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Old 12-17-2018, 05:04 PM   #1376
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Please elaborate on why I am still being mentioned about anything to do with what is going on here? I don’t understand why I have to justify myself for doing anything with my cards that I collected. If I choose to use IG as my platform to buy/sell/trade my cards that’s my business and not yours! You do not know me and for you to make personal assumptions about me on a public forum is not something I’m going to take lightly. Many people on the boards know me personally and can back my character. So I would appreciate you leaving me out of your conversations and leave your opinion to yourself.


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Old 12-17-2018, 05:04 PM   #1377
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LOL Beat me to it man. This is the thread that just keeps on giving.
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:07 PM   #1378
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You don't? If he's involved in altering cards (which it sure looks like he is) then he's a scumbag and I hope he suffers for it. I absolutely wish him ill will, financially or karmically.
Trimming is very serious but it's not worth it to me to wish him a miserable life. That kind of energy could karmically come back and bite me. You do you though.

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Old 12-17-2018, 05:14 PM   #1379
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He outed Ikethis. I just cant find the thread at the moment. Thats while other story!

The part that irks me is that you really have to be naive to think he transacted unknowingly. I mean you cant be this experienced and knowledgable about cards (high end cards) and not know/care to check condition sensitivity. Name me 1 person who spends 20-100k on a card and not want to check the condition when you get, trade it and get it back? Thats a tell tale sign that you may not be doing the trimming, but you sure as hell know its being done. Once you "knowingly" start to BST trimmed cards, you become apart of it.

Im still sticking to my earlier post. He had to stick up for Eric because Adam does not want to be blacklisted in the high end card community. He put his integrity up for trade against high end basketball cards. Thats what i stated before and stand by it. He had too much to lose by not seeing this through if he wanted to have future opportunity to buy high end at decent prices within this small circle of high end guys.

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EBITZ - again... good dude. Have done 6-7 deals w him. All high end. All easy.
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(Starman101) brought to the boards a discovery of a mislabeled Jordan Topps PSA card that BuyNiceCards was selling. Starman101 reached out to Eric apparently about the mislabel, and to this day according to him the card is still up for sale with the wrong info.

Originally I thought Adam didn't have much interaction with Eric, but his previous posts show he's been involved with high end card deals with Eric numerous times. No crime there, I don't think Adam is a trimmer or scammer, but with him downplaying his interactions with Eric, coupled with him hiding damning evidence from buybuymj....further casts a negative light on the guy. Further proving Adam is no small fish in the hobby pond, and behind the scenes had no desire to be a small fish. Let's face it, Eric doesn't deal with the nickel card cult. Again, no crime here, but showing again the disingenuous nature present.
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:23 PM   #1380
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Please elaborate on why I am still being mentioned about anything to do with what is going on here? I don’t understand why I have to justify myself for doing anything with my cards that I collected. If I choose to use IG as my platform to buy/sell/trade my cards that’s my business and not yours! You do not know me and for you to make personal assumptions about me on a public forum is not something I’m going to take lightly. Many people on the boards know me personally and can back my character. So I would appreciate you leaving me out of your conversations and leave your opinion to yourself.


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This has literally nothing to do with who you are. I don't care to know you, who likes you, or anything about your character. There are no friends to be had in this hobby and this thread is proof enough of that. It has to do with your cards.

Think about it like this - if you were a buyer, would you really not be skeptical of BGS graded exquisites for sale? No matter who the angel that is selling them is?
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:34 PM   #1381
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This has literally nothing to do with who you are. I don't care to know you, who likes you, or anything about your character. There are no friends to be had in this hobby and this thread is proof enough of that. It has to do with your cards.



Think about it like this - if you were a buyer, would you really not be skeptical of BGS graded exquisites for sale? No matter who the angel that is selling them is?

This right here is the proof I need from you to clarify your stupidity and lack of respect.

