✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Yes, because the V stands for 'valuable,' not 'led individual categories.' Hope that helps.

I’m talking about pitching. He’s not a CY caliber pitcher this year at 7-5 with 3.5 ERA. He has a losing record against wining teams and a winning record against losing teams. As a hitter he’s amazing and very much worthy of the AL MVP. He will never win a CY because he doesn’t pitch enough games or unless he just goes on a tear and beats playoff caliber opponents.


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[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

For those closely following the market what is baked into current Ohtani prices? That he stays healthy and wins MVP? At this point I am wondering what would move his prices up more? 63HR? Being traded to a contender? Winning a WS after being traded to a contender? Thoughts?

The fact that he is the most unique talent the game has seen and when its said and done he will have a lot of "only player to..." type statements attributed to his name

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

He didn't lead in a single hitting or pitching stat last year other than Ks per 9 and many in here still claim he was robbed of an MVP by Judge.

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I’m talking about pitching. He’s not a CY caliber pitcher this year at 7-5 with 3.5 ERA. He has a losing record against wining teams and a winning record against losing teams. As a hitter he’s amazing and very much worthy of the AL MVP. He will never win a CY because he doesn’t pitch enough games or unless he just goes on a tear and beats playoff caliber opponents.

Oh, ok.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Oh, ok.

Not sure how it’s hard to understand. My post earlier was about his pitching stats and how’s not leading the league in any counting stats except wild pitches. Someone else brought up that he didn’t lead the league in any hitting stats when he won AL MVP in 2021 (except 3B and IBB). I’ve been talking strictly about his not winning the CY.


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[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

The fact that he is the most unique talent the game has seen and when its said and done he will have a lot of "only player to..." type statements attributed to his name

I completely agree with what you said! He is likely the best (most unique) player ever (notice I did not say best career or stats ever). I am just trying to figure out what people think his prices do in the short term (the rest of this season). I am holding my Ohtani cards long term. I was just wondering what others thought the market had baked into current prices. He is clearly the best player in the game having an MVP year.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Not sure how it’s hard to understand. My post earlier was about his pitching stats and how’s not leading the league in any counting stats except wild pitches. Someone else brought up that he didn’t lead the league in any hitting stats when he won AL MVP in 2021 (except 3B and IBB). I’ve been talking strictly about his not winning the CY.


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I wasn't responding to you in the first instance. You should have probably inferred that from the fact that it wasn't you I quoted. My post you replied to had nothing to do with whatever you were talking about.

[kltomek]

I think there is still room after POSSIBLE trade, mvp, continually getting towards 50-60 HR, possible playoffs (heaven forbid if he continues in the playoffs with even more eyes on him), and of course the big one (in my opinion), the contract.


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[jmcca170]

There it is




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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by zworykin

I wasn't responding to you in the first instance. You should have probably inferred that from the fact that it wasn't you I quoted. My post you replied to had nothing to do with whatever you were talking about.

Actually you did quote one of my posts in your reply… but it’s cool. Sorry to be contrary. Not my intent.


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[tevans333]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I’m talking about pitching. He’s not a CY caliber pitcher this year at 7-5 with 3.5 ERA. He has a losing record against wining teams and a winning record against losing teams. As a hitter he’s amazing and very much worthy of the AL MVP. He will never win a CY because he doesn’t pitch enough games or unless he just goes on a tear and beats playoff caliber opponents.


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Not making a case for CY, he hasn't pitched well enough for it this year. And his last few outings have been rough, but wins and losses are tough to hang a hat on for a pitcher when you're on a team with no run support.

For example, two of his losses:
Mar 30 vs A's, 6 scoreless innings, lost 2-1
Jun 21 vs Dodgers, 7 innings 1 run, lost 2-0

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Actually you did quote one of my posts in your reply… but it’s cool. Sorry to be contrary. Not my intent.


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I quoted you AFTER you replied to my post that had nothing to do with you (which quoted someone else, and only someone else).

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by tevans333

Not making a case for CY, he hasn't pitched well enough for it this year. And his last few outings have been rough, but wins and losses are tough to hang a hat on for a pitcher when you're on a team with no run support.

