happens every year despite what was said earlier. This season he's been worse offensively than any single month in 2018 or 2019. His walk rate has been cut in over half which is the scariest part. K's up significantly.

All that leads to Trout being mostly out of the national conversation. It's all Tatis, Soto, Mookie etc. Trout has never not been at the top of every baseball conversation for the last 8 seasons. This is new territory for him. That matters in the card market. I've said elsewhere but what's unique about this year's card hype market is the guys at the top, Tatis and Soto are probably the two best players in the game at this moment. Last year Acuna and Soto were nowhere close to the best, Trout was miles better than either of them.

Trout has been so consistently good that everyone has always wondered when he'll start to decline. I don't believe this is it but you can bet that going be a topic brought up in the offseason if he finishes a season where he was about the 15th best player in baseball and his plate discipline drops off the table

His average exit velocity (93mph) is the highest it's been in the last 5 years. His hard hit% (50.7%) is the highest it's been in the last 5 years. His xBA is .300, which is right around where it's been the last 5 years (.303, .308, .298, .295, .310). His xSLG is the 2nd highest it's been in the last 5 years.

Sure, his K% is up and BB% is down. But can we please stop with the sky is falling nonsense for Mike Trout

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Geoff G

Once you have your first child .. everything changes .. what you thought was most important now takes a back seat .. Baseball is now 2nd to the goat ..he will adjust hopefully but probably not this year.


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I don't get it. He raked when he came back, and everyone attributed it to him being a new Dad.

[Chrisyork33]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

His average exit velocity (93mph) is the highest it's been in the last 5 years. His hard hit% (50.7%) is the highest it's been in the last 5 years. His xBA is .300, which is right around where it's been the last 5 years (.303, .308, .298, .295, .310). His xSLG is the 2nd highest it's been in the last 5 years.

Sure, his K% is up and BB% is down. But can we please stop with the sky is falling nonsense for Mike Trout

He would be on pace for 55 HRs/140 RBIs if this was a full season.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

His average exit velocity (93mph) is the highest it's been in the last 5 years. His hard hit% (50.7%) is the highest it's been in the last 5 years. His xBA is .300, which is right around where it's been the last 5 years (.303, .308, .298, .295, .310). His xSLG is the 2nd highest it's been in the last 5 years.

Sure, his K% is up and BB% is down. But can we please stop with the sky is falling nonsense for Mike Trout

Lol at the casual dismissal of his walk rate going from 18.3% to 8.8% and K rate from 20% to 25.4%. It's a gargantuan change. He's hitting the ball harder but if he's whiffing and not patient enough it doesn't matter. He can't win an MVP with that type of plate discipline and that's the part of the hitting profile that is supposed to age the best. Trout's expectation is best player in the game, hands down, unquestionably. If he comes in below that, it's not good for his cards.

[sportscards03]

He needs to have another baby soon so he can go on another homer binge!

[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by rman112

I don't get it. He raked when he came back, and everyone attributed it to him being a new Dad.

It takes a month or so .. not much to bond with when baby is stuck on mom 24/7 for the first month ..but once the bond is there with dad nothing else matters .. but I could be wrong .. just my opinion ..


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[rman112]

Originally Posted by Geoff G

It takes a month or so .. not much to bond with when baby is stuck on mom 24/7 for the first month ..but once the bond is there with dad nothing else matters .. but I could be wrong .. just my opinion ..


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If he gets hot again, is that because he's a new Dad, too? It can't be every which way.

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol at the casual dismissal of his walk rate going from 18.3% to 8.8% and K rate from 20% to 25.4%. It's a gargantuan change. He's hitting the ball harder but if he's whiffing and not patient enough it doesn't matter. He can't win an MVP with that type of plate discipline and that's the part of the hitting profile that is supposed to age the best. Trout's expectation is best player in the game, hands down, unquestionably. If he comes in below that, it's not good for his cards.

Trout's Whiff% in 2020 is 20.9%. Here's his Whiff% since 2015:
2015 - 22.0%
2016 - 20.7%
2017 - 18.2%
2018 - 18.6%
2019 - 19.2%
2020 - 20.9%

His career Whiff% is 20.0%

Again, can we please stop with the sky is falling nonsense

[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by rman112

If he gets hot again, is that because he's a new Dad, too? It can't be every which way.

Why can’t it be? He can come down from the new daddy pink cloud high euphoria and then get back to business with even more of a reason to solidify his goat status .. why’s it gotta be black and white?


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[rman112]

Originally Posted by Geoff G

Why can’t it be? He can come down from the new daddy pink cloud high euphoria and then get back to business with even more of a reason to solidify his goat status .. why’s it gotta be black and white?


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I get what you're saying. But him being a new Dad can now be used as the reason for anything Trout does now.. good or bad. Just too convenient. He's not exactly the first player to become a new Dad, either.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Trout's Whiff% in 2020 is 20.9%. Here's his Whiff% since 2015:
2015 - 22.0%
2016 - 20.7%
2017 - 18.2%
2018 - 18.6%
2019 - 19.2%
2020 - 20.9%

His career Whiff% is 20.0%

Again, can we please stop with the sky is falling nonsense

Just ignore that catastrophic walk rate drop . Swing and miss /= Strikeout % and Strikeout% is obviously more important. If the Whiff % has only risen slightly that means he's not seeing the ball as well and taking more called strikes. Swinging at bad pitches and not swinging at good pitches is no bueno. He'll probably turn it around but you can't ignore the reality of what's happening

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Just ignore that catastrophic walk rate drop . Swing and miss /= Strikeout % and Strikeout% is obviously more important. If the Whiff % has only risen slightly that means he's not seeing the ball as well and taking more called strikes. Swinging at bad pitches and not swinging at good pitches is no bueno. He'll probably turn it around but you can't ignore the reality of what's happening

https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/s...62571438645251

And here's the answer to your walk rate drop point. If he's seeing more strikes he simply can't walk

[BTownCards]

It isn’t a weird year or anything at all...I mean look at some of these names.
McRib OBPS AVG leaders





There is no time for correction in 60 game season so you may have an Abreu or something as MVP if he keeps it up. Personally, if trout did win another mvp this season, all the haters would just add it to their ammo. Again, this season really means nothing ! But for the few on this list, it matters I guess.


I’m sure the new highlight of his day is FaceTime with momma and his little dude. I’m just happy he chose to play this year for whatever that’s worth, probably millions to him .

But it’s good to be a Trout fan and a micro collector of his in here with some of the big dogs. Let’s all just take what we can get for entertainments sake, be patient and I bet you an absolute monster shows up in the future and for years to come. Imagine the things he will do when the kid is watching the Kiiiiiiiiiid !


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/s...62571438645251

And here's the answer to your walk rate drop point. If he's seeing more strikes he simply can't walk

If he simply can't walk at the rate he used to, the MVPs are gone. That's the point. This is actually more concerning as the reason behind what I was posting

[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by rman112

I get what you're saying. But him being a new Dad can now be used as the reason for anything Trout does now.. good or bad. Just too convenient. He's not exactly the first player to become a new Dad, either.

I’m just saying if there is a slump that is out of the norm it could be contributed to him being a new dad .. I wouldn’t contribute a hot streak because the dude Rakes and goes on hot streaks all the time, that’s not abnormal. But it could be the start of a decline also .. I doubt it .. I think we still have yet to see the best of trout for some reason.


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[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

If he simply can't walk at the rate he used to, the MVPs are gone. That's the point. This is actually more concerning as the reason behind what I was posting

We're just going to have to agree to disagree then