For one: I have never purchased a card from BNC

For two: For you to mention me in a tread I have nothing to with is ignorant

For three: What does any of this have to do with my cards!?

And last but not least why does anybody need to be skeptical of my cards?

It’s easy being an internet thug hiding behind a monitor and saying whatever you want without having any knowledge about me or my cards. I can see you lack the morals most educated people have. Just know if we ever meet in person I’ll address you for the man you are.


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Does somebody care to summarize the juice for somebody like me who hasn't been following? Seems like some members have been implicated but can't figure out who and don't feel like reading 50 pages lol.
- OP starts the thread and warns us about a handful of trimmed, or otherwise altered Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. This includes very clear pictures of the RPA numbered 87/99 (87 becomes very important later) as well as information regarding other copies. The thread was started 11-26-2018 keep that in mind too.

- Soon, a member using the handle "rookies" posts, which implicates Eric/BNC (BuyNiceCards) whose online handle on this forum is ebitz. The claim is that he moves the card (74/99) and it ends up with BNC, at which point it is also showing signs of being trimmed.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...81&postcount=9

- 27 says that he corresponded with BNC via email and BNC claims he acquired the questionable cards as part of a large collection.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=54

- rookies posts again and says he wants people to know that 74/99 is now trimmed and posts images of 74/99 before it was trimmed, clearly showing a damaged lower left edge. The images of 74 in his post show the card is not slabbed in a BGS case anymore at the time his photos were taken.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=26

- AlabamaSlamma posts screenshots of 74/99 graded as a BGS 9 and having sold in 2007.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59

Summary:
Card 74/99 sold as a BGS 9 in 2007, was .5 away from grading as a 9.5 as per the card's seller in 2007. This is good reasoning as to why the card was altered and how it received damage to its lower left edge. Card 74/99 then resurfaces as a 9 with a new BGS label and the damage to lower left edge clearly presented by rookies is gone.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...9&postcount=49
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59
https://buynicecards.com/product/200...to-99-bgs-9-10
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=69

- Card 87/99 is brought up, by a PBM using the handle DevinKurant, who asks 27guy to ask BNC about it. 27guy says BNC informed him that he acquired 87/99 in graded form at an earlier time. Keep this in mind, it becomes very important later.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=70
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=72

- starvela points out that 87/99 was graded along with the others that BNC has for sale. (Post #75) Review posts 77, 79 and 81.

- We now know that 74/99, in possession of BNC, is altered, but don't know who altered it. Up to this point the discussion looks bad for BNC, 27guy thinks BNC is not guilty of alteration and wants BNC and rookies to join the discussion, but is sticking his neck out for BNC and this continues throughout the thread.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=101

- NeedChapmans posts two quotes from another thread that clearly indicate past dealings and shaky ground between rookies and BNC. (Posts 155 and 158.) However, there is information on the Lebron RPA in this thread. In hindsight, a couple of these guys (absolutely not including NeedChapmans) knew what we're just finding more recently.
NeedChampans' post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=158
Older thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1001748

- Card 87/99 is mentioned again. 11-28-2018
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=174

- Again, 27guy is sticking his neck out for BNC and walking a very fine line. It's easy to think he is defending him, but you will all have to read the posts yourself and come to your own conclusions. Suggestions that there is a third party between rookies and BNC are made, but numerous members are not buying it. Note posts 211 and 213 while you're reading. 11-28-2018

- rookies returns to the thread and posts more information, says he bought 74/99 ungraded and that moving the card was a three person deal that involved him, BNC and a person named sohrob, user name: 2infnitynbeyond. According to rookies there was an agreement that if the card graded at least a 9, they owe him more money, he didn't get his money, read the post.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=214

- rookies posts again, says sohrob is the middle man connecting him and BNC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=226

- Nothing new after this for a bit, however someone outright defending BNC shows up, you can read starting here if you wish: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=280
During this time its also speculated that rookies got screwed in the 3 way deal, it appears he did get screwed and was understandably upset and decided to out the others, possibly unaware of the scam about to happen, not sure. Posts 292 and 299.