For example, two of his losses:
Mar 30 vs A's, 6 scoreless innings, lost 2-1
Jun 21 vs Dodgers, 7 innings 1 run, lost 2-0

Take wins and losses out then. His ERA is 3.50. He’s given up 14 HR already and only gave up that many all of last year. His K/BB is at 3.02. He’s not even close to a CY pitcher. Great stuff? Yes. Potential CY winner, hard to tell because he throws less than 30 games a year. It’s possible but not this year.


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[Dhtcardmania]

Yes, this year so far he's not a Cy young caliber pitcher. Last year, he was. But there's still 2.5 months left in the season. Who knows, he could give up zero home runs and very few earned runs for the remainder of the season and lower his ERA to 2.75 from 3.50 and this would automatically launch him into Cy young talk, considering that he:

1) has the best BAA (batting average against) in the MLB
2) one of the best strike out rate per 9 innings in the MLB
3) among the highest strikeout rate

He just needs to cut down on the walks, which is what causes his ERA to balloon up very high since issuing walks put runners on base on which they can score or steal bases more easily without earning it.

[theshowandme]

Ohtani prices at the show next week will be very strong

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Take wins and losses out then. His ERA is 3.50. He’s given up 14 HR already and only gave up that many all of last year. His K/BB is at 3.02. He’s not even close to a CY pitcher. Great stuff? Yes. Potential CY winner, hard to tell because he throws less than 30 games a year. It’s possible but not this year.


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It doesn't matter what his stats are. And those are pretty respectable considering he has 35 home runs. He is the ONLY player pitching and hitting at the major league level.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Take wins and losses out then. His ERA is 3.50. He’s given up 14 HR already and only gave up that many all of last year. His K/BB is at 3.02. He’s not even close to a CY pitcher. Great stuff? Yes. Potential CY winner, hard to tell because he throws less than 30 games a year. It’s possible but not this year.


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He's had a bad few starts, he was an all star as a pitcher and is having the best offensive season in baseball next to acuna.

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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

It doesn't matter what his stats are.

this, this right here is what some folks here seem to not understand

[imbluestreak23]

I keep buying

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I keep buying

smart man

[Erick]

My favorite non flagship RC I own


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[jjrpilot]

Just saw this stat via Twitter/FB

From Hector Gomez

Babe Ruth: 159 home runs in his first 674 career games / W-L 35-18 in his first 455.0 career innings pitched.

Shohei Ohtani: 160 home runs in his first 674 career games / W-L 35-19 in his first 455.0 IP career innings pitched.


Crazy.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

It doesn't matter what his stats are. And those are pretty respectable considering he has 35 home runs. He is the ONLY player pitching and hitting at the major league level.

Not disputing that. Being a great hitter doesn’t make him a great pitcher and vice versa. If he were 11-1 with a sub 3 ERA and leading the AL in Ks, yet hitting only 15 HR and 45 RBI, .280 AVG, that wouldn’t make him an MVP candidate as a hitter either. It would make him a CY contender. One half of what he does doesn’t justify the other as of now. Is he the best player currently in the game? Yes because he’s a unicorn, and that’s awesome. It’s amazing to see a player do what he does on All Star levels. There are plenty of pitchers however that are All Stars that will never sniff a CY. It’s ok for him to be in MVPs and be a great pitcher without a CY. Sometimes it’s sounds like many here want him to get a CY because he hits too, versus getting an MVP because he pitches too.
I hope one day he does win both.


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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Just saw this stat via Twitter/FB

From Hector Gomez

Babe Ruth: 159 home runs in his first 674 career games / W-L 35-18 in his first 455.0 career innings pitched.

Shohei Ohtani: 160 home runs in his first 674 career games / W-L 35-19 in his first 455.0 IP career innings pitched.


Crazy.

This is a little misleading because Ruth wasn’t playing full time as a hitter until his trade to NY.
His first 6 seasons (391 games) he was predominantly a pitcher with Boston.


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[redauto5]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

For those closely following the market what is baked into current Ohtani prices? That he stays healthy and wins MVP? At this point I am wondering what would move his prices up more? 63HR? Being traded to a contender? Winning a WS after being traded to a contender? Thoughts?

Since you've stated you have low and mid end rookies, if I were you I'd be unloading maybe half that stuff now and put it into 1 or 2 stunners. Shohei stunners of course. I have sold off 90% of my bass, and while I was happy with the profit at the time bass has outperformed the good stuff since then. Good time to cash in some of those chips imo. Just list list list on eBay, you will be happy!

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[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Erick

My favorite non flagship RC I own


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That is SEXY!