- 87/99 brought up AGAIN. 11-28-2018 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=351

- By this point DevinKurant is defending BNC as well, 27guy has chimed in again. SteveO makes this post (11-29-2018) which 27guy responds to a few posts down:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=392
"...drop a bomb..."

- Summary of everything that has happened up to post 417: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=417

- More discussion follows. Devin Kurant also shows up again and 27guy is still chiming in on behalf of BNC who still hasn't shown up.

- rookies returns with this post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=567
discussion follows, he posts again: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=623

- BNC finally shows up, this is a really long post, so I'll summarize for you. "Hey guys, let's just sweep this under the rug." Read it for yourself though and draw your own conclusions: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=641 A couple things you really want to keep in mind, he says that he bought 74/99 graded as a BGS 9, from sohrob...alrighty... and also bought 87/99 in the same collection in raw form and "...Graded it BGS 9 when I received it and I recall it being a clean card and didn’t appear trimmed to me." 11-30-2018

- More discussion, someone on social media claims to own 87/99, it's a bogus claim. 87/99 brought up yet again, post 701. Very important. 11-30-2018 The card has been glossed over by most, but one person has information that every one else is missing.

- Lots of discussion takes place, read it when you get the time. fifthdownsports had come in to talk shyt to people at some point, DevinKurant who was also just sh!t talking has been banned because he is a PBM, both of them defending BNC. Card 87/99 is brought up again in posts 826 and 829. The date is now 12-03-2018 More discussion and another guy who didn't even read the thread comes in to defend BNC...we're now at 900+ posts.

- More discussion worth reading, other people have spoken to BNC and did not come off feeling confident, he tried to brush it off again. Post 972. Moving on to post 978, a very important point is made and we're nearly up to 1000 posts.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=978
Again, card 87/99 is mentioned and the date is now 12-15-2018

- One of BNC's defenders chimes in again and says Eric (BNC) has no involvement in the card being trimmed. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=981

- Summary: 27guy is not doing himself any favors and has stepped in a big pile of poo on behalf of BNC. Rookies shows up a couple times to clear his name and further clarify things about his involvement. BNC himself shows up, shoo-shooing the entire thread with a filibuster. Some people show up to talk smack to every one on behalf of BNC, one of them is a PBM and is banned once more. Among them, the only one that maintains civility is 27guy.

Ok, take a breather, because someone is about to drop a BOMB.

- buybuymj shows up in the thread and posts dated screen shots of several super high end cards, including many Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. Among them is 87/99. The screen shot, dated back to 2013 shows clear edge wear on 87/99, but this screen shot also bears the logo of none other than BNC, BuyNiceCards. It is clearly NOT trimmed AT THE TIME THIS SCREEN SHOT WAS SAVED back in 2013. REMEMBER, BNC claimed that he acquired this card as part of a larger collection from sohrob (user ID 2infnitynbeyond) in 2014. The date is now 12-15-2018. At this point you should go back to the FIRST post and look at the images posted of card 87/99 and you will find that it is now TRIMMED as a BGS 9. BuybuyMJ claims he sent the information in this post to an active member on the forums, who did NOT post the information, but does not reveal the name.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1000

These following posts will get you up to speed, I suggest you take a look.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1001
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1004
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1005

- Members start to wonder who the member with the information in post 1000 is. 27guy reveals himself as the member who had this information. 12-16-2018 He subsequently gets scorched by members, it's understandable.

- Yet another person (soleternity) who has not read through the thread shows up and throws in red herrings and tries to belittle what has just been discovered. It doesn't work.

- BuybuyMJ shows up again and posts screen shots of the conversation he initiated with 27guy via eBay. This is why the dates are so important. As shown in the screen shots, the date this conversation was initiated was November 29th of 2018...the thread was started on the 26th of November, 27guy has had this information for some time. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1118

- 27guy claims he wasn't clear on what buybuyMJ was trying to state in the posts that follow buybuyMJ's contributions. A lot of people in the thread do not believe 27guy, a few do. I am not making the decision for anyone, you draw your own conclusions.

- rogermaris posts some important information, that BNC claimed he purchased 87/99 on eBay in raw form in 2013. As stated in the post, looks like the nail in the coffin. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1176 Soleternity continues to try to derail the thread, it doesn't work.

That's everything up to your post on page 52. If someone wants to double check this, please let me know if I missed anything or if I made any errors, thank you.
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- OP starts the thread and warns us about a handful of trimmed, or otherwise altered Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. This includes very clear pictures of the RPA numbered 87/99 (87 becomes very important later) as well as information regarding other copies. The thread was started 11-26-2018 keep that in mind too.

- Soon, a member using the handle "rookies" posts, which implicates Eric/BNC (BuyNiceCards) whose online handle on this forum is ebitz. The claim is that he moves the card (74/99) and it ends up with BNC, at which point it is also showing signs of being trimmed.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...81&postcount=9

- 27 says that he corresponded with BNC via email and BNC claims he acquired the questionable cards as part of a large collection.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=54

- rookies posts again and says he wants people to know that 74/99 is now trimmed and posts images of 74/99 before it was trimmed, clearly showing a damaged lower left edge. The images of 74 in his post show the card is not slabbed in a BGS case anymore at the time his photos were taken.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=26

- AlabamaSlamma posts screenshots of 74/99 graded as a BGS 9 and having sold in 2007.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59

Summary:
Card 74/99 sold as a BGS 9 in 2007, was .5 away from grading as a 9.5 as per the card's seller in 2007. This is good reasoning as to why the card was altered and how it received damage to its lower left edge. Card 74/99 then resurfaces as a 9 with a new BGS label and the damage to lower left edge clearly presented by rookies is gone.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...9&postcount=49
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59
https://buynicecards.com/product/200...to-99-bgs-9-10
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=69

- Card 87/99 is brought up, by a PBM using the handle DevinKurant, who asks 27guy to ask BNC about it. 27guy says BNC informed him that he acquired 87/99 in graded form at an earlier time. Keep this in mind, it becomes very important later.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=70
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=72

- starvela points out that 87/99 was graded along with the others that BNC has for sale. (Post #75) Review posts 77, 79 and 81.

- We now know that 74/99, in possession of BNC, is altered, but don't know who altered it. Up to this point the discussion looks bad for BNC, 27guy thinks BNC is not guilty of alteration and wants BNC and rookies to join the discussion, but is sticking his neck out for BNC and this continues throughout the thread.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=101

- NeedChapmans posts two quotes from another thread that clearly indicate past dealings and shaky ground between rookies and BNC. (Posts 155 and 158.) However, there is information on the Lebron RPA in this thread. In hindsight, a couple of these guys (absolutely not including NeedChapmans) knew what we're just finding more recently.
NeedChampans' post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=158
Older thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1001748

- Card 87/99 is mentioned again. 11-28-2018
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=174

- Again, 27guy is sticking his neck out for BNC and walking a very fine line. It's easy to think he is defending him, but you will all have to read the posts yourself and come to your own conclusions. Suggestions that there is a third party between rookies and BNC are made, but numerous members are not buying it. Note posts 211 and 213 while you're reading. 11-28-2018

- rookies returns to the thread and posts more information, says he bought 74/99 ungraded and that moving the card was a three person deal that involved him, BNC and a person named sohrob, user name: 2infnitynbeyond. According to rookies there was an agreement that if the card graded at least a 9, they owe him more money, he didn't get his money, read the post.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=214

- rookies posts again, says sohrob is the middle man connecting him and BNC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=226

- Nothing new after this for a bit, however someone outright defending BNC shows up, you can read starting here if you wish: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=280
During this time its also speculated that rookies got screwed in the 3 way deal, it appears he did get screwed and was understandably upset and decided to out the others, possibly unaware of the scam about to happen, not sure. Posts 292 and 299.

- 87/99 brought up AGAIN. 11-28-2018 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=351

- By this point DevinKurant is defending BNC as well, 27guy has chimed in again. SteveO makes this post (11-29-2018) which 27guy responds to a few posts down:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=392
"...drop a bomb..."

- Summary of everything that has happened up to post 417: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=417

- More discussion follows. Devin Kurant also shows up again and 27guy is still chiming in on behalf of BNC who still hasn't shown up.

- rookies returns with this post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=567
discussion follows, he posts again: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=623

- BNC finally shows up, this is a really long post, so I'll summarize for you. "Hey guys, let's just sweep this under the rug." Read it for yourself though and draw your own conclusions: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=641 A couple things you really want to keep in mind, he says that he bought 74/99 graded as a BGS 9, from sohrob...alrighty... and also bought 87/99 in the same collection in raw form and "...Graded it BGS 9 when I received it and I recall it being a clean card and didn’t appear trimmed to me." 11-30-2018

- More discussion, someone on social media claims to own 87/99, it's a bogus claim. 87/99 brought up yet again, post 701. Very important. 11-30-2018 The card has been glossed over by most, but one person has information that every one else is missing.

- Lots of discussion takes place, read it when you get the time. fifthdownsports had come in to talk shyt to people at some point, DevinKurant who was also just sh!t talking has been banned because he is a PBM, both of them defending BNC. Card 87/99 is brought up again in posts 826 and 829. The date is now 12-03-2018 More discussion and another guy who didn't even read the thread comes in to defend BNC...we're now at 900+ posts.

- More discussion worth reading, other people have spoken to BNC and did not come off feeling confident, he tried to brush it off again. Post 972. Moving on to post 978, a very important point is made and we're nearly up to 1000 posts.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=978
Again, card 87/99 is mentioned and the date is now 12-15-2018

- One of BNC's defenders chimes in again and says Eric (BNC) has no involvement in the card being trimmed. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=981

- Summary: 27guy is not doing himself any favors and has stepped in a big pile of poo on behalf of BNC. Rookies shows up a couple times to clear his name and further clarify things about his involvement. BNC himself shows up, shoo-shooing the entire thread with a filibuster. Some people show up to talk smack to every one on behalf of BNC, one of them is a PBM and is banned once more. Among them, the only one that maintains civility is 27guy.

Ok, take a breather, because someone is about to drop a BOMB.

- buybuymj shows up in the thread and posts dated screen shots of several super high end cards, including many Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. Among them is 87/99. The screen shot, dated back to 2013 shows clear edge wear on 87/99, but this screen shot also bears the logo of none other than BNC, BuyNiceCards. It is clearly NOT trimmed AT THE TIME THIS SCREEN SHOT WAS SAVED back in 2013. REMEMBER, BNC claimed that he acquired this card as part of a larger collection from sohrob (user ID 2infnitynbeyond) in 2016. The date is now 12-15-2018. At this point you should go back to the FIRST post and look at the images posted of card 87/99 and you will find that it is now TRIMMED as a BGS 9. BuybuyMJ claims he sent the information in this post to an active member on the forums, who did NOT post the information, but does not reveal the name.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1000

These following posts will get you up to speed, I suggest you take a look.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1001
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1004
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1005

- Members start to wonder who the member with the information in post 1000 is. 27guy reveals himself as the member who had this information. 12-16-2018 He subsequently gets scorched by members, it's understandable.

- Yet another person (soleternity) who has not read through the thread shows up and throws in red herrings and tries to belittle what has just been discovered. It doesn't work.

- BuybuyMJ shows up again and posts screen shots of the conversation he initiated with 27guy via eBay. This is why the dates are so important. As shown in the screen shots, the date this conversation was initiated was November 29th of 2018...the thread was started on the 26th of November, 27guy has had this information for some time. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1118

- 27guy claims he wasn't clear on what buybuyMJ was trying to state in the posts that follow buybuyMJ's contributions. A lot of people in the thread do not believe 27guy, a few do. I am not making the decision for anyone, you draw your own conclusions.

- rogermaris posts some important information, that BNC claimed he purchased 87/99 on eBay in raw form in 2013. As stated in the post, looks like the nail in the coffin. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1176 Soleternity continues to try to derail the thread, it doesn't work.

That's everything up to your post on page 52. If someone wants to double check this, please let me know if I missed anything or if I made any errors, thank you.
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I'm guessing you don't know Adam and admittedly neither do I outside of his posts on here but if there was ever someone who was blinded by being too nice, it's him.

All I'm saying is that, at this point we're just beating a dead horse and the pitchforks really need to be aimed at BNC, not Adam.
You're 100% wrong. He purposefully and knowingly withheld evidence that the board was looking for, that he ALSO was demanding[!!], and then refused to post because it would expose BNC even further as a scammer.

Then he amazingly played the 'lol azn guy speak bad engrish' card when it was made clear as day that trimming had gone on from the texts btw them and photos. Then posts private PMs!

He's done several deals with BNC by his own admission.
He's in league with a major, major scammer of top-dollar cards whether partly so or deeply so. His actions and words and lack of disclosure of the photos are all the proof any reasonable person would need.

Every day he's silent rather than revealing 100% of what he knew, when he knew it, and who else is involved in this biz dealings makes him more and more obviously complicit in this massive scandal to the community and fraud done to our fellow collectors.

For all we know, he's a Judas goat that lures unsuspecting high-end buyers to overpay for trimmed cards from BNC and has for years by vouching for him.

Lie down with dogs and you get fleas. He's sold his reputation for a few dollars or the hope of getting a few good cards.

Hope it was worth it.
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Thanks man, appreciate it. The notes aren't too long, right? Nothing needs to be trimmed?


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Keep being a child and slandering a person that you do not know. It must be nice to be ignorant as you are and not give a #@#@#@#@ about somebody’s reputation and belongings which whom had nothing to do with anything going on here. I need to calm down and take the high road but you keep being a weasel and do you!



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- OP starts the thread and warns us about a handful of trimmed, or otherwise altered Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. This includes very clear pictures of the RPA numbered 87/99 (87 becomes very important later) as well as information regarding other copies. The thread was started 11-26-2018 keep that in mind too.

- Soon, a member using the handle "rookies" posts, which implicates Eric/BNC (BuyNiceCards) whose online handle on this forum is ebitz. The claim is that he moves the card (74/99) and it ends up with BNC, at which point it is also showing signs of being trimmed.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...81&postcount=9

- 27 says that he corresponded with BNC via email and BNC claims he acquired the questionable cards as part of a large collection.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=54

- rookies posts again and says he wants people to know that 74/99 is now trimmed and posts images of 74/99 before it was trimmed, clearly showing a damaged lower left edge. The images of 74 in his post show the card is not slabbed in a BGS case anymore at the time his photos were taken.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=26

- AlabamaSlamma posts screenshots of 74/99 graded as a BGS 9 and having sold in 2007.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59

Summary:
Card 74/99 sold as a BGS 9 in 2007, was .5 away from grading as a 9.5 as per the card's seller in 2007. This is good reasoning as to why the card was altered and how it received damage to its lower left edge. Card 74/99 then resurfaces as a 9 with a new BGS label and the damage to lower left edge clearly presented by rookies is gone.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...9&postcount=49
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59
https://buynicecards.com/product/200...to-99-bgs-9-10
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=69

- Card 87/99 is brought up, by a PBM using the handle DevinKurant, who asks 27guy to ask BNC about it. 27guy says BNC informed him that he acquired 87/99 in graded form at an earlier time. Keep this in mind, it becomes very important later.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=70
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=72

- starvela points out that 87/99 was graded along with the others that BNC has for sale. (Post #75) Review posts 77, 79 and 81.

- We now know that 74/99, in possession of BNC, is altered, but don't know who altered it. Up to this point the discussion looks bad for BNC, 27guy thinks BNC is not guilty of alteration and wants BNC and rookies to join the discussion, but is sticking his neck out for BNC and this continues throughout the thread.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=101

- NeedChapmans posts two quotes from another thread that clearly indicate past dealings and shaky ground between rookies and BNC. (Posts 155 and 158.) However, there is information on the Lebron RPA in this thread. In hindsight, a couple of these guys (absolutely not including NeedChapmans) knew what we're just finding more recently.
NeedChampans' post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=158
Older thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1001748

- Card 87/99 is mentioned again. 11-28-2018
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=174

- Again, 27guy is sticking his neck out for BNC and walking a very fine line. It's easy to think he is defending him, but you will all have to read the posts yourself and come to your own conclusions. Suggestions that there is a third party between rookies and BNC are made, but numerous members are not buying it. Note posts 211 and 213 while you're reading. 11-28-2018

- rookies returns to the thread and posts more information, says he bought 74/99 ungraded and that moving the card was a three person deal that involved him, BNC and a person named sohrob, user name: 2infnitynbeyond. According to rookies there was an agreement that if the card graded at least a 9, they owe him more money, he didn't get his money, read the post.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=214

- rookies posts again, says sohrob is the middle man connecting him and BNC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=226

- Nothing new after this for a bit, however someone outright defending BNC shows up, you can read starting here if you wish: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=280
During this time its also speculated that rookies got screwed in the 3 way deal, it appears he did get screwed and was understandably upset and decided to out the others, possibly unaware of the scam about to happen, not sure. Posts 292 and 299.

- 87/99 brought up AGAIN. 11-28-2018 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=351

- By this point DevinKurant is defending BNC as well, 27guy has chimed in again. SteveO makes this post (11-29-2018) which 27guy responds to a few posts down:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=392
"...drop a bomb..."

- Summary of everything that has happened up to post 417: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=417

- More discussion follows. Devin Kurant also shows up again and 27guy is still chiming in on behalf of BNC who still hasn't shown up.

- rookies returns with this post: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=567
discussion follows, he posts again: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=623

- BNC finally shows up, this is a really long post, so I'll summarize for you. "Hey guys, let's just sweep this under the rug." Read it for yourself though and draw your own conclusions: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=641 A couple things you really want to keep in mind, he says that he bought 74/99 graded as a BGS 9, from sohrob...alrighty... and also bought 87/99 in the same collection in raw form and "...Graded it BGS 9 when I received it and I recall it being a clean card and didn’t appear trimmed to me." 11-30-2018

- More discussion, someone on social media claims to own 87/99, it's a bogus claim. 87/99 brought up yet again, post 701. Very important. 11-30-2018 The card has been glossed over by most, but one person has information that every one else is missing.

- Lots of discussion takes place, read it when you get the time. fifthdownsports had come in to talk shyt to people at some point, DevinKurant who was also just sh!t talking has been banned because he is a PBM, both of them defending BNC. Card 87/99 is brought up again in posts 826 and 829. The date is now 12-03-2018 More discussion and another guy who didn't even read the thread comes in to defend BNC...we're now at 900+ posts.

- More discussion worth reading, other people have spoken to BNC and did not come off feeling confident, he tried to brush it off again. Post 972. Moving on to post 978, a very important point is made and we're nearly up to 1000 posts.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=978
Again, card 87/99 is mentioned and the date is now 12-15-2018

- One of BNC's defenders chimes in again and says Eric (BNC) has no involvement in the card being trimmed. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=981

- Summary: 27guy is not doing himself any favors and has stepped in a big pile of poo on behalf of BNC. Rookies shows up a couple times to clear his name and further clarify things about his involvement. BNC himself shows up, shoo-shooing the entire thread with a filibuster. Some people show up to talk smack to every one on behalf of BNC, one of them is a PBM and is banned once more. Among them, the only one that maintains civility is 27guy.

Ok, take a breather, because someone is about to drop a BOMB.

- buybuymj shows up in the thread and posts dated screen shots of several super high end cards, including many Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. Among them is 87/99. The screen shot, dated back to 2013 shows clear edge wear on 87/99, but this screen shot also bears the logo of none other than BNC, BuyNiceCards. It is clearly NOT trimmed AT THE TIME THIS SCREEN SHOT WAS SAVED back in 2013. REMEMBER, BNC claimed that he acquired this card as part of a larger collection from sohrob (user ID 2infnitynbeyond) in 2016. The date is now 12-15-2018. At this point you should go back to the FIRST post and look at the images posted of card 87/99 and you will find that it is now TRIMMED as a BGS 9. BuybuyMJ claims he sent the information in this post to an active member on the forums, who did NOT post the information, but does not reveal the name.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1000

These following posts will get you up to speed, I suggest you take a look.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1001
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1004
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1005

- Members start to wonder who the member with the information in post 1000 is. 27guy reveals himself as the member who had this information. 12-16-2018 He subsequently gets scorched by members, it's understandable.

- Yet another person (soleternity) who has not read through the thread shows up and throws in red herrings and tries to belittle what has just been discovered. It doesn't work.

- BuybuyMJ shows up again and posts screen shots of the conversation he initiated with 27guy via eBay. This is why the dates are so important. As shown in the screen shots, the date this conversation was initiated was November 29th of 2018...the thread was started on the 26th of November, 27guy has had this information for some time. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1118

- 27guy claims he wasn't clear on what buybuyMJ was trying to state in the posts that follow buybuyMJ's contributions. A lot of people in the thread do not believe 27guy, a few do. I am not making the decision for anyone, you draw your own conclusions.

- rogermaris posts some important information, that BNC claimed he purchased 87/99 on eBay in raw form in 2013. As stated in the post, looks like the nail in the coffin. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1176 Soleternity continues to try to derail the thread, it doesn't work.

That's everything up to your post on page 52. If someone wants to double check this, please let me know if I missed anything or if I made any errors, thank you.
This is a pretty spot on summary. Well done.
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i *think* it is(was?) believed that "bballcards4days" is a user name of one of the trimmers
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I am curious too as to what bballcard4days has do with this plot now too?
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Thanks man, appreciate it. The notes aren't too long, right? Nothing needs to be trimmed?


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i *think* it is(was?) believed that "bballcards4days" is a user name of one of the trimmers
That's not true.

I made the observation that he is now selling his high end exquisites on instagram and not made a peep in this thread and he got very extremely mad that I said that.
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That's not true.

I made the observation that he is now selling his high end exquisites on instagram and not made a peep in this thread and he got very extremely mad that I said that.
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That's not true.

I made the observation that he is now selling his high end exquisites on instagram and not made a peep in this thread and he got very extremely mad that I said that.
Yup. Didn't mention him by name, and he came in here guns-a-blazin'! Apparently the very suggestion that other LBJ Exquisites may have passed through the same hair salon was much more upsetting to him than the ACTUAL trimming that has been proven in this thread (which didn't bother him enough to merit any comment in this thread, prior to feeling somehow directly implicated even though he was never mentioned specifically). Strange.
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Yup. Didn't mention him by name, and he came in here guns-a-blazin'! Apparently the very suggestion that other LBJ Exquisites may have passed through the same hair salon was much more upsetting to him than the ACTUAL trimming that has been proven in this thread (which didn't bother him enough to merit any comment in this thread, prior to feeling somehow directly implicated even though he was never mentioned specifically). Strange.
I actually did in a later post. I wanted him to come here and say something, anything. I did not want him to have a meltdown over it but what can you do.